SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Is m6 faster than SL55?
12-17-2006, 12:50 AM
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I have both an M5 and I am on my second SL55.
The M is not that complicated. Once you program the M button for the settings you want, you just push the one button, and that is it. You do not have to program it everytime, just once, ever.
I think it is a close race, giving the edge to the M. It redlines at 8200 RPM, so there is less shifting. Mine seems to pull rather hard, and I love it.
I do know that the M out-handles the SL easily.
The comfort seats are the most comfy seats out of any car I have ever been in.
The M is not that complicated. Once you program the M button for the settings you want, you just push the one button, and that is it. You do not have to program it everytime, just once, ever.
I think it is a close race, giving the edge to the M. It redlines at 8200 RPM, so there is less shifting. Mine seems to pull rather hard, and I love it.
I do know that the M out-handles the SL easily.
The comfort seats are the most comfy seats out of any car I have ever been in.
12-17-2006, 12:21 PM
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M6 Vs SL55
The Speed channel had a special on the M6. Hence, the Max. delimited speed for the M6 is 196-198. The driver was a former European World Champion Driver. Thus, with camera inside, they showed the M6 doing 196 in seventh gear on the German Autobahn. To actually see this vehicle doing this speed was outrageous! You just wish that you were driving the car instead. Even if you don't like the M6, have to respect it after seeing this video.
As for the SL55. This car has stealth-like characteristics! Sometimes, you're going faster than what it feels. Hence, anyone who knows, this is a Mercedes characteristic. Notwithstanding, the SL55's official delimited top speed is 202mph. If you purchase one with the standard package, the 1st stage top speed is 155mph. The 2nd stage performance package top speed is 186mph. Then, finally, to reiterate, the Max. delimited (without any limiter) top speed is 202mph.
As for the 1/4 times, the SL55 is .2 seconds quicker than the M6/M5. Hence, if anyone has seen Formula 1 racing before, you know that 2/10 of second is a considerable distance.
Finally, for those wondering what is the delimited top speed for the SL65. 215-217 mph. However, all three vehicles are outstanding choices, but in a street race, it vastly depends on the drivers especially in the case of the M6!
Hopefully, this settles the issue by examining the facts not mere opinions!
As for the SL55. This car has stealth-like characteristics! Sometimes, you're going faster than what it feels. Hence, anyone who knows, this is a Mercedes characteristic. Notwithstanding, the SL55's official delimited top speed is 202mph. If you purchase one with the standard package, the 1st stage top speed is 155mph. The 2nd stage performance package top speed is 186mph. Then, finally, to reiterate, the Max. delimited (without any limiter) top speed is 202mph.
As for the 1/4 times, the SL55 is .2 seconds quicker than the M6/M5. Hence, if anyone has seen Formula 1 racing before, you know that 2/10 of second is a considerable distance.
Finally, for those wondering what is the delimited top speed for the SL65. 215-217 mph. However, all three vehicles are outstanding choices, but in a street race, it vastly depends on the drivers especially in the case of the M6!
Hopefully, this settles the issue by examining the facts not mere opinions!
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12-17-2006, 12:43 PM
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An SL55 K2 is faster than a stock M5. I've done that. And yes, the driver did fumble with the buttons on his third attempt. He only had 700 miles on it and it was new to him.
12-17-2006, 01:55 PM
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They activate it after 1200 miles service, plus the engine must have way more miles to properly break in the engine.
12-17-2006, 02:44 PM
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Yes, the M's power is unleashed after the 1200 Mile service. Not to mention the engine is more broken in.
My M seems to burn too much oil though. I go through a quart every 1K!
My M seems to burn too much oil though. I go through a quart every 1K!
12-17-2006, 04:40 PM
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There is a video on the E55 forum of Kleemann K4 E55 VS M6. The E55 pretty much dominated the M6 from 0 to around 120mph (by as much as 5 cars), but at around 130mph the M6 was overtaking it. I would say SL55 K2 would be safe until 100-110mph or so....
12-21-2006, 12:17 AM
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Never knew SL55 weights less than M6!!!
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02) There's another time of
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02) which is also faster than M6! wiered. I thought M6 is around 8 mins FLAT on the ring.
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02) There's another time of
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02) which is also faster than M6! wiered. I thought M6 is around 8 mins FLAT on the ring.
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
12-21-2006, 12:58 AM
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Never knew SL55 weights less than M6!!!
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02) There's another time of
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02) which is also faster than M6! wiered. I thought M6 is around 8 mins FLAT on the ring.
