SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Good price for a F430 (New or Used)
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no doubt, the 355 with a tubi is the 2nd best sounding car, next to the CGT, ofcorse. but the reality is F-cars holds it value except for the 550-575 and soon to be 599 which by the way looks like a nicer Z06(not to get me wrong it's an incredible car). i think dealers are doing a great job upholding the market price. supply and demand you go do the numbers. so those who are bickering on the price, just don't buy one for about 6 years when the prices is somewhere near what you want it to be. it's obviously not the car for you.
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Agree on the sound. I had a 355 spider w/Tubi that sounded awesome. Unfortunately sound and looks are all that car had going for it. The CS is another one that sounds great even in stock form. I have heard some great sounding Murcies as well. After a while though sound is only a part of it and although my SL65 really has no sound to speak of I am still digging the car. Oh, I can't forget about the Vanquish. That thing has a sweet tune!
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Originally Posted by Carnut
I have seen you on the Ferrarichat board and like you have been around Ferraris for over 20 years. I do question some of what you have said. I have yet to see even a 1999 360 coupe (MSRP low 140's in gearshift) sell for 50% of its MSRP. Some early spiders are still getting close to MSRP. I have a moded SL55 (flywheel and ecu done by Oliver) with 19's, and unless the 430 is being driven by my 87 year old mother my SL55 is not going to run circles around it. I have owned in the last 5 years alone over 90 different cars, most of them moded to extremes, I have even tried having the steering systems ripped out about rebuilt to try a duplicate the driver feedback you get from a modern Ferrari. I like lambos (to look at) they feel dead like most AWD cars feel to me. I drive Ferraris not because they are the best performing car, or that I have any need to impress anyone (since I usually drive my cars as the sun comes up and the roads are empty so I can truly enjoy the drive), I drive Ferraris because nothing else I have ever driven can match the connection to the car I have with them while driving. I'm not talking about 0-60 (I can teach a chip to push a gas pedal and go straight. I'm talking about L turns at 65 mph and trying to keep the car planted as you swing into the next turn. I am lucky enough to have roads around here like that. I love cars, but I love to drive even more.
A Lotus Elise will give you as much, if not more road feel than a modern Ferrari. Gallardos have great feel, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Every car 'feels' different and its up to us to adapt to the engineering for that car.
PA has some great back roads...I love driving there.
Maybe you are a better driver than all the Fcar guys I know, but I have left them for dead in the SL55....on windy roads, straights and the track. No contest...you can put a 360CS on that kill list as well........on a canyon road.
Over modding and trying to re-engineer what some pretty clever people have worked years on just doesn't work, and its false economy....but best of luck.
I think out the door '99 360s were 160+. While they may not be 50% of MSRP, they can be had for around $100K....while 20 year old 328s are selling for close to what they sold for new, or within 10-20%. My point is that the new cars are way overproduced, bling, bling items and that long term these are just used cars and nothing more, and they will depreciate like bricks. Case in point.........550s sold for $250K and they can be bought for 100-130K. Daytonas, while not fetching what they did 10 years ago are still 150-250K....they sold for 20K new.
Frankly, its your money and do what you will.........its your money. This just a place for opinions. Enjoy your cars and be safe.
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Originally Posted by Carnut
I have never bought a car to make money on, in fact with the exception of the Ferrari's I've owned in the last four years I've probably lost over 120k on switching cars. Funny thing is I could care less, I just love cars.
Originally Posted by jl88
True car aficionado.
It's obvious when someone with true wealth posts (see above) compared to some tool pimping his parent's cars (half the tards on MBworld).
It's obvious when someone with true wealth posts (see above) compared to some tool pimping his parent's cars (half the tards on MBworld).
Trust me.
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Originally Posted by Beleriand
Wait a second . . . he is is someone with "true wealth" because he doesn't care how much he has lost by switching cars???? Man, that sounds like total BS to me. True wealth means you MAKE MORE THAN YOU SPEND. Not that you don't give a sh*t about how much you have lost. I'd say that guy is either a trust fund baby or won the lotto - he didn't earn that money himself or he would care more. I have NEVER met anyone with "true wealth" who wasn't extremely conscious of every penny and NEVER - absolutely NEVER - make bad deals simply because they "could care less." That is privilege talking - not wealth my man.
Trust me.
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For example: Paris Hilton is wealthy.
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Originally Posted by Beleriand
Wait a second . . . he is is someone with "true wealth" because he doesn't care how much he has lost by switching cars???? Man, that sounds like total BS to me. True wealth means you MAKE MORE THAN YOU SPEND. Not that you don't give a sh*t about how much you have lost. I'd say that guy is either a trust fund baby or won the lotto - he didn't earn that money himself or he would care more. I have NEVER met anyone with "true wealth" who wasn't extremely conscious of every penny and NEVER - absolutely NEVER - make bad deals simply because they "could care less." That is privilege talking - not wealth my man.
Trust me.
Trust me.
Anyway....I think this was supposed to be about 430 prices. Anything over MSRP is a rip. Don't do it! You are wasting your money.
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I wish I was, would have saved me all these 14 hour days the last 30 years. I never claimed I was rich, someone else on here did that for me. As for my purchases, cars are my addiction, additions can be costly.
