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Old 09-12-2013, 07:44 PM
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Yes, these CCW's are Custom order ONLY..

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Were your CCW wheels custom made for your car? What I mean is, do they have a 66.56mm hub center? Or are you using hubcentric spacers?

Just for fun, I just went out in the garage and swapped my wheels from my Audi RS6 (Volk VR-G2's, 19x9.5) onto my SL65. Haven't driven it, but fit seems perfect. I love the look of the these wheels and they are light too.

BBS CH-R (20x10.5) with Hankook 305-25-20 is 58lbs.
Volk VR G2(19x9.5) with PSS 275-30-19 is 43lbs.

I guess I know what I am using for my track wheels...for now, until I can get some CCW's...
Hubcentric spacers are on the way. Set of 4, 73.1mm to 66.56mm...$8.99 with free shipping...
They're Hubcentric NO spacers required I have redonk lo lo offsets & huge 18x13 rear wheels only custom ordered.. PS you'll see large Perf increase using the Audi wheels ur saving 15 lbs per corner, unsprung weight savings are much much greater than Static weight savings IE vs cutting weight using lightweight seats/battery etc.. Wheels tires rotors driveshaft weight savings is 4-5X Static weght savings IE 5 X 15 u will in essence slice off upwards of 150 lbs off your car (if saving 15 lbs @ all 4 wheels) every 100 lbs is worth 10hp or so & even more in getting the car to launch etc
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They're Hubcentric NO spacers required I have redonk lo lo offsets & huge 18x13 rear wheels only custom ordered.. PS you'll see large Perf increase using the Audi wheels ur saving 15 lbs per corner, unsprung weight savings are much much greater than Static weight savings IE vs cutting weight using lightweight seats/battery etc.. Wheels tires rotors driveshaft weight savings is 4-5X Static weght savings IE 5 X 15 u will in essence slice off upwards of 150 lbs off your car (if saving 15 lbs @ all 4 wheels) every 100 lbs is worth 10hp or so & even more in getting the car to launch etc

Thanks for the response. I'm a dragracer type (bikes though) so I'm well aware of the benefits of "light". (My GSXR1000 dragbike weighed 365lbs)

I actually bought these wheels to replace my stock RS6 wheels...That deal saved me 10lbs per corner..very noticable too...so the 15lbs is a bonus...They are obviously smaller, so I expected some weight loss...
It should feel fairly light on it's feet now with the Volks...I think some DR's wil be lighter than the PSS's too..So maybe another pound or 2.
Nice to know that you can get the CCW's "hub-ready".
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Thanks Jon..

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Sean...sweet pickup! I've always had good experiences with CCW's! Good luck at the track!
How's your Widebody beast coming along? & yes John @ CCW is great to do business with your past posts & exp w/CCW is why I even considered them
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Is running much much older technology Turbo's nothing like latest GT3076 w/Tial Comp wheels, but it 's still a 200mph trapping car in the mile. Reason the Traps went down in last Mile event was due to a problem in ECU it kept the boost down to just 13 PSI lol the 197.7 mph Trap was utilizing 18-20 PSI the Problem has been fixed & now it runs 20 PSI etc Though again the GT30's are worlds apart in Tech they should run 205+ mph in the mile especially w/E85 tuning

In Theory this all sounds nice.

The problem is not latest TIAL technology.

Turbos were big enough before in terms of Power and I doubt that a little better spooling will bring you much MPH because you are running WOT all the time.

You first must get the car to run as WHOLE Package. And before E85 it must run with Pump Gas.

I would be happy to see some REAL Results on the mile, because I see NO real 200 MPH Mercedes for now.

First Prove, than state it is a 200 MPH car. And if we wanna look closer we have to look at the Tailwind, Taping of the car, used Fuel, ice-trunk in use, mirrors in place etc. Quite difficult to make fair comparisons on the PC.

If you want to try 200 MPH with your own car, I think it will be very hard, because the Widebody-Design and the bigger tires have some serious aerodynamic effect in the second half of the mile.

Perhaps a little better traction in 1st and 2nd but I don't think this will effect MPH at the end of the mile.

I wish you good luck!
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I hear ya & totally agree, real world testing is needed..

Originally Posted by AMG-Driver
In Theory this all sounds nice.

The problem is not latest TIAL technology.

Turbos were big enough before in terms of Power and I doubt that a little better spooling will bring you much MPH because you are running WOT all the time.

You first must get the car to run as WHOLE Package. And before E85 it must run with Pump Gas.

I would be happy to see some REAL Results on the mile, because I see NO real 200 MPH Mercedes for now.

First Prove, than state it is a 200 MPH car. And if we wanna look closer we have to look at the Tailwind, Taping of the car, used Fuel, ice-trunk in use, mirrors in place etc. Quite difficult to make fair comparisons on the PC.

If you want to try 200 MPH with your own car, I think it will be very hard, because the Widebody-Design and the bigger tires have some serious aerodynamic effect in the second half of the mile.

Perhaps a little better traction in 1st and 2nd but I don't think this will effect MPH at the end of the mile.