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
8:12 --- 150.732 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG, 476 PS/1651 kg (sport auto 04/02) There's another time of
8:06 --- 152.592 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (sport auto 04/02) which is also faster than M6! wiered. I thought M6 is around 8 mins FLAT on the ring.
8:09 --- 151.656 km/h -- BMW M6, 507 PS/1761 kg (sport auto 12/05)
1,980 kg from mbusa.
12-21-2006, 04:18 AM
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The M6 is definitely faster 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile.
The SL55 has a lower CD (0.30 versus 0.32). As a result the SL55 should have the higher maximum velocity and could be faster from, say, 0 MPH to 200 MPH or in the standing mile.
BTW, everytime I see one of your posts I think to myself, he should change his username to "BoCanada."
The SL55 has a lower CD (0.30 versus 0.32). As a result the SL55 should have the higher maximum velocity and could be faster from, say, 0 MPH to 200 MPH or in the standing mile.
BTW, everytime I see one of your posts I think to myself, he should change his username to "BoCanada."
I have but one thing to add to this thread.............
Bring on the M6 - Beautiful Car?? - YES!!
Faster than an SL55 ......maybe
Faster than my E55??? Not even close!!
I clicked off a 1/2 dozen runs last week in 72 degree weather all 11.7 or better and all @ 121.52 or FASTER!!!
C@D tested the M6 in 50 degree weather........at those temps I'll turn an
11.4'ish @125mph.............
Bring on the M6https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....0&postcount=30
Ken's slip/dyno/video... check out great run and HUGE burn out!
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10814.html
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12-23-2006, 11:00 AM
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chp1884,
I saw the Speed special on the M cars, and the M6 was going 197. But, if you noticed, the HUD was engaged, and the tach is divided into a green area, and a yellow area, and then a red area. At 197, the revs were only still in the green area, probably around 65-6800. The redline on this car is 8250, so that means that it is more than capable of 205. This, combined with an article in MT in which they rode in a heavier, less aerodynamic M5, and it went 205. This means that the M6 could possibly be EVEN faster! Amazing car!
I saw the Speed special on the M cars, and the M6 was going 197. But, if you noticed, the HUD was engaged, and the tach is divided into a green area, and a yellow area, and then a red area. At 197, the revs were only still in the green area, probably around 65-6800. The redline on this car is 8250, so that means that it is more than capable of 205. This, combined with an article in MT in which they rode in a heavier, less aerodynamic M5, and it went 205. This means that the M6 could possibly be EVEN faster! Amazing car!
12-23-2006, 12:30 PM
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chp1884,
I saw the Speed special on the M cars, and the M6 was going 197. But, if you noticed, the HUD was engaged, and the tach is divided into a green area, and a yellow area, and then a red area. At 197, the revs were only still in the green area, probably around 65-6800. The redline on this car is 8250, so that means that it is more than capable of 205. This, combined with an article in MT in which they rode in a heavier, less aerodynamic M5, and it went 205. This means that the M6 could possibly be EVEN faster! Amazing car!
I saw the Speed special on the M cars, and the M6 was going 197. But, if you noticed, the HUD was engaged, and the tach is divided into a green area, and a yellow area, and then a red area. At 197, the revs were only still in the green area, probably around 65-6800. The redline on this car is 8250, so that means that it is more than capable of 205. This, combined with an article in MT in which they rode in a heavier, less aerodynamic M5, and it went 205. This means that the M6 could possibly be EVEN faster! Amazing car!
)...ever heard of drag limited ?
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12-23-2006, 12:32 PM
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This comparison will always live and never die....2 very different cars!
I have but one thing to add to this thread.............
Bring on the M6 - Beautiful Car?? - YES!!
Faster than an SL55 ......maybe
Faster than my E55??? Not even close!!
I clicked off a 1/2 dozen runs last week in 72 degree weather all 11.7 or better and all @ 121.52 or FASTER!!!
C@D tested the M6 in 50 degree weather........at those temps I'll turn an
11.4'ish @125mph............. Bring on the M6
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....0&postcount=30
Ken's slip/dyno/video... check out great run and HUGE burn out!
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10814.html
I have but one thing to add to this thread.............
Bring on the M6 - Beautiful Car?? - YES!!
Faster than an SL55 ......maybe
Faster than my E55??? Not even close!!
I clicked off a 1/2 dozen runs last week in 72 degree weather all 11.7 or better and all @ 121.52 or FASTER!!!
C@D tested the M6 in 50 degree weather........at those temps I'll turn an
11.4'ish @125mph.............
Bring on the M6https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....0&postcount=30
Ken's slip/dyno/video... check out great run and HUGE burn out!
