NY_SG

I was wondering, I heard the new 997 turbo are really really really quick. Is it true? Anyone raced it or tested it before yet?

Just wondering.

//AMG55lover

Yes, it is really quick. With Tiptronic even faster as the manual (3,7 s/3,9 s 0-100km/h). And probably there will be an Turbo S as well in the near future!

Mean-Benz

And think: 0-100 km/h (62 mph) is measured in Europe, 0-96 km/h (60 mph) - that makes the Turbo even quicker (well, only in numbers...)!

Some guys over at the Rennteam Porsche forum say that the Turbo S will have around 520 PS, just like the GT2 which is expected to come with 530 PS.

Imagine:
480 PS, 620-680 Nm = 3.7/3.9 sec 0-100 km/h
in comparison to
520 PS, expected 650-over 700 Nm = 3.4/3.6 sec =-100 km/h

GMBALL

997 TURBO:
0-50km/h 1.3sec.
0-100km/h 3.7sec.
0-130km/h 5.9sec.
0-160km/h 8.0sec.
0-210km/h 14.2sec.
0-240km/h 19.6sec.
0-260km/h 25.8sec.

1/4 mile >> 11.3sec./193km/h
0-1000m >> 21.5sec./248km/h

Top Speed is 319km/h on 6th gear at 6700rpm.
Now can someone post SL65/Ferrari F430 times for comparison?

Le Chef

It lacks the visceral experience. The throttle is not as sharp as on the N/A models, probably due to a tiny bit of turbo lag. It is also too quiet with the turbo's masking the engine noise. And it still understeers, due to the awd when you would like it to be more neutral, particularly in slowish 2nd and 3rd gear corners. Other than that it might get some respect from M3 owners (I'm an optimist) who recognize it and realise they don't stand a chance.

Juice it

Where did your times come from? All my mags have it way slower than that. That 1/4 time is lower than everything in its class and in the shootouts the Porsche was slower than the Ford GT, F430 etc and they don't do anywhere near an 11.3.

Carl Lassiter

I agree that is an unusually low 1/4 mile time. Maybe it was a short 1/4 mile! It's usually high 11s at best. Don't know where he got them, but I know Autocar reported it at 19.6 secs to 150mph compared to the F430 they tested at 21.5secs.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/RoadTest_Summary.asp?RT=221373

Evo compared the 997TT to the Gallardo and the P-car was significantly quicker than the revised Gallardo up to 120mph when the Gallardo became faster, due to aerodynamics, NA nature and extra 41bhp. None of the cars layed down amazing figures but the Bentley GT was tested as a touring alternative and was laughably off the pace being c.8secs slower to 150mph while the track isn't worth mentioning. The purpose was to test GT vs supercar vs all rounder.

Scruffyone

It is an amazing machine to drive, but you cannot compare it to your E55. My 997TT is fully broken in now and I will soon start exploring it's limits. The turbo lag is still there and the exhaust note is very mellow. The power comes on with a whoosh vs the kick in the pants of the 55 SC Benz's. The power also comes on starting at 1900 rpm too.

TA-9FF

I still think Porsche should have made not only the doors aluminum, but the roof and hood as well. (If not use CF)

What's up with cars getting heavier and heavier??? I understand the 997 turbo weighs slightly less than the 996 turbo, but I think in comparison to the 993 turbo........the 997 is still heavier?

SLK55R

good magazine comparison between Z06, 997 turbo, and F430 this month.
1.f430
2. 997 turbo
3. z06

z06 beat out the f430 and 997turbo in terms of pure speed. f430 seemed to be the best handling car.

cte430

I spent about an hour with it (posted on the E55 forum a couple of weeks ago) and I guess I was a little more impressed than you were. I was expecting a heavy, fat, pig LOL. (maybe that was wrong and had low expectations?) I was pleasantly surprised with how it handled on some very tight roads. I also didn't notice much turbo lag but driving a car for the first time is very hard (at least for me) to really objectively see what a car can do. I think I'd be happy to own one though!

Just re-read your post again. "...respect from M3 owners"!! Boy, you really hate it, huh?!

cte430

Congrats! what colors you get? Any pics?

