E55 Vs. Lexus
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Originally Posted by Braheem
The new Lexus IS350 has a 3.5 Litre with 325 HP and will probably still be as reliable as our old 91 LS400 with over 300K.
I can tell you this, I don't run across to many Lexus with more than 200,000 anywhere... I guess I run a different circle where people dump their older cars... but I DO see a lot of 240D and 300D in very respectable condition with 300,000+ miles on original engines.
Also, know this.. Lexus maintenance IS VERY expensive compared to MB, a lot of this is because Lexus changes out a lot of fluids at higher intervals than MB... MB for what ever reason is trying to make their maintenance cheaper to compete which is a bad idea IMHO. I for one changed my oil at 1000 miles, then again at 3000, and now every 6500 miles with Delvac, while they only "recommend" Synth 0w-40 every 13000 miles! They also don't service the transmission (You can bet I will at 50K), and they don't change out radiator fluid for 70K I believe... I'll be flushing and replacing at 30K.. brakes are the only one I can find on my car, and that's at 2 years..
Take care of a benz right, break it in right, and it will last for ever.. baring any electronic problems (90% of all problems on the E are electronic).
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Originally Posted by Braheem
325hp / 3.5 litres = 92.86 reliable HP per Litre
=> 92.86 HP x 5.5 Litres = 511 HP (preferrably reliable, if not too much to ask)
=> 92.86 HP x 5.5 Litres = 511 HP (preferrably reliable, if not too much to ask)
this too is an engineering fallacy.. I will use aviation engines as an example: The Rolls Royce Griffin engine is a V12 that displaces 36.2 liters and produces a "mere" 1500hp stock or 41hp per liter... but Reno racers have them pushing 6000hp (160hp/liter) with heavy mods, but they rebuild them often.. You don't get HP without sacrificing reliability. PERIOD.
AMG cars that produce 469hp have 4yr/50K warranty on them... your souped up
car has no such animal.
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Originally Posted by CE750
you assume... let time tell.
I can tell you this, I don't run across to many Lexus with more than 200,000 anywhere... I guess I run a different circle where people dump their older cars... but I DO see a lot of 240D and 300D in very respectable condition with 300,000+ miles on original engines.
Also, know this.. Lexus maintenance IS VERY expensive compared to MB.
I can tell you this, I don't run across to many Lexus with more than 200,000 anywhere... I guess I run a different circle where people dump their older cars... but I DO see a lot of 240D and 300D in very respectable condition with 300,000+ miles on original engines.
Also, know this.. Lexus maintenance IS VERY expensive compared to MB.
As for the Maintenance Issue my 90K service which included all new belts, replace waterpump, replace plugs, replace timing belt and ALL fluids in the car as well as rear end cost $1200.
Any idea the price for an MB for the same service?
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Originally Posted by CE750
Also, know this.. Lexus maintenance IS VERY expensive compared to MB, a lot of this is because Lexus changes out a lot of fluids at higher intervals than MB... MB for what ever reason is trying to make their maintenance cheaper to compete which is a bad idea IMHO.
Lexus does not have all inclusive service like MB or BMW, but basic items (oil change, winshield replacement, water pumps, etc) are much cheaper when I leