blackbenzz

True. And most V12 guys aren't even running 10s...

jrgator

Off topic, but I was in Paris two weeks ago and saw/heard a black One 77. Very cool. That was after seeing an Enzo at the Monaco dealer and a LaFerrari at a very small dealership in Brig, Switzerland.

NEMES1S

Right now I'm battling the p0300 code (multiple misfire) so I'm guessing a 13 would be the tops of my cars abilities.....

Thericker

lol that record of the 65 I mentioned was run on stock turbos... It had pretty minimal mods ecu/drag setup/bigger IC's & switched over to run E85 w/upgraded fuel system Read away
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-24813.html

I've heard from a VERY REPUTABLE SOURCE who has actually seen/touched your rig in person in all its glory, the entire clk is stripped to the bones no interior etc etc please skip the regular lemming Care to fathom the dif in curb weight of your 3k-3500 lb clk to SL55?? & what effect that reality would have on the much heavier SL55 dwn that 1/4 hmm..

blackbenzz

Shows how well the big turbo cars perform then if a stock turbo car has the record lol

Name this very reputable source you claim. I had the back seats out and passenger seat out last time at the track. Stripped to the bones my ***! Funny how it's always the people that have never seen my car that have **** to say or talk behind my back m tell your very reputable source to man up. I have a full weight battery, factory radio, speakers, ac, power steering, even the ****in powered rear shade. I weighed my car and it's not 3000 pounds lol. I've ADDED weight to the car from factory...

V12TTenthusiast

Only big turbo V12 I ever saw with a time slip was dynodaddy's and that was 10.6 on a 600 motor, I always what ever happened to the car. As for overall V12 record its SGC's CL65 10.27 but that was intake/exhaust/renntech monolite 18s on rear/93-100 mix/lowered suspension/and CF driveshaft.

But I think the V12's overall have done 19/86 of the over all 10s and under record and considering the weight of these cars being 4500 lbs+ and only avalible to S/SL/CL compared to the other cars that have V8's that are found in SL/S/CL/E/CLK/C/CLS/SLR/SLS, and still having over still having 20% of the records isn't bad when u consider how limited the V12's are.

Plus most can only do intake/exhaust/tune/LSD on these V12s, on these V8's we have different kinds of pulleys, throttle bodies, headers, cams, supercharger upgrade on top of the intake/exhaust/tune.

I really wish someone had cams for these cars, or someone finally managed to pull off a big turbo kit, or at least a way to put a better flowing header onto the turbo.

But saying not many V12s break into 10s isn't necessary true.

V12TTenthusiast

Last time I saw this car it was NOT stripped which was right around the time he did his pass before the new motor was needed and I saw this car in person, interior is all there with AC and stuff and the fuel cell was swapped if I remember right. Like he said it was just seats that was removed.

sound 8

Talk about added weight, I hate to carry passengers, I can feel their weight
slowing me down. Also there is your own weight, a guy weighing 130 lbs is
definitely going quicker than my 230lbs drags me down.
Lastly I think/know there is rivalry between V8 and V12 owners. The V12
owners have this air of superiority about them, I know the feeling, but let's
face it the more money you throw at it the more power you will get. Just
for curiosity the fastest SL I had was a 63 bi turbo with a re map, god that
was quick. Another reason the V12 can be disappointing, and I have had 3
65's and 1 600 is their gearbox, it lets the engine down, it's lazy and stops
you using that 600-700 bhp, whereas the nat assip 63 makes up for no turbo
by having the most responsive g/box with lightening change and kick down.
S8

blackbenzz

Thank you This coming from someone that has actually seen the car. Fuel cell was ADDED. I still have the factory tank in place. Which is why I find it funny that all these haters talk **** about my car being stripped down completely. Should see these other cars with records lol

People also seem to forget that my car came NA from the factory. Think adding a blower and trunk tank might add a little weight? How about a bigger diff and axles that weigh a lot? Any doubters can come watch me run not run their mouths behind the scenes and lie to others to try and discredit what I've done

F1BHP

It is pointless talking about different levels of mods for time records. In my mind a car is bone stock or it is modified.

