SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Dyno sheet (after Veloce ECU Tune) and some new toys I need to install
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Dyno sheet (after Veloce ECU Tune) and some new toys I need to install
I had said in another post I would post my dyno sheet, but had not gotten around to it because of my recent illness/surgery. Here is the Dyno sheet. This is RWHP/torque. The only mods for this dyno was a Veloce Performance ECU tune, renntech headers and K&N filters. This is a 93 octane tune.
Below are my new purchases that are waiting for install. 170mm overdrive pulley, phenolic spacers, dedenbear ic pump, dual pass custom heat exchanger.
Below are my new purchases that are waiting for install. 170mm overdrive pulley, phenolic spacers, dedenbear ic pump, dual pass custom heat exchanger.
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wow, what was your baseline? regardless, i think your dyno operator is playing a joke on you. i'm not in any way questioning the mods but those numbers are EXTREMELY inflated for the few mods you have and especially for being measured on a dyno dynamics machine.
not trying to rain on your parade but i'd have to see 1/4mile times backing up those numbers before i put any faith in the guy that performed your dyno work.
not trying to rain on your parade but i'd have to see 1/4mile times backing up those numbers before i put any faith in the guy that performed your dyno work.
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Dyno Dynamics numbers are typically lower than Dynojet numbers. With the mods that you state, I think this is the highest I have ever seen or heard of.
I have to say WOW too....that's really really high for just ECU and Headers.
I'll be happy with 480-485 rwhp on a Dynojet, with all the mods that i've done (Kleemann K2, air filters, phenolic spacers, IC pump upgrade).
Anyhow, it's impressive, but kind of hard to believe and without a baseline dyno, you really can't see how much you improved over stock.
I have to say WOW too....that's really really high for just ECU and Headers.
I'll be happy with 480-485 rwhp on a Dynojet, with all the mods that i've done (Kleemann K2, air filters, phenolic spacers, IC pump upgrade).
Anyhow, it's impressive, but kind of hard to believe and without a baseline dyno, you really can't see how much you improved over stock.
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wow, what was your baseline? regardless, i think your dyno operator is playing a joke on you. i'm not in any way questioning the mods but those numbers are EXTREMELY inflated for the few mods you have and especially for being measured on a dyno dynamics machine.
not trying to rain on your parade but i'd have to see 1/4mile times backing up those numbers before i put any faith in the guy that performed your dyno work.
not trying to rain on your parade but i'd have to see 1/4mile times backing up those numbers before i put any faith in the guy that performed your dyno work.
You should come out to the track when I am running PIR w/the SL55. I would be happy to give you a ride. All I have is our ECU work and K&N filters. It is very strong! Your beast is running strong, but I didn't want to do that much to my car....and I knew that there was alot to be had by just tuning.
Everyone wanted proof. Thank you Doc for getting some!
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wow, what was your baseline? regardless, i think your dyno operator is playing a joke on you. i'm not in any way questioning the mods but those numbers are EXTREMELY inflated for the few mods you have and especially for being measured on a dyno dynamics machine.
not trying to rain on your parade but i'd have to see 1/4mile times backing up those numbers before i put any faith in the guy that performed your dyno work.
not trying to rain on your parade but i'd have to see 1/4mile times backing up those numbers before i put any faith in the guy that performed your dyno work.
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Sorry, had to dig and found one of my drag time slips. It is 1/8th mile on street tires with tirespin in 1-3rd. My new street tires are now 2 inches each side wider now. Have not taken to a 1/4 mile track yet. there are very few around here. Most are 1/8 mile tracks. I am recovering from major surgery and next track days won't be for a while. I will update when I can.
date 9/26/07
reaction .627
60 ft 1.668
594 ft 7.392
1/8 mile 7.749
mph 89.42
date 9/26/07
reaction .627
60 ft 1.668
594 ft 7.392
1/8 mile 7.749
mph 89.42
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Sorry, had to dig and found one of my drag time slips. It is 1/8th mile on street tires with tirespin in 1-3rd. My new street tires are now 2 inches each side wider now. Have not taken to a 1/4 mile track yet. there are very few around here. Most are 1/8 mile tracks. I am recovering from major surgery and next track days won't be for a while. I will update when I can.
date 9/26/07
reaction .627
60 ft 1.668
594 ft 7.392
1/8 mile 7.749
mph 89.42
date 9/26/07
reaction .627
60 ft 1.668
594 ft 7.392
1/8 mile 7.749
mph 89.42
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Mike:
You should come out to the track when I am running PIR w/the SL55. I would be happy to give you a ride. All I have is our ECU work and K&N filters. It is very strong! Your beast is running strong, but I didn't want to do that much to my car....and I knew that there was alot to be had by just tuning.
Everyone wanted proof. Thank you Doc for getting some!
You should come out to the track when I am running PIR w/the SL55. I would be happy to give you a ride. All I have is our ECU work and K&N filters. It is very strong! Your beast is running strong, but I didn't want to do that much to my car....and I knew that there was alot to be had by just tuning.
Everyone wanted proof. Thank you Doc for getting some!
btw, i'd love to catch up with you at pir...just say when.