I wish you good luck!
I forgot 1 big part of the puzzle Soulsearchers older tech Turbos only made 750-760 rwhp & for you to try & simplify the latest Turbos ONLY added benefit is being able to spool up a little faster is well incorrect they make a lot more hp/tq and more importantly hold peak boost & peak hp/tq thru entire RPM band, the hp figures for the gt30's is 850+ rwp on 91 pump ALL these added benefits = more performance everywhere esp in Trap speeds

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what was the CLK wheel you told me to look into for a drag setup?
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Originally Posted by NEMES1S
what was the CLK wheel you told me to look into for a drag setup?
If memory serves 2002-1998 CLK 320 stock wheels 16x7 (all over Egay) you'll need H&R spacer/adapter & have any wheel/machine shop bore out lug holes to match ur sl's lug dia... Then buy Hoosier drag tires 255/50 ---:Trust me they dead hook & this exact combo is what majority of all fastest record holding e55/sl55 cars used to get the job done..

Though I have a near mint setup only run on streets ie only used for couple days on streets, still have 99% tread & clk wheels are mint I painted them matte blk.. May sell em as I bought the ccw setup above etc call me if seriously interested
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Thnx gents... Now when Speedriven sends the turbo upgrades she'll be finally finished.. Really want to exp what 1000 whp feels like (coupled to e85 tune it should be well North of 1k hp)
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Badass. Those motors can hold over 1000whp stock? Still using factory ECU to tune?
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Last night a Nissan GT-R with real 1000 whp gave me a good race on the Autobahn. He could pass me easily but I fighted back really hard. On the streambed i finally got him with the SL.

When I passed him I looked into the GT-R and realized that I was sitting also behind the steering wheel of the GT-R. Suddenly my sprintbooster rang and I woke up and went for a shower to wash away the cold sweat.

I love these cars...
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Factory ECU tune?? lol that was done away w/years ago..

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Badass. Those motors can hold over 1000whp stock? Still using factory ECU to tune?
Yo Ahmad, obviously OEM tune wont work w/these mods.. I can't say w/certainty just what breaking point will be in the motor, but the motor isn't being overly stressed utilizing Speedriven's turbo upgrades it runs no more than 18-24 psi (same as any modded/tuned 600/65 though I've modified my oem diverter valves to squeez out another 2-3 psi & have ran trouble FREE for 1,000's of miles, all m275 engines are Forged from factory. Marko's cl65 ran near 30 psi w/zero motor issues)

To my knowledge Marcin made 870+ rwp & well over 1000 rwtq at ONLY 18-20 psi on 93 pump using the same kit I've ordered/bought, GT3076 housings w/modified Tial wheels, this combo should easily fetch 1k+ whp w/100-116 oct tune & 24-25 psi add e85 & it feasably should be in UGR territory @ 1200+whp but that's all guesstimates until I get the damn kit & really start flirting w/it's limits..

What's up w/your clk? Last I read you were possibly selling & moving on to something else? If ya? What? Any car you get will be pushed to new records no doubt

EDIT: Oh yeah the trans & half-shafts/axles is obviously weak link in ANYTHING over 700-750 rwp, ask me how I know .. Spdrvn's upgraded trans will be purchased as soon as my turbo kit arrives etc..

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Yo Ahmad, obviously OEM tune wont work w/these mods.. I can't say w/certainty just what breaking point will be in the motor, but the motor isn't being overly stressed utilizing Speedriven's turbo upgrades it runs no more than 18-24 psi (same as any modded/tuned 600/65 though I've modified my oem diverter valves to squeez out another 2-3 psi & have ran trouble FREE for 1,000's of miles, all m275 engines are Forged from factory. Marko's cl65 ran near 30 psi w/zero motor issues)

To my knowledge Marcin made 870+ rwp & well over 1000 rwtq at ONLY 18-20 psi on 93 pump using the same kit I've ordered/bought, GT3076 housings w/modified Tial wheels, this combo should easily fetch 1k+ whp w/100-116 oct tune & 24-25 psi add e85 & it feasably should be in UGR territory @ 1200+whp but that's all guesstimates until I get the damn kit & really start flirting w/it's limits..

What's up w/your clk? Last I read you were possibly selling & moving on to something else? If ya? What? Any car you get will be pushed to new records no doubt

EDIT: Oh yeah the trans & half-shafts/axles is obviously weak link in ANYTHING over 700-750 rwp, ask me how I know .. Spdrvn's upgraded trans will be purchased as soon as my turbo kit arrives etc..
Sounds pretty sick. I meant factory ECU not factory tune. Like are these cars running standalone now? Maybe Marcin can set mine up for standalone. I keep going back and forth between selling. Tuning has been a nightmare. If I could get a good tune it will fly.
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Originally Posted by blackbenzz
Sounds pretty sick. I meant factory ECU not factory tune. Like are these cars running standalone now? Maybe Marcin can set mine up for standalone. I keep going back and forth between selling. Tuning has been a nightmare. If I could get a good tune it will fly.
Ahh my bad.. Should've been obvious you meant possible standalone.. No Marcin most def utilizes the Factory ECU... If anyone can make your rig run correctly he has the skill set to do it... Though I better get my turbo kit before he tackles your beast

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Sounds pretty sick. I meant factory ECU not factory tune. Like are these cars running standalone now? Maybe Marcin can set mine up for standalone. I keep going back and forth between selling. Tuning has been a nightmare. If I could get a good tune it will fly.


