So who in his right mind then will pay $200k let alone $1mln?!
SLR/C199/R199/Z199: SLRs not selling, whats the deal?
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plus the exchange rate must be killer, considering you probably don't have to pay tax if you export the car. But you are probably left with a grey market car that has km/h speedos and a bunch of other MBcanada stuff. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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To be fair I think the SLR is in the same category as the Enzo and Carrera GT and therefore the MSRP's are more in line than say a 65 or Porsche turbo, Ferrari 430 etc. I also think the SLR will be collectable 20 years from now especially if the dilution of the McClaren MB relationship remains. I also agree the car has poor side proportions which I'm sure benefits the weight distribution of the car. What ever happened to the drop top version of this car?
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Why is it not selling....
Well I think there are a number of reasons:
1. not many people own a petrol company to afford it being taken down the road.
2. It is way overpriced for what it is - for that price i would at least expect it to fly as well
3. Mercedes is very highly rated for it's reliability (in a sarcastic voice) hence when it breaks down, which I have no doubt it will, the person does not want to have to drive the A-class which you would get as a loaner whilst it is being fixed (sorry to all you A-class drivers!)
4. Whilst some men need a ***** replacement no man is that small that they need the SLR and let's face it what woman would be able to handle the power (that's a joke before all the feminists complain!)
Yep - i think that about explains that.
1. not many people own a petrol company to afford it being taken down the road.
2. It is way overpriced for what it is - for that price i would at least expect it to fly as well
3. Mercedes is very highly rated for it's reliability (in a sarcastic voice) hence when it breaks down, which I have no doubt it will, the person does not want to have to drive the A-class which you would get as a loaner whilst it is being fixed (sorry to all you A-class drivers!)
4. Whilst some men need a ***** replacement no man is that small that they need the SLR and let's face it what woman would be able to handle the power (that's a joke before all the feminists complain!)
Yep - i think that about explains that.
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Uhmmm...could it be the economy???
For starters..
"Maybe they are buying the Porsche Carrera GT"
NOpe. They are not. In fact, recent articles about the GT are saying that due to lack of sales, they have halted production on the porsche carrera GT cars.
The same is happening for the SLR.
THe other counter argument is "well what about the Enzo..it sold out!"
Well yes..because there are less than 300 of them. And also, the owners were already accounted for before production even hit. Ferrari hand selected the owners of the cars who already owned F40s and F50s. They made SURE they sold out and didn't have this problem. These Enzos cars were stickered at 2million with about a 1.3milliion dollar markup (originally to be 6-7hundredk) and still sold.
In contrast, the GT production numbers were to be about more than a thousand cars and the SLR into the 3 thousands.
Both Porche and Mercedes have markups for the GT and the SLR.
You can't just isolate them as being non sellers because of their supercar status.
The SL65 is not selling...the Aston Martin Vanquish is not selling...the Maybach is not selling.
It's not the "it's not a "supercar" rubbish. It's the "hey...we're all getting screwed financially and the country's about to REALLy rip us off w/the next economic bubble bursting"....so even the richest folks are not willing to fork down half a mill on a car that's not going to give them equal return if times go rough...(like the enzo).
Mark up or not.
The SLR's a great car. IT's also not a priority such as the 65, the Carrera GT(which has a sucky 1st gear)...and any others cars in the 300k plus zone.
Let's just get real on what's going on here.
It ain't about the cars.
"Maybe they are buying the Porsche Carrera GT"
NOpe. They are not. In fact, recent articles about the GT are saying that due to lack of sales, they have halted production on the porsche carrera GT cars.
The same is happening for the SLR.
THe other counter argument is "well what about the Enzo..it sold out!"
Well yes..because there are less than 300 of them. And also, the owners were already accounted for before production even hit. Ferrari hand selected the owners of the cars who already owned F40s and F50s. They made SURE they sold out and didn't have this problem. These Enzos cars were stickered at 2million with about a 1.3milliion dollar markup (originally to be 6-7hundredk) and still sold.
In contrast, the GT production numbers were to be about more than a thousand cars and the SLR into the 3 thousands.
Both Porche and Mercedes have markups for the GT and the SLR.
You can't just isolate them as being non sellers because of their supercar status.
The SL65 is not selling...the Aston Martin Vanquish is not selling...the Maybach is not selling.
It's not the "it's not a "supercar" rubbish. It's the "hey...we're all getting screwed financially and the country's about to REALLy rip us off w/the next economic bubble bursting"....so even the richest folks are not willing to fork down half a mill on a car that's not going to give them equal return if times go rough...(like the enzo).
Mark up or not.
The SLR's a great car. IT's also not a priority such as the 65, the Carrera GT(which has a sucky 1st gear)...and any others cars in the 300k plus zone.
Let's just get real on what's going on here.
It ain't about the cars.