I think very few V12's are actually put on the track so I think as previously said the % of fast times set by the V12's must mean something especially when they are carrying more weight in general

Ekselent

I didn't bought my SL with confidence which of them is the fastest....
I bought the SL600 because the engine ... V12 Biturbo. Easy to mod.
For me the V8 55 AMG is "my little brother" and does not matter if it is a tiny bit faster than V12 if there is al.

AMG-Driver

Is there any 55 remarkbly over 180 MPH in 1mile? Give the V12 enough track to shine...1/4 mile is overrated in my opinion, because of limited traction, ESP Traction control limiting etc.

Thericker

Great point.. Soul Searchers SL600 ran 197.7 mph in the mile on the 3-4 year older less efficient GT turbs vs what they have today a full turbo modded GT30/35 65/600 will easily eclipse the 200 mph mile mark... Show me a NON nitrous 55k EVEN matching the 197.7 mph mile Ahmad

Got any vidz or 55k like this?? not running Nitrous Hmm nope...
http://speedriven.wpengine.com/2015/...mercedes-benz/

Havoc

This stock SLR ran 179 mph in the 1 mile..

blackbenzz

Did I say the v12 isn't fast? You have 4 more cylinders and 2 snails. I just said the 55 holds its own.

So who's this "VERY REPUTABLE SOURCE" so his/her true reputation can be revealed

gwelliott

The silence is deafening......

Thericker

Really? the 600 that ran 197.7 in mile is basically the same exact size 5.5 liter you're using lol even the 65 isn't a huge big block, it isn't even a true 6.0 liter it's 5,980 w/relatively small 365 CI

You also said plenty more on how easily a 55k motor/build like yours would EASILY break any 65/600 record, I didn't mention the cl65 records even though they are perfectly comparable due to same engine/same barge weight etc. SGC ran 10.2x @ nearly 140mph a mere 2 tenths off your record in a clk with 750 whp weighing 500-1000 lbs less? SGC's 1/8 was 109 mph
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...lip-20351.html

Using STOCK TURBOS nonetheless & basic mods w/bunch of unsprung weight reduction, just like you use w/CF drv shaft, etc & even less whp than your claimed 750+ whp SGC only had 708 whp & ran in 1400+ DA @ PBIR in 75 deg what were the ambient air temps on your record run?? Like I noted v12 tq of 800-850+ really helps overcome big curb weight etc etc..

He described your build down to the home speaker wire used in some of the engine loom, no reason to add his name here for you to go off on.. You obviously think you're the fastest/best/etc here so no reason to take this further.. I tried broaching your 1st comments w/plenty of but you take offense to any Mb claiming to run better etc...I'm over it

cnterline

blackbenzz

Yes really. I said a V12 has 4 more cylinders than a V8. It's pretty simple. I stand by that. And just as an FYI I was only running 17PSI of boost and have only had 1 day of tuning at the track with the new motor (no dyno) and the alignment was so bad the outside 2 or 3" of the tire were not even making contact to the ground. Just wait for the fall, can't wait to hear all the new excuses for the new records

Get your facts straight. I said the SL record (not 600/65 record) could easily be broken by a SL55 if it had my motor in it considering Kevin is only a few hundredths of a second away from the record as is and will take that record soon enough

Now I use home speaker wire in my engine loom? Put your money where your mouth is. I have a Weistec SC, custom carrillo rods, darton sleeves, etc etc and I used home speaker wire in my engine loom? How would this person even know what wire I used in my engine loom?

Of course there is a reason to name your source. Matter of fact that's the accepted way of doing things when you want to make a claim and show it has substance. Otherwise people can be like you and say whatever they want and say it's from a reliable source. Show me the speaker wire in my engine loom. As you can see I even have the secondary air injection in place...



I don't take offense to MB or any car running better than mine (I don't claim to the be the best either). I take offense to baseless accusations from people that hide and aren't man enough to say it themselves. They use you (someone who has NEVER seen my car) as their puppet and you're easily controlled. Unless this "VERY RELIABLE" source is a figment of your imagination or an alternate personality of yours. Obviously not very reliable source if you wont say their name. Maybe one day you will run your car and not your mouth, I hope that happens.

