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Old 10-22-2008, 10:57 AM
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those are strong numbers for a stock 65, thanks for posting, my buddy tom is getting a vbox for us to play with
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I just got back from Darren's house. We didn't run our cars but I did borrow the vbox and did some runs in the same locations he did (in Mexico) and the temperature was the same as well.

Here's the best results of multiple runs. I couldn't get traction at all, I really need to figure out how to launch this thing. But as you can see my 60-130 is smoking. His results are m5board. I don't know if he'll post these results on there as well or not. He's having issues with his car again today so not sure what's going on exactly.

Speed(mph) Time(s)
0-60 04.54
0-100 08.77
60-130 08.62
0-30 02.2

My 50-110 time was 5.64 as well.
Those are actually really good times all things considered. With stock tires this car is extremely difficult to launch for a sub-4 sec 0-60 time. Look at how fast you went from 60-100...in only 4.23s... Darren's car is covering the same 60-100 in 4.47s. Darrens 60-130 was 9.59s. Something still seems a bit off on his car.

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Please tell me you have vids when runing the M5. Thats just too funny. The vids where M5's pull on 65's and yet you pulled a stroker motor M5 in a stock SL65!
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Please tell me you have vids when runing the M5. Thats just too funny. The vids where M5's pull on 65's and yet you pulled a stroker motor M5 in a stock SL65!
No vids unfortunately. There is a vid of me pulling his previous modded M5 prior to the stroker upgrade. Not sure what all work he had done to it. Headers, exhaust, intake I know of but not sure about anything else.

He's still having problems with the stroker though so not sure how everything will end up when all is said and done.

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those are strong numbers for a stock 65, thanks for posting, my buddy tom is getting a vbox for us to play with
Just ordered the vbox today.

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I was digging through the vbox file yesterday and saw that I had a run which would qualify as a 1/4 mile as I did a 0-130 run.

According to the vbox data it was:
12.52 ET
122.68 MPH
2.69 60'

Pretty lousy 60'. Digging through the rest of the files where I was doing 0-60 my best 60' was 2.55. I can't launch this thing. Are Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tires any good traction wise? That's what's on there now.
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Originally Posted by bfnnrgn
I was digging through the vbox file yesterday and saw that I had a run which would qualify as a 1/4 mile as I did a 0-130 run.

According to the vbox data it was:
12.52 ET
122.68 MPH
2.69 60'

Pretty lousy 60'. Digging through the rest of the files where I was doing 0-60 my best 60' was 2.55. I can't launch this thing. Are Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tires any good traction wise? That's what's on there now.
A lot of that has to do with the fact that Darren's vbox is not set to do the 1ft roll-out. You can change that setting. I imagine that is worth a good .3-.4seconds for the 60ft time. The Bridgestone Potenza RE 050A were rated pretty good last time I checked. I think with practice and the 1 ft roll-out you can get it down to 1.9s on the street (remember the road you are doing it on isn't prepped).

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Originally Posted by TMC M5
A lot of that has to do with the fact that Darren's vbox is not set to do the 1ft roll-out. You can change that setting. I imagine that is worth a good .3-.4seconds for the 60ft time. The Bridgestone Potenza RE 050A were rated pretty good last time I checked. I think with practice and the 1 ft roll-out you can get it down to 1.9s on the street (remember the road you are doing it on isn't prepped).

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I did a whole bunch of 0-60 runs. About 15 or so, esp on and off. Best I could do was 4.54 and some as high as 5.5. I didn't get a single launch in without ESP cutting in or bad wheelspin. When I took it to the track at the end of August the best I could cut was a 2.2 60' and trapping 121 with ETs around 12.1. It was about 15 degrees hotter then than itis now. 2 weeks earlier at the same track on my very last run I had a freak 60' of 1.9, which I haven't been able to reproduce, and ran an 11.9 at 119.3 and it was 88 degrees and humid out. Now that's its in the 70s I want to see what it will do. Might need some DRs with the cooler weather.
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Originally Posted by bfnnrgn
I did a whole bunch of 0-60 runs. About 15 or so, esp on and off. Best I could do was 4.54 and some as high as 5.5. I didn't get a single launch in without ESP cutting in or bad wheelspin. When I took it to the track at the end of August the best I could cut was a 2.2 60' and trapping 121 with ETs around 12.1. It was about 15 degrees hotter then than itis now. 2 weeks earlier at the same track on my very last run I had a freak 60' of 1.9, which I haven't been able to reproduce, and ran an 11.9 at 119.3 and it was 88 degrees and humid out. Now that's its in the 70s I want to see what it will do. Might need some DRs with the cooler weather.
How do you launch your SL? Do you power brake? If so...it doesn't help...I notice the power will end up dipping before going back up again (I think the computer gets confused as to what you are doing). What is your tire pressure?

Honestly, with drag radials it is pretty easy to run good times. Our cars are so difficult to launch on street tires because of the enormous amount of torque at hand. The first time you run with drag radials and immediately hook a huge smile and sense of euphoria will come over you (not exagerating) .... you may never go back to street tires... i

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Originally Posted by TMC M5
How do you launch your SL? Do you power brake? If so...it doesn't help...I notice the power will end up dipping before going back up again (I think the computer gets confused as to what you are doing). What is your tire pressure?

Honestly, with drag radials it is pretty easy to run good times. Our cars are so difficult to launch on street tires because of the enormous amount of torque at hand. The first time you run with drag radials and immediately hook a huge smile and sense of euphoria will come over you (not exagerating) .... you may never go back to street tires... i

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No power braking, just mash and go from idle. I dropped the tire pressure in the rears to 25 psi and also put the suspension in comfort to let it squat more to get more weight transfer to the back.

I've actually never run with DRs. It's something I've always wanted to try. I know some people run with them on the streets but it's getting cold now and will be rainy so probably not a good idea until summer comes back around.
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Originally Posted by bfnnrgn
No power braking, just mash and go from idle. I dropped the tire pressure in the rears to 25 psi and also put the suspension in comfort to let it squat more to get more weight transfer to the back.

I've actually never run with DRs. It's something I've always wanted to try. I know some people run with them on the streets but it's getting cold now and will be rainy so probably not a good idea until summer comes back around.
Have you ever tried rolling into the throttle? That is, taking 1 second (more or less) to reach WOT? I find that works really well for me.
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Have you ever tried rolling into the throttle? That is, taking 1 second (more or less) to reach WOT? I find that works really well for me.
Yes, didn't make a whole lot of difference though.
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Originally Posted by bfnnrgn
No power braking, just mash and go from idle. I dropped the tire pressure in the rears to 25 psi and also put the suspension in comfort to let it squat more to get more weight transfer to the back.

I've actually never run with DRs. It's something I've always wanted to try. I know some people run with them on the streets but it's getting cold now and will be rainy so probably not a good idea until summer comes back around.
Even with a 1ft roll-out on my Gtech (my vbox should be arriving today) I have only managed a best 2.089 60' on street tires (I am running 285/30ZR20's in the rear with about 38psi) on the street. I think the CL's are helped by having some added weight on the rear (but you have 150lbs less weight overall and an LSD so it should even it out). I pretty much slightly ease into it...and then mash the pedal with ESP on. I wait to hit 2nd gear before hitting ESP off. With drag radials at the track my car ran consistently between 1.712 and 1.730 in 3 runs. This is in dyno mode with a good burnout. I think it has a 1.6X in it with a harder launch. I would think that you would be able to run 11.5-11.6 with a similar launch on DRs.

Being that we know that 0-60 times aren't the end all-be all of determinate of a car's performance, I would be very happy with that 8.62 60-130 time. I would practice some more but until spring/summer rolls around just do the highway roll-ons and 60-130mph runs (in Mexico of course).

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Originally Posted by jmf003
For what its worth most (maybe all?) dynos measure torque and then compute horsepower based on torque and RPMs. It'd be pretty hard to measure horsepower directly.

Wikipedia's explanation on how it all works is pretty decent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyno

If the RPMs aren't correct it's the horsepower numbers that are likely to be incorrect. The torque numbers should be correct, although the RPM scale would be wrong.
Not on a dyno jet, the hp reading is accurate and no tach signal is needed. A clean tach signal is needed for a torque reading on a dyno-jet. The dynojet basically uses these two formulas work=Force X Distance and Power= work/time.
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Great numbers boss- That's right in line with what my 65 did a while back- about 85 degrees and the car was relatively hot. I was really impressed.....I can't wait to get to the track for some good baseline runs- then the RennTech ECU

Heres the vid, and the graph-

http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/b...nt=S65Dyno.flv


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