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Actuallly there are 399 enzos or 400 (the extra 1 will be built and auctioned off for the sunami victims). They stickered for 660k all original owners payed msrp, the market price was 1.2-1.3 million but never 2 million. The profit went to the individual owners not ferrari. As far as the slr goes there are several reasons the cars are not selling, one the 3500 cars they are to produce over a 7 year period. I know they said mclaren and mercedes were not going to make any new models together, but I guess they will finish the production run for the slr. 2nd, the car is no bargain at 450 let alone the crazy prices some of the dealers are asking. The SL 65 is not to far behind in performance and his half the price, plus its convertible. People I have spoke to who own both the enzo and the slr say the enzo is twice the car the slr is. I think if the slr would have been what gordan murray and the people at mclaren originally intended it to be it would have sold much better. Sadly if you look around you can buy the slr for msrp and soon below msrp. Think about all those people who paid 800-1million for car in september. $400-500k loss in 8 months, thats insane. The slr will never be a collectors item, too many will be built, I guess in another year you sould be able to buy one for low 3's and high 2's.
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Originally Posted by ajf1
Actuallly there are 399 enzos or 400 (the extra 1 will be built and auctioned off for the sunami victims). They stickered for 660k all original owners payed msrp, the market price was 1.2-1.3 million but never 2 million. The profit went to the individual owners not ferrari. As far as the slr goes there are several reasons the cars are not selling, one the 3500 cars they are to produce over a 7 year period. I know they said mclaren and mercedes were not going to make any new models together, but I guess they will finish the production run for the slr. 2nd, the car is no bargain at 450 let alone the crazy prices some of the dealers are asking. The SL 65 is not to far behind in performance and his half the price, plus its convertible. People I have spoke to who own both the enzo and the slr say the enzo is twice the car the slr is. I think if the slr would have been what gordan murray and the people at mclaren originally intended it to be it would have sold much better. Sadly if you look around you can buy the slr for msrp and soon below msrp. Think about all those people who paid 800-1million for car in september. $400-500k loss in 8 months, thats insane. The slr will never be a collectors item, too many will be built, I guess in another year you sould be able to buy one for low 3's and high 2's.
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Originally Posted by NOTKTS
Exactly what Im waiting for... but people buy these cars because they can! Not because there good cars, but its mearly a display of your wealth. Me personaly I would get rid of my Lambo if the SLR was 295 mabey even 320. And the Enzo is a beast, but look at the new twin turbo S7 60 in 2.8 seconds. A good friend of mine will be taking deliverly on a Bugatti Veyron 16.4 sometime next year. That car is worth 1.3 million come on 1001Hp and 252Mph this show the Enzo where the wild goose goes if you catch what Im saying... And why buy these when you can get a Ford GT for 185,000 now that will be a collectors car. There is also the Pagani Zonda F for a mere 350K...
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Originally Posted by ajf1
I agree, people buy these car to show who has the biggest **** but i think performance is a factor. I think these manufacturers try to have their cake and eat it too, produce a special edition high dollar car and then try to build a ton of them to make $$. We all know that doesnt work but in special cases and it always leads back to ferrari. I was talking to someone today about this and they brought up the f40, when they first came out they ferrari only produced a few hundred but demand was so great they ended up pumping out 1300-1500 (dont know exact numbers). Even then they still sold for over sticker and continue today, some 13 years later. The other cars you mentioned the saleen, even with the twin turbos, nobody cares, you can go get one for msrp all day and for sure back msrp. The zonda is nice but its not easily imported into the states. I think the bugatti will have a strong demand just for its mind blowing stats, but I have a feeling they may drop, its going to be a heavy car, more of a drag racer than a track car. Where they hell are you going to drive it? Someone should start a pool to see how many people will wrap theirs around a pole. I think the enzo would probably win around a track versus the bugatti, due to the extreme weight i think its like 4000lbs or more. No tkts you have a pm.
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I red somewhere it broke the 400kph! First production car to do that!
Originally Posted by NOTKTS
The Bugatti weighs 4300lbs heavy but still will get to 60 in under 3 about 2.8. I cant wait for it to claim its throne :v !
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Originally Posted by IngenereAMG
The car is butt ugly
http://www.automanias.nl/foto%20van%...us%20SLR/1.php
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Originally Posted by NOTKTS
the new twin turbo S7 60 in 2.8 seconds. A good friend of mine will be taking deliverly on a Bugatti Veyron 16.4 sometime next year. That car is worth 1.3 million come on 1001Hp and 252Mph
Ask for the veyron I wouldnt feel comfortable in that thing lol. Look at all the screw ups and delays the car has made bugatti a joke. The highest it will reach due to unstability is 218 and will most likely be governed as well. If you want a record setter look at the Koenigsegg CCR world record topspeed holder.