TA-9FF

An M3 isn't all that. It's a good track car at best, but HORRIBLE to drive around town and do daily driving stuff. A 911 turbo is an everyday, all weather supercar, and far more useable than any M3.

Besides who in their right mind would take a stock M3 over a stock 997 turbo???

2MANYCARS

I wonder if the 997 Turbo would come in S form and rear wheel drive instead of AWD.... AWD is great, but I've got too many AWD cars, time to have some RWD fun.

Definitely 997 trubo over the M3, but I would take the Z4M over the M3.

Le Chef

You'll excuse the cynicism I'm sure when I tell you that 997 owners get more sh8t from M3 owners who think they can spank a 997 than any other type of car owner. So it wasn't meant to mean that an M3 was an alternative to the 997TT by any means - in fact quite the opposite.

Don't get me wrong the 997TT is a phenomenal car in terms of performance in a straight line. It's just that it lacks that final "nth" you would expect/want from experience with a 997 Coupe. By comparison it's a little ponderous, which probably means I really should be driving a GT3...

cte430

You probably would be happier with a GT3. I'm asking myself that same question. I just don't know if the GT3 is "civilized" enough for mostly a car that will mostly be used on the street. I drove my 997S 500 miles yesterday to go to Boston and back. It was as no less comfortable than my E55 was on similiar trips. Not sure if you could do that in a GT3.

I don't doubt the GT3 as being more of a scalpel - I just don't know if it's too much of a good thing. How much time have you spent driving a TT? do you own one?

BTW, saw the GT3 is now on the porsche webpage under build, but it's only listed - you can't actually spec it out yet.

Scruffyone

Look here.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....2&postcount=17

This pic was taken while I was attending the AMG Challenge earlier this week.

Scruffyone

Plan on standing in a long line for the GT3. My dealers sold out for over a year.

Scruffyone

Sounds like the GT2. Get yourself in big trouble with that one.


Want somethin fast and civilized? RWD a must? Get a Caymen and send it to RUF for a 3.8 conversion.

Le Chef

I've taken the dealer's out twice now for hour long drives over roads I know well. Since I'm on my 2nd 997 the ability to adjust is not as great as if you were coming from a totally different car (like an SL65 for instance). It's easier to compare, hence my criticism about handling, steering and noise, and praise for straightline performance.

I would think that someone coming from an AMG SL would find the experience much harder to judge without an extended drive, just because the cars really are so totally different

///MB

Congrats on the 997tt Scruffyone. I'm looking into one of those as well for our next car. I have a question about the turbo lag. Have you ever driven a 600 with the V12tt, either S/CL/SL? If so, how would you compare the turbo lag between the two? I hear a lot of ppl complaining about the 997 turbo still being very laggy. Our S600 seems to pull really hard even from a stop and I've never driven a 911 turbo, so I don't know how it feels.

If anyone else has driven the two, let me know what you think.

Thanks.

NY_SG

Wow big thread didn't know it turned into a friendly one.

So whats the purpose of buying benz if porsche 997 turbo kicks everything out there?

Ain't that funny? hmm Maybe coz benz is alot more comfortable then porsche or something?

I just sold my E55 silver. Carless I took my family's GL450 at the moment till I get a car I guess. Debating either a used SL55 or a new E63 or CLS 63 what do you guys think?

Scruffyone

I have never driven the 600s but I can tell you that the power delivery comes on with a quick whoosh and keeps coming. Just rowing through the gears in a mildly sporty manner will have you into the triple digits faster than you think. It's not as crisp as a quick stomp on the loud pedal in my K2 SL55, or even a NA engine and that's OK with me. The 997TT is far more capeable as a carving car that the SL is and a sharp power burst on the twisties is not a good thing. Thinking of getting the tiptronic? The lag may not be an issue then.

Scruffyone

You buy am AMG Benz for the power, sportyness, beauty, sensuality, and luxury. They also make for great every day drivers too.

SL Boy

Having driven both a 996 Turbo and 996 GT3 I decided to order a 997 GT3. There seemed to me relatively little difference between the two 996's on the road. The GT3 handled as well as the Turbo on the less than perfect road surfaces we have in the UK and there is every indication from the numerous road test reports that the 997 GT3 will be even better.

I preferred the driving experience in the GT3, much more involving than the Turbo and a much greater contrast to my SL55.