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10814.html
sigh...is your car possibly not stock ?
12-23-2006, 12:52 PM
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Bobcanada, what is the point of this thread? You ask a basic question that, in my opinion, you clearly know the answer to. AMG down low, M up top. Hell, you've owned an E55 and researched the hell out of the M cars as you were thinking of buying one.
You ask the question and then start presenting statistics of each car's performance. You already knew the answer to your own question
If you just want to start mixing things up between AMG and M guys, why not just say it
You ask the question and then start presenting statistics of each car's performance. You already knew the answer to your own question
If you just want to start mixing things up between AMG and M guys, why not just say it
12-24-2006, 05:33 AM
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This comparison will always live and never die....2 very different cars!
I have but one thing to add to this thread.............
Bring on the M6 - Beautiful Car?? - YES!!
Faster than an SL55 ......maybe
Faster than my E55??? Not even close!!
I clicked off a 1/2 dozen runs last week in 72 degree weather all 11.7 or better and all @ 121.52 or FASTER!!!
C@D tested the M6 in 50 degree weather........at those temps I'll turn an
11.4'ish @125mph............. Bring on the M6
https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....0&postcount=30
Ken's slip/dyno/video... check out great run and HUGE burn out!
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10814.html
I have but one thing to add to this thread.............
Bring on the M6 - Beautiful Car?? - YES!!
Faster than an SL55 ......maybe
Faster than my E55??? Not even close!!
I clicked off a 1/2 dozen runs last week in 72 degree weather all 11.7 or better and all @ 121.52 or FASTER!!!
C@D tested the M6 in 50 degree weather........at those temps I'll turn an
11.4'ish @125mph.............
Bring on the M6https://mbworld.org/forums/showpost....0&postcount=30
Ken's slip/dyno/video... check out great run and HUGE burn out!
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-10814.html
come on, your car has a long list of mod while the M6 you owned is bone stock. plus your quarter mile traps 125mph? look at the Kleemann K4 vs M6 posted at youtube, the E55 rules all the way up to 120mph+ before M6 kills it.
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12-24-2006, 07:55 AM
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How-ever ...please don't compare my car to a stage 4....as my car, for whatever reason is putting down stronger #'s than a normal "4" car.
(Similar to "Rock's & Jakpro")As for the 125 trap....give me 50 degree weather and you'll see a few E's trap 125 consistently!
There is no way that an M6 will kill my car "after 120".......
As a note: M6 according to C&D 0-150 - 23.4 secs
My E tested 0-150 - 18.9 secs based on these #'s alone - I'll pull an M6 from 120.......any takers???
I enjoy the styling of the M6!!- I think it's a VERY NICE Car, and stock, it is a great car to own.......but modding is very limited, where-as our E-55's can go the distance. Please no flames here, these are just the facts as of today....
All Fellow MB Owners - I wish you a Happy Holiday Season
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12-24-2006, 10:26 AM
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Well - you're right about the long list of mods - Yes!
How-ever ...please don't compare my car to a stage 4....as my car, for whatever reason is putting down stronger #'s than a normal "4" car. (Similar to "Rock's & Jakpro")
As for the 125 trap....give me 50 degree weather and you'll see a few E's trap 125 consistently!
There is no way that an M6 will kill my car "after 120".......
As a note: M6 according to C&D 0-150 - 23.4 secs
My E tested 0-150 - 18.9 secs based on these #'s alone - I'll pull an M6 from 120.......any takers???
I enjoy the styling of the M6!!- I think it's a VERY NICE Car, and stock, it is a great car to own.......but modding is very limited, where-as our E-55's can go the distance. Please no flames here, these are just the facts as of today....
All Fellow MB Owners - I wish you a Happy Holiday Season
How-ever ...please don't compare my car to a stage 4....as my car, for whatever reason is putting down stronger #'s than a normal "4" car.
(Similar to "Rock's & Jakpro")As for the 125 trap....give me 50 degree weather and you'll see a few E's trap 125 consistently!
There is no way that an M6 will kill my car "after 120".......
As a note: M6 according to C&D 0-150 - 23.4 secs
My E tested 0-150 - 18.9 secs based on these #'s alone - I'll pull an M6 from 120.......any takers???
I enjoy the styling of the M6!!- I think it's a VERY NICE Car, and stock, it is a great car to own.......but modding is very limited, where-as our E-55's can go the distance. Please no flames here, these are just the facts as of today....
