SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: ASP vs Evotech pulley and ECU vc Evosport
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ASP vs Evotech pulley and ECU vc Evosport
Ok, guys, i´ve been make alot of reading about possible upgrades on the SL55 and end up seeing that ASP pulleycan give you alone +30Hp, while Evotech (wish is said to have one of the best and last generation pulley) can only produce 20Hp with ECU + pulley
Here´s Evotech techinal data:
http://www.evotech.de/konfigurator/k...tern=0?146,116
And here´s dyno from ASP pulley + IC pump
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=70925
What is wrong here, how can ECU + Pulley from Evotech produce less power than only ASP pulley?
What about the Evosport packeage which includes:
• evosport fully dampened overdrive crankshaft pulley
• evosport black anodized billet aluminum underdrive pulley kit (water pump, alternator & power steering, belt)
• additional tensioner pulleys and hardware
• Powerchip/evosport custom-tuned evo1 software
According to EVO this will give you 50Hp more, as anyone have real life experience with this kit?
Trying to get the best bang for the buck deal, thanks in advance
J.Seven
Here´s Evotech techinal data:
http://www.evotech.de/konfigurator/k...tern=0?146,116
And here´s dyno from ASP pulley + IC pump
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=70925
What is wrong here, how can ECU + Pulley from Evotech produce less power than only ASP pulley?
What about the Evosport packeage which includes:
• evosport fully dampened overdrive crankshaft pulley
• evosport black anodized billet aluminum underdrive pulley kit (water pump, alternator & power steering, belt)
• additional tensioner pulleys and hardware
• Powerchip/evosport custom-tuned evo1 software
According to EVO this will give you 50Hp more, as anyone have real life experience with this kit?
Trying to get the best bang for the buck deal, thanks in advance
J.Seven
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Just seen the Veloce Performance site and they claim 80HP with ECU and pulley. 50hp alone for the ECU 
while Renntech, Klemann and all the other companies claim 10 to 115 hp gain with just ECU 
Jezzzz this is weird.
Dino can you give me a explanation to why your product can make much more power than all the others? Do you have a representative here in Europe?
Thanks in advance.
J.Seven
while Renntech, Klemann and all the other companies claim 10 to 115 hp gain with just ECU Jezzzz this is weird. Dino can you give me a explanation to why your product can make much more power than all the others? Do you have a representative here in Europe?
Thanks in advance.
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Just seen the Veloce Performance site and they claim 80HP with ECU and pulley. 50hp alone for the ECU while Renntech, Klemann and all the other companies claim 10 to 115 hp gain with just ECU Jezzzz this is weird.
Dino can you give me a explanation to why your product can make much more power than all the others? Do you have a representative here in Europe?
Thanks in advance.
J.Seven
while Renntech, Klemann and all the other companies claim 10 to 115 hp gain with just ECU Jezzzz this is weird. Dino can you give me a explanation to why your product can make much more power than all the others? Do you have a representative here in Europe?
Thanks in advance.
J.Seven
The differences are that we are not dealing with the same products. Each tuning house has sofware writers and development people trying to get the best out of their products. Just like doctors, some are better than others. I am not saying that we are the best, but I know that we are doing great work and my car is fantastic and has been dead on reliable. And based on what I am hearing from my clients, they are thrilled too.
I can't speak for the other companies, but I can tell you that because I own these cars and mine has been the test bed for alot of the work, we have been able to come up with some great solutions. Additionally, my AMG software writer has some direct ties to the factory, so perhaps he has some additional information.
We are also in the process of coming up with some great cooling solutions that will enhance what we are doing from the ECU side....in other words......more power! ....and I know that it will have great performance and a great price point.
I still think that with all this extra hp/torque running around........we should all be investing in better brakes. I did, and it made a huge difference.
We don't have a European distributor as of yet, but we can turn your ECU around pretty quickly so that your down time is at a minimum.
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Evotech pulley
Dyno chart from Evotech pulley attached:
Couple of Mbworld members have the Evotech 178 mm pulley:
SleeperX, Jakpro, Rocketw19, Korveine, aganzon, to name a few..
EVOtech pulley setup.
(crankshaft bolt not included.)
If you have any further question, feel free to contact me at anytime.
Here's a video of EVOtech SL 55 vs LPE Z06 (courtesy of E55_RUSS)
Evotech SL 55 vs LPE Z06
Dyno chart of the Evotech SL 55 with SLR internals. (pistons, connecting rods)
Couple of Mbworld members have the Evotech 178 mm pulley:
SleeperX, Jakpro, Rocketw19, Korveine, aganzon, to name a few..
EVOtech pulley setup.
(crankshaft bolt not included.)
If you have any further question, feel free to contact me at anytime.
Here's a video of EVOtech SL 55 vs LPE Z06 (courtesy of E55_RUSS)
Evotech SL 55 vs LPE Z06
Dyno chart of the Evotech SL 55 with SLR internals. (pistons, connecting rods)
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IngenereAMG -I see Euro Elites has provided a nice Dyno of their Evotech set up...Do you have any dyno sheets? It would be interesting to see those claims previously mentioned on the other threads....
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Ok, guys, i´ve been make alot of reading about possible upgrades on the SL55 and end up seeing that ASP pulleycan give you alone +30Hp, while Evotech (wish is said to have one of the best and last generation pulley) can only produce 20Hp with ECU + pulley
Here´s Evotech techinal data:
http://www.evotech.de/konfigurator/k...tern=0?146,116
And here´s dyno from ASP pulley + IC pump
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=70925
What is wrong here, how can ECU + Pulley from Evotech produce less power than only ASP pulley?
What about the Evosport packeage which includes:
• evosport fully dampened overdrive crankshaft pulley
• evosport black anodized billet aluminum underdrive pulley kit (water pump, alternator & power steering, belt)
• additional tensioner pulleys and hardware
• Powerchip/evosport custom-tuned evo1 software
According to EVO this will give you 50Hp more, as anyone have real life experience with this kit?
Trying to get the best bang for the buck deal, thanks in advance
J.Seven
Here´s Evotech techinal data:
http://www.evotech.de/konfigurator/k...tern=0?146,116
And here´s dyno from ASP pulley + IC pump
http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=70925
What is wrong here, how can ECU + Pulley from Evotech produce less power than only ASP pulley?
What about the Evosport packeage which includes:
• evosport fully dampened overdrive crankshaft pulley
• evosport black anodized billet aluminum underdrive pulley kit (water pump, alternator & power steering, belt)
• additional tensioner pulleys and hardware
• Powerchip/evosport custom-tuned evo1 software
According to EVO this will give you 50Hp more, as anyone have real life experience with this kit?
Trying to get the best bang for the buck deal, thanks in advance
J.Seven
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Dyno chart from Evotech pulley attached:
Couple of Mbworld members have the Evotech 178 mm pulley:
SleeperX, Jakpro, Rocketw19, Korveine, aganzon, to name a few..
pulley setup.
If you have any further question, feel free to contact me at anytime.
Here's a video of EVOtech SL 55 vs LPE Z06 (courtesy of E55_RUSS)
Evotech SL 55 vs LPE Z06
Dyno chart of the Evotech SL 55 with SLR internals. (pistons, connecting rods)
Couple of Mbworld members have the Evotech 178 mm pulley:
SleeperX, Jakpro, Rocketw19, Korveine, aganzon, to name a few..
pulley setup.
If you have any further question, feel free to contact me at anytime.
Here's a video of EVOtech SL 55 vs LPE Z06 (courtesy of E55_RUSS)
Evotech SL 55 vs LPE Z06
Dyno chart of the Evotech SL 55 with SLR internals. (pistons, connecting rods)
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So according to your site, your ECU + pulley will give a gain of 80HP. Do you have any Dino charts so that i can se the power and torque curves? What´s the size of your pulley? Thanks in advance.
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Another factor is the use of different dyno machines.
By the way,
Our pulley is 178 mm, 10 mm bigger than the Renntech gell pulley and a little bigger than the ASP pulley.
Cheers,
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I have the Veloce tune. I dyno'd mine last week. Only upgrades are
Veloce performance ecu tune
NO PULLEY CHANGE
Renntech headers (30hp per renntech
VRP airbox (no airtubes lets be generous and say 20hp)
Dyno 490hp at the wheels
520fp torque
If you consider the 50 hp for the headers/ airbox (generous estimate) I gained about 50hp from the ecu tune. I have a dyno print out I will try to scan tonight.
Doc
Veloce performance ecu tune
NO PULLEY CHANGE
Renntech headers (30hp per renntech
VRP airbox (no airtubes lets be generous and say 20hp)
Dyno 490hp at the wheels
520fp torque
If you consider the 50 hp for the headers/ airbox (generous estimate) I gained about 50hp from the ecu tune. I have a dyno print out I will try to scan tonight.
Doc
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I have the Veloce tune. I dyno'd mine last week. Only upgrades are
Veloce performance ecu tune
NO PULLEY CHANGE
Renntech headers (30hp per renntech
VRP airbox (no airtubes lets be generous and say 20hp)
Dyno 490hp at the wheels
520fp torque
If you consider the 50 hp for the headers/ airbox (generous estimate) I gained about 50hp from the ecu tune. I have a dyno print out I will try to scan tonight.
Doc
Veloce performance ecu tune
NO PULLEY CHANGE
Renntech headers (30hp per renntech
VRP airbox (no airtubes lets be generous and say 20hp)
Dyno 490hp at the wheels
520fp torque
If you consider the 50 hp for the headers/ airbox (generous estimate) I gained about 50hp from the ecu tune. I have a dyno print out I will try to scan tonight.
Doc
I really have my doubts on those numbers, have been making engine tuning in all my cars for the last ten years, everything from simple ECU tuning to complete Turbo charge systems in atmo engines, and from real life experience 30HP gains with only headers is not possible. maybe 15HP gain with headers and Air box would be more realistic.
But I will try out myself within a couple of months.