I apologize to V12TTenthusiast for getting sidetracked in this thread but I'm not one to let people talk without correcting them. I look forward to your results and you are always welcome to go to the track with me

mr747

You can't please everyone my friend don't waste your time

RaceHorse

I'm a little late to the off "track" conversation, but when comparing the 2 platforms the V12TTs pick up so much with just a tune, which has always surprised many. Both cars add the same cooling mods, of supplemental heat exchanges, trunk tanks and replacement or additional pumps. Exhaust mods, headers or downpipes along with cold air intake become huge in allowing either stock forced induction system to function efficiently.

From there most run out of options for affordable mass produced mods on the V12TT. The various pulley setups, larger throttle body, and modified or aftermarket superchargers allow the 55s to manipulate/manage and maintain boost. Yes, some have been successful in out performing the V12TT. Its has been seen on the 230 platform but not the 215, or 220 platform, probably not the same mods.

Its been said a thousand times, the stock manifolds become the choke point of the V12TTs. Since no other cars have been able to come close to matching Renntech's 65 trap or ET, I think there is more to that has remained a mystery. Its time for some more one off turbo/ exhaust manifolds to be made before you will see an big jump of power in the 65. Anyone can have it made if they are willing to pay, It would be interesting to see more and a different tuners approach and gains.

To me, here in America, the 1/4 mile time is more important, than the 1 mile top speed. There are no places in my day to day real world driving that would allow me show off my cars top end. The 60-130 is the best measure of performance. Most platforms can manage traction issues from that speed, then see what car pulls harder. I may have to show my face again at the track this fall and see if my car has a 130+ trap. With either platform, the fast cars require a lot of passion, hard work and fists full of money to get there. The difference becomes what type of power delivery one prefers.

RaceHorse

I have also seen the CLK, its not stripped, the weight of the mods to support the power starts to adds up. Just the water weight alone from a trunk tank can be close to 50 lbs. Then he has at least 3 or 4 solar dancing flowers on the dash, probably close to another pound right there.

Thericker

Maybe you fixed it cleaned it up? & ya I made it up You know exactly who I'd be talking about, who do we both know that's worked tuned both our rigs??? I wasn't going to bring him into this but 1 thing you need too straighten out I'm not making krap up etc this was told to me verbatim, the car was stripped w/no interior & had home speaker wire either in the loom or connecting other electrical systems in the car (not to the stereo lol) I didn't broach this to put you/your rig dwn it was brought up 1st due to your stating you run/ran your 10.0 @ 140 watvr mph it was w/FULL WEIGHT FULL INTERIOR.. the guy I'm talking about is the most standup kool/honest etc etc tuner I've EVER had the pleasure to work with & count as a great personal friend..

You kept pecking on & on who? who?? so I added the Speaker wire info in hopes you alone would finally get who I was talking about.. I already know you think he wrecked your engine etc but your track record w/aNY/ALL tuners speaks volumes besides EC any/everyone inc Weistec who's touched/tuned your rig you've blamed for some level of damage to your rigs perf.. Go ahead deny it, I'll fish up every last slanderous post you've shoveled on every other tuner that's touched your rig.. You know that list is HUGE..

AMG-Driver

My point was Race-Horses CL65 hit 190 MPH in 1Mile and this is with 640 whp and STOCK Turbos.All 55 I know of seem to hit a wall at approx.180 MPH in 1mile,no matter with how much mods. At higher speeds the V12 is pulling really strong...

blackbenzz

I'm getting sick of going back and forth trying to clear up bs you keep spewing. Whether you made it up out the "tuner" it's bs. I still don't know who you're talking about because what you're saying doesn't add up. You live in cali, I live in md. How cab the same person work on both our cars? No tuner has done mechanical work on my car that I can remember. There is no spesker wire in my engine bay, where is this supposedly? Please back it up with proof. Just say the person's name so everyone knows who talks **** behind their customers back and smiles in their face and so I know not to deal with this person.

I stand by every claim I've made. If I said the number I ran that day was with full interior then guess what? It was. I never claimed my last pass was full interior, if I did show me where I said that. I did run full interior before and was running deep 10s when I did. Keep in mind I drive my car to and from the track and I usually have to take the seats out to fit everything I need in the car.

I won't kero going back and forth with you and your baseless accusations. Either have the tuner chime in or provide proof. Otherwise you're just full of **** and nothing I can do to stop you from continuing to spew bs.

What has your car run anyway???