All Fellow MB Owners - I wish you a Happy Holiday Season
WIth your mods you have a very bad bad car!!!
p.s 23.4 sec 0-150 is very very slow for M6, in fact that was the time of new Manual m5 in recent reviews. M6 should do it in round 20 second mark.
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BMW M6 Coupé E63 SMG - 2005 (Serie)
Motorart V 10
Hubraum 4999 ccm
Aufladung Sauger
PS - UMin 507 PS (373 kW) - 7750/Min
Nm - UMin 520 Nm - 6100/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 7/sequentiell
Test in sport auto 07/2005
Gewicht 1761 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,2 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,0 s
0 - 160 km/h 8,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,8 s
0 - 250 km/h - s
400 m, stehender Start - s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 270 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 35,5 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 33,8 m
Nordschleife 8.07,76 min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.14,4 min
Motopark Oschersleben - min
Querbeschleunigung 1,2 g
Slalom 18 m 67,9 km/h
Slalom 36 m - km/h
ISO Ausweichtest - km/h
Testverbrauch min/max/ges 15,2/27,9/21,4 L/SP
Mercedes SL 55 AMG - 2003 (Serie)
Motorart V 8
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Aufladung Kompressor
PS - UMin 500 PS - 6000/Min
Nm - UMin 700 Nm - 2650/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 5/Automatik
Test in sport auto 4/2003
Gewicht 1988 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,4 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,0 s
0 - 140 km/h 7,8 s
0 - 160 km/h 9,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 11,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 14,3 s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 37,7 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 36,0 m
Nordschleife - min
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Querbeschleunigung 1,15 g
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This is a really good place to find stats...
http://www.einszweidrei.de/
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0 - 100 km/h 4,2 s
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0 - 130 km/h - s
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0 - 160 km/h 8,7 s
0 - 180 km/h 10,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 12,8 s
0 - 250 km/h - s
400 m, stehender Start - s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 270 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 35,5 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 33,8 m
Nordschleife 8.07,76 min
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Motopark Oschersleben - min
Querbeschleunigung 1,2 g
Slalom 18 m 67,9 km/h
Slalom 36 m - km/h
ISO Ausweichtest - km/h
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Test in sport auto 4/2003
Gewicht 1988 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,4 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,0 s
0 - 140 km/h 7,8 s
0 - 160 km/h 9,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 11,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 14,3 s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 37,7 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 36,0 m
Nordschleife - min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.15,9 min
Querbeschleunigung 1,15 g
Slalom 18 m 62,7 km/h
Slalom 36 m - km/h
ISO Ausweichtest - km/h
Testverbrauch 17,8 L/SB
This is a really good place to find stats...
http://www.einszweidrei.de/
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Isn't the SL quite a bit heavier? That alone would hamper things... it's a convertible and due to this, the extra weight can be a disadvantage.
It would be a bit fairer to compare the new M6 convertible against the SL, as the two cars would be a bit closer to each other in terms of beahviour, weight and so on...
It's kinda like the M3 vs M3 convertible issue where the M3's a pretty fast car and able to do well against, say, an SLK 55 AMG, but for a better comparison, one should pit the convertible version (which is quite a bit slower then the standard M3) against the SLK.
just my two cents... all of them are great cars tho'.
It would be a bit fairer to compare the new M6 convertible against the SL, as the two cars would be a bit closer to each other in terms of beahviour, weight and so on...
It's kinda like the M3 vs M3 convertible issue where the M3's a pretty fast car and able to do well against, say, an SLK 55 AMG, but for a better comparison, one should pit the convertible version (which is quite a bit slower then the standard M3) against the SLK.
just my two cents... all of them are great cars tho'.
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08 S65, 06 M3 CS(stick), 02 BMW X5 4.6iS, 07 R1 Raven, 08 F-450 4x4, 08 CooperS JCW
I'm an M-guy. However, I respect much of the AMG lineup. They are two very different cars with respect to how they make their power. One a high revving NA, the other a torquey FI. One has an auto box, the other a sequential manual.
We all know the SL55 is the quicker car the majority of the time (traction permittting) but the M6 rewards skilful drivers with a better top end and a penchant to switch their cogs in a raw manner.
It's a fair comparison but a pretty pointless one when used without a particular encounter to speak about.
where the SL does score points is by being two cars in one. I really cannot see the point of the porky M6 conv at all.
We all know the SL55 is the quicker car the majority of the time (traction permittting) but the M6 rewards skilful drivers with a better top end and a penchant to switch their cogs in a raw manner.
It's a fair comparison but a pretty pointless one when used without a particular encounter to speak about.
where the SL does score points is by being two cars in one. I really cannot see the point of the porky M6 conv at all.