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I apologize the 60 ft time is a typo. It should be 1.768. Yes On street tires Toyo Proxes T1R 285/30/20. Yes wheel spin galore. My SL55 kicks my sl600's a-- and it is renntech tuned. As far as something not adding up, what do I gain by making up numbers. I have better things to do with my times. The 60 ft time was a typo. The dyno numbers are true when compared to the other local dyno. I have not dyno'd at both, but It is a new dyno and the numbers on my friends cars who have dyno'd in 2 different locations were actually very comperable between the 2.
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I dont think anyone is doubting you or your car, im sure its fast and u enjoy it, i will say though that if your 55 with just headers and tune kicks your renntech 600's butt u need to get another tune on that 600 
i have said this before, this is NOT the first dyno dynamics to read abnormally high, as the HP is further evidenced by the 1/8 mile trap speed which would put him at a 115+ trap in the 1/4, sometimes the best "dyno" is your trap speed
i have said this before, this is NOT the first dyno dynamics to read abnormally high, as the HP is further evidenced by the 1/8 mile trap speed which would put him at a 115+ trap in the 1/4, sometimes the best "dyno" is your trap speed
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One thing I really believe is what Dino says. Veloce has been perfecting the amg55 motor because DUH the owner drives one. So they have found every little bit of Power without the pulley. I am curious to see how it does after I add my new pulley.
As far as needing another tune on my 600, I agree. To be honest I am not very impressed with Renntech. I could have had the headers ($5000) made by my fabricator buddy for less than 1/10th of what they cost. There really was no super intuitive concepts in how they were designed. They only get 50hp from tune and pulley and I KNOW I got 40+ from the Veloce ECU tune without the pulley. But sometimes it is just the right combo between the way the ecu is tuned and the headers/CF intake. But the intake was added after the Dyno/drag time.
As far as needing another tune on my 600, I agree. To be honest I am not very impressed with Renntech. I could have had the headers ($5000) made by my fabricator buddy for less than 1/10th of what they cost. There really was no super intuitive concepts in how they were designed. They only get 50hp from tune and pulley and I KNOW I got 40+ from the Veloce ECU tune without the pulley. But sometimes it is just the right combo between the way the ecu is tuned and the headers/CF intake. But the intake was added after the Dyno/drag time.
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Agreed; without a baseline dyno, the results don't mean nearly as much as they would with the baseline to compare it to. Think of it the same way you would a diet, except you didn't know what you weighed to begin with, you may be happy with what you have now but it'd be a lot better knowing where you came from to begin with, would you rather KNOW you lost 2 pounds...or 20?
I have excellent access to a Land & Sea dynometer which uses Dyno-Max 2000 software. When I do mods I'll be more than happy to do a before and after, and post the numbers, it's just a little difficult, at least as far as selecting the tuner themselves is, to pick one to begin with. Big difference between a $400 SCT handheld tuner for my truck and thousands for a friggin' ECU tune...
I have excellent access to a Land & Sea dynometer which uses Dyno-Max 2000 software. When I do mods I'll be more than happy to do a before and after, and post the numbers, it's just a little difficult, at least as far as selecting the tuner themselves is, to pick one to begin with. Big difference between a $400 SCT handheld tuner for my truck and thousands for a friggin' ECU tune...
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I apologize the 60 ft time is a typo. It should be 1.768. Yes On street tires Toyo Proxes T1R 285/30/20. Yes wheel spin galore. My SL55 kicks my sl600's a-- and it is renntech tuned. As far as something not adding up, what do I gain by making up numbers. I have better things to do with my times. The 60 ft time was a typo. The dyno numbers are true when compared to the other local dyno. I have not dyno'd at both, but It is a new dyno and the numbers on my friends cars who have dyno'd in 2 different locations were actually very comperable between the 2.
just for comparison, you're putting down slightly more hp than i am on a dyno dynamics machine but my 1/8mile times are 7.4x @ 94.x mph in worse conditions. BIG difference.
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I know how to end this back and forth.
Dino should flash his car back to stock, then dyno the car.
Then immediately flash to his latest program and dyno again.
Post the dyno's ... end the debate!
Dino should flash his car back to stock, then dyno the car.
Then immediately flash to his latest program and dyno again.
Post the dyno's ... end the debate!
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My 1/8 mile times are at a backwoods 1/8 mi track that is basically someone's back yard. No track prep on the day the time run. Wheel spin from 1st-3rd gears so you running faster times is no surprise. See if you can even find it on a map. http://www.baileytondragstrip.com/ Next time I am able to go it will be on street tires but with 4.6 more inches of rubber on the ground. We will see what the numbers do. And there is no way your conditions can be worse than this track.
i never accused you of anything and i'm sure we both have better things to do with our time. i simply said something doesn't add up and obviously i was right...1.768 is easily believable for the situation where as 1.6x was not so thank you for correcting the typo.
just for comparison, you're putting down slightly more hp than i am on a dyno dynamics machine but my 1/8mile times are 7.4x @ 94.x mph in worse conditions. BIG difference.
just for comparison, you're putting down slightly more hp than i am on a dyno dynamics machine but my 1/8mile times are 7.4x @ 94.x mph in worse conditions. BIG difference.
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Mike:
You should come out to the track when I am running PIR w/the SL55. I would be happy to give you a ride. All I have is our ECU work and K&N filters. It is very strong! Your beast is running strong, but I didn't want to do that much to my car....and I knew that there was alot to be had by just tuning.
Everyone wanted proof. Thank you Doc for getting some!
You should come out to the track when I am running PIR w/the SL55. I would be happy to give you a ride. All I have is our ECU work and K&N filters. It is very strong! Your beast is running strong, but I didn't want to do that much to my car....and I knew that there was alot to be had by just tuning.
Everyone wanted proof. Thank you Doc for getting some!
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You name it i've had it or got it...
I apologize the 60 ft time is a typo. It should be 1.768. Yes On street tires Toyo Proxes T1R 285/30/20. Yes wheel spin galore. My SL55 kicks my sl600's a-- and it is renntech tuned. As far as something not adding up, what do I gain by making up numbers. I have better things to do with my times. The 60 ft time was a typo. The dyno numbers are true when compared to the other local dyno. I have not dyno'd at both, but It is a new dyno and the numbers on my friends cars who have dyno'd in 2 different locations were actually very comperable between the 2.
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You name it i've had it or got it...
he always has small typos...the 60 foot time for example....or maybe how in the pics section he said his wheels were 9f's 11r's which is obvious they aren't...then tries to sell the wheels and states they are 8f's 10r's...hmmmm
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My 1/8 mile times are at a backwoods 1/8 mi track that is basically someone's back yard. No track prep on the day the time run. Wheel spin from 1st-3rd gears so you running faster times is no surprise. See if you can even find it on a map. http://www.baileytondragstrip.com/ Next time I am able to go it will be on street tires but with 4.6 more inches of rubber on the ground. We will see what the numbers do. And there is no way your conditions can be worse than this track.
regardless, i'll put our da conditions against yours anyday. there are only 2 places with worse conditions than arizona and that's new mexico and denver, but at least denver doesn't have sand blowing across their tracks like the desert states do.
you should try to find a 1/4mile track if you want to compare more meaningful data.
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Those numbers are ridiculously high for and 55 with just ecu, filters and headers on a Dyno Dynamics machine. Plus those dyno numbers mean pretty much next to nothing without a baseline dyno. Anytime you tune your car, you should get a baseline dyno first. Then after the mods, go on the SAME dyno machine and do a few runs and then compare your baseline to your modded.
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I honestly can give a rats A-s if you believe my numbers or not. As far as the wheels go My HRE's are 9F 11R, The Ones for sale now are 8.5 F 10 R. Get your facts straight. I have like 5 sets of wheels between the sl55 and sl600. as far as conditions, I was talking track conditions, not weather conditions. Your not telling me anything I don't know about Arizona. Coronado High School grad (Scottsdale). But dry hot air is always easier to compress then moist hot air. Gotta love Boyle's Law!
I do not care about the numbers. I thought this was a friendly forum, not a keeping up with the Jones' forum. Some engine builders/tuners get more power out of the same equipment. I was just posting my data. I really do not care what you think or if any of you believe them. If they are that important then you see my location. Fill it up and we can hit the streets!
I do not care about the numbers. I thought this was a friendly forum, not a keeping up with the Jones' forum. Some engine builders/tuners get more power out of the same equipment. I was just posting my data. I really do not care what you think or if any of you believe them. If they are that important then you see my location. Fill it up and we can hit the streets!
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One thing I really believe is what Dino says. Veloce has been perfecting the amg55 motor because DUH the owner drives one. So they have found every little bit of Power without the pulley. I am curious to see how it does after I add my new pulley.
As far as needing another tune on my 600, I agree. To be honest I am not very impressed with Renntech. I could have had the headers ($5000) made by my fabricator buddy for less than 1/10th of what they cost. There really was no super intuitive concepts in how they were designed. They only get 50hp from tune and pulley and I KNOW I got 40+ from the Veloce ECU tune without the pulley. But sometimes it is just the right combo between the way the ecu is tuned and the headers/CF intake. But the intake was added after the Dyno/drag time.
As far as needing another tune on my 600, I agree. To be honest I am not very impressed with Renntech. I could have had the headers ($5000) made by my fabricator buddy for less than 1/10th of what they cost. There really was no super intuitive concepts in how they were designed. They only get 50hp from tune and pulley and I KNOW I got 40+ from the Veloce ECU tune without the pulley. But sometimes it is just the right combo between the way the ecu is tuned and the headers/CF intake. But the intake was added after the Dyno/drag time.
Sweden sure is a place way of geograficly speaking, but I feel sorry for you spending that kind of money, and still be disappointed with the thrust on your 600...
How much did you spend on this so called "tune" anyway..?
I can tell you, that you will not be disappointed if you go with the same ECU that I got from Tumba Turbocenter in Stockholm...
Just read my thread called "My latest darling", and you'll get some info on one Monsterchip... Trust me.
And, PM me if you're interested.