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Thanks Dino, i´ll keep on the search and try to get more info about power upgrades. I know there´s a regular poster here that has drop your software and it seems his happy with the result, I´ll try to have a word with him.
So according to your site, your ECU + pulley will give a gain of 80HP. Do you have any Dino charts so that i can se the power and torque curves? What´s the size of your pulley? Thanks in advance.
J.Seven
So according to your site, your ECU + pulley will give a gain of 80HP. Do you have any Dino charts so that i can se the power and torque curves? What´s the size of your pulley? Thanks in advance.
J.Seven
Here is the link to one of our dynos that you are looking for.......
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1185395231
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Here is the link to one of our dynos that you are looking for.......
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1185395231
Here is the link to one of our dynos that you are looking for.......
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1185395231
Was this with Pulley and ECU?When the most reputable German and American tuners can only take out 10 to 15HP with ECU tuning, you have to understand that your numbers are quite a bit weird. I´m not saying it´s not possible, but at what reliable cost is this number possible to achieve. I believe I´ll try out myself, nothing like real life experience
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64HP gain Was this with Pulley and ECU?
When the most reputable German and American tuners can only take out 10 to 15HP with ECU tuning, you have to understand that your numbers are quite a bit weird. I´m not saying it´s not possible, but at what reliable cost is this number possible to achieve. I believe I´ll try out myself, nothing like real life experience
J.Seven
Was this with Pulley and ECU?When the most reputable German and American tuners can only take out 10 to 15HP with ECU tuning, you have to understand that your numbers are quite a bit weird. I´m not saying it´s not possible, but at what reliable cost is this number possible to achieve. I believe I´ll try out myself, nothing like real life experience
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64HP gain Was this with Pulley and ECU?
When the most reputable German and American tuners can only take out 10 to 15HP with ECU tuning, you have to understand that your numbers are quite a bit weird. I´m not saying it´s not possible, but at what reliable cost is this number possible to achieve. I believe I´ll try out myself, nothing like real life experience
J.Seven
Was this with Pulley and ECU?When the most reputable German and American tuners can only take out 10 to 15HP with ECU tuning, you have to understand that your numbers are quite a bit weird. I´m not saying it´s not possible, but at what reliable cost is this number possible to achieve. I believe I´ll try out myself, nothing like real life experience
J.Seven
You are indeed correct. All reputable German tuners know that they can only tweak the Bosch ME 2.8.1 so far; thus 10-15 hp.
The right question is, how do one tweak the DME to gain over 20 hp? Surely, AMG didn't purposely DETUNE the M113 K especially when the engine is in the SL, S, CL chassis.
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Do you really think headers can give you 30HP and Air Box 20HP gain??????
I really have my doubts on those numbers, have been making engine tuning in all my cars for the last ten years, everything from simple ECU tuning to complete Turbo charge systems in atmo engines, and from real life experience 30HP gains with only headers is not possible. maybe 15HP gain with headers and Air box would be more realistic.
But I will try out myself within a couple of months.
J.Seven
I really have my doubts on those numbers, have been making engine tuning in all my cars for the last ten years, everything from simple ECU tuning to complete Turbo charge systems in atmo engines, and from real life experience 30HP gains with only headers is not possible. maybe 15HP gain with headers and Air box would be more realistic.
But I will try out myself within a couple of months.
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The differences are that we are not dealing with the same products. Each tuning house has sofware writers and development people trying to get the best out of their products. Just like doctors, some are better than others. I am not saying that we are the best, but I know that we are doing great work and my car is fantastic and has been dead on reliable. And based on what I am hearing from my clients, they are thrilled too.
I can't speak for the other companies, but I can tell you that because I own these cars and mine has been the test bed for alot of the work, we have been able to come up with some great solutions. Additionally, my AMG software writer has some direct ties to the factory, so perhaps he has some additional information.
We are also in the process of coming up with some great cooling solutions that will enhance what we are doing from the ECU side....in other words......more power! ....and I know that it will have great performance and a great price point.
I still think that with all this extra hp/torque running around........we should all be investing in better brakes. I did, and it made a huge difference.
We don't have a European distributor as of yet, but we can turn your ECU around pretty quickly so that your down time is at a minimum.
The differences are that we are not dealing with the same products. Each tuning house has sofware writers and development people trying to get the best out of their products. Just like doctors, some are better than others. I am not saying that we are the best, but I know that we are doing great work and my car is fantastic and has been dead on reliable. And based on what I am hearing from my clients, they are thrilled too.
I can't speak for the other companies, but I can tell you that because I own these cars and mine has been the test bed for alot of the work, we have been able to come up with some great solutions. Additionally, my AMG software writer has some direct ties to the factory, so perhaps he has some additional information.
We are also in the process of coming up with some great cooling solutions that will enhance what we are doing from the ECU side....in other words......more power! ....and I know that it will have great performance and a great price point.
I still think that with all this extra hp/torque running around........we should all be investing in better brakes. I did, and it made a huge difference.
We don't have a European distributor as of yet, but we can turn your ECU around pretty quickly so that your down time is at a minimum.