Originally Posted by Beleriand
Wait a second . . . he is is someone with "true wealth" because he doesn't care how much he has lost by switching cars???? Man, that sounds like total BS to me. True wealth means you MAKE MORE THAN YOU SPEND. Not that you don't give a sh*t about how much you have lost. I'd say that guy is either a trust fund baby or won the lotto - he didn't earn that money himself or he would care more. I have NEVER met anyone with "true wealth" who wasn't extremely conscious of every penny and NEVER - absolutely NEVER - make bad deals simply because they "could care less." That is privilege talking - not wealth my man.
Trust me.
Trust me.
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i read in a survey that 90% of millionaires have never paid over $35,000 for a car.. while on the other hand, I think it was about 95% of people driving a car valued over $35,000 aren't millionares.. 
Originally Posted by Carnut
I wish I was, would have saved me all these 14 hour days the last 30 years. I never claimed I was rich, someone else on here did that for me. As for my purchases, cars are my addiction, additions can be costly.
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Originally Posted by IngenereAMG
I think out the door '99 360s were 160+. While they may not be 50% of MSRP, they can be had for around $100K....while 20 year old 328s are selling for close to what they sold for new, or within 10-20%. My point is that the new cars are way overproduced, bling, bling items and that long term these are just used cars and nothing more, and they will depreciate like bricks. Case in point.........550s sold for $250K and they can be bought for 100-130K. Daytonas, while not fetching what they did 10 years ago are still 150-250K....they sold for 20K new.
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Originally Posted by jl88
I'm going to derail this thread real quick. I'm not arguing whether or not Carnut EARNED his money or not. I'm pointing out that he can spend money freely without thinking about the financial reprecussions, unlike the rest of us. That is wealth. Whether you want to insert adjectives such as spoiled, self-made, or privileged, that's up to you. Doesn't change the fact that the guy has money up the ***.
For example: Paris Hilton is wealthy.
For example: Paris Hilton is wealthy.
Wealth = time. Wealth means that you have enough in reserve so that you don't have to work. If you have enough money to live for a year without working then you are 1-year wealthy. The object of "wealth" is to get enough reserve so that you never have to work again. Only then are you truly wealthy.
Rich = money. Rich means you have a lot of disposable income month-to-month. You can make major purchases because you have a high income level but if that income stream were to fail, you would not be able to sustain your lifestyle. There are many rich people who live paycheck-to-paycheck. They are not wealthy.
Nobody ever gets wealthy by spending frivolously. There are plenty of rich people who can buy whatever they want. It doesn't make them wealthy.
I was not criticising you Carnut. You never made any claims. I am not out to bag on anyone. I just think it is a distinction worth making that is often missed.
I will shut-up about it now.
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What were Daytonas and 308s fetching when they were 10 years old, respectively?
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This is one of the better threads I have read on this board. 430 is smoking hot ride. especially the spyder. Ian, I hope you get this fine machine. It will be well worth it! Good luck to you! 
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I personally will choose G car all the way. They are much better looking (specially G spider), more exotic, slightly more reliable. I see F car all the time in OC, but G cars are rare. Plus I won't want to take salesmans crap, if I am going to pay big dollars. It's like going to a club to let the low life bouncer pick you.
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Originally Posted by OUTLAW///M3 SMG
This is one of the better threads I have read on this board. 430 is smoking hot ride. especially the spyder. Ian, I hope you get this fine machine. It will be well worth it! Good luck to you!
I agree... I'm loving (and appreciating) all the input from everyone. Now someone please tell me where I can find one for MSRP! LOL.
~ Ian
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Originally Posted by eride
no doubt, the 355 with a tubi is the 2nd best sounding car, next to the CGT, ofcorse. but the reality is F-cars holds it value except for the 550-575 and soon to be 599 which by the way looks like a nicer Z06(not to get me wrong it's an incredible car). i think dealers are doing a great job upholding the market price. supply and demand you go do the numbers. so those who are bickering on the price, just don't buy one for about 6 years when the prices is somewhere near what you want it to be. it's obviously not the car for you.
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Originally Posted by IanSL55
Thanks... I'm turning 40 in a month so I like to think I'm embracing my mid-life crisis.
I agree... I'm loving (and appreciating) all the input from everyone. Now someone please tell me where I can find one for MSRP! LOL.
~ Ian
I agree... I'm loving (and appreciating) all the input from everyone. Now someone please tell me where I can find one for MSRP! LOL.
~ Ian
You would actually be better off indulging that ML crisis with a Gallardo. Better looking. Better diving. More exotic...........and way undervalued for what you get. Low mile '04s can be had for 120-130. Get the G and put $70K in your pocket.
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Originally Posted by IngenereAMG
Ian:
You would actually be better off indulging that ML crisis with a Gallardo. Better looking. Better diving. More exotic...........and way undervalued for what you get. Low mile '04s can be had for 120-130. Get the G and put $70K in your pocket.
You would actually be better off indulging that ML crisis with a Gallardo. Better looking. Better diving. More exotic...........and way undervalued for what you get. Low mile '04s can be had for 120-130. Get the G and put $70K in your pocket.
~Ian
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Originally Posted by IanSL55
It's not that I don't like the Gallardo... I'm just in love with Ferrari. Something I've wanted to own for some time now...
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Well my 430 coupe went to Red10, meaning the factory will accept no changes at this point. Should be arriving sometime between June 15 and the end of June. I'll post some pictures when it gets here.
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Originally Posted by Carnut
Well my 430 coupe went to Red10, meaning the factory will accept no changes at this point. Should be arriving sometime between June 15 and the end of June. I'll post some pictures when it gets here.
Whats the color combo?
~ Ian