What are your mods, that no one can tune it? That is exactly my fear with this car. I am spoiled and have my Porsche/Audi tuner local, but now, with this car, I have no one...and that makes me very hesitant to make any changes requiring tuning changes...
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Ahh my bad.. Should've been obvious you meant possible standalone.. No Marcin most def utilizes the Factory ECU... If anyone can make your rig run correctly he has the skill set to do it... Though I better get my turbo kit before he tackles your beast
Oh wow that's awesome. Haha can't wait to see your car run with the bigger turbos! Rocket! Going to Texas next week to play with my friends car
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What are your mods, that no one can tune it? That is exactly my fear with this car. I am spoiled and have my Porsche/Audi tuner local, but now, with this car, I have no one...and that makes me very hesitant to make any changes requiring tuning changes...
It's not that noone can tune it. It is "tuned" right now, it's just having it optimized seems to take alot longer than expected and there have been obstacles (very long story) along the way.I added 4.5psi of boost and ported heads and upgraded all the fueling and tuned it's slower than before. I've swapped everything over to make the car think it is an E55 (deleted MAF etc) and fuel pressure can be adjusted mechanically to even make it easier for tuners.The mod list is pretty long, I won't bore you with it. But at the end of the day its just adjusting fueling and timing right? If I were to be able to go back in time I would have kept my old setup but with the upgraded driveline.
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Thanks for the understandably vague explanation...I am going to put my exhaust back on and focus my efforts on the intake for now. Now that I have seen the inside of the air box, the exhaust is the least of my problems...
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Thanks for the understandably vague explanation...I am going to put my exhaust back on and focus my efforts on the intake for now. Now that I have seen the inside of the air box, the exhaust is the least of my problems...
Btw your car is flying for tune only car
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Btw your car is flying for tune only car
Thanks. I think it's on par with other tune only cars...drag radials make all the difference...I think there is more in it as is, especially now that I have seen the inside of the ridiculous air box...
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Originally Posted by Thericker

To my knowledge Marcin made 870+ rwp & well over 1000 rwtq at ONLY 18-20 psi on 93 pump using the same kit I've ordered/bought, GT3076 housings w/modified Tial wheels, this combo should easily fetch 1k+ whp w/100-116 oct tune & 24-25 psi add e85 & it feasably should be in UGR territory @ 1200+whp but that's all guesstimates until I get the damn kit & really start flirting w/it's limits..
I like your optimism and you are a car nut, as everyone here... That's a good thing.

Maybe Marcin can chime in himself, but you can see the dyno-charts with GT30's on the SL65 on his facebook-side and in this forum:

800whp at 22 PSI and on a mix of PUMP and RACE-Fuel.

I asked him what it would be on 93 Pump and he answered :

"High 600s on pump is no issue for the car, any higher than that and the risk of detonation is to great to push the motor any higher."

I respect this figures, as all his numbers in the thread make sense to me.

As for cranking up the boost further (with positive results) and getting into GT-R territory HP-wise, I would really like to see real dyno-charts, times, and videos.

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Originally Posted by AMG-Driver
I like your optimism and you are a car nut, as everyone here... That's a good thing.

Maybe Marcin can chime in himself, but you can see the dyno-charts with GT30's on the SL65 on his facebook-side and in this forum:

800whp at 22 PSI and on a mix of PUMP and RACE-Fuel.

I asked him what it would be on 93 Pump and he answered :

"High 600s on pump is no issue for the car, any higher than that and the risk of detonation is to great to push the motor any higher."

I respect this figures, as all his numbers in the thread make sense to me.

As for cranking up the boost further (with positive results) and getting into GT-R territory HP-wise, I would really like to see real dyno-charts, times, and videos.
My bad, I've obviously forgotten he added a mix of 93/100 (to my knowledge his race fuel is 100, not 100% sure of ratios )

Yes def agree we're all nutty for hp/tq best legal drug of all time & vidz/dynos are a given I want to see a true 1k hp dyno w/my own

Edit: Found this old post & knew I didn't imagine seeing 850+ dynos..

Originally Posted by Speedriven1
Our V12 Biturbo kit is getting close to being released to the market with 850rwhp, and our 1000+rwhp kit is under development!We are also announcing special tuning and package pricing for the early spring we are having
I only could find this 830 rwhp dyno, but def didn't just pull the 850-870 rwhp dyno result out've the air, I def remember seeing an 850-870 rwhp & 980 rwtq dyno, Speedrivens photo hosting site must've changed or they didn't pay the yearly pic hosting fees & most older content is now gone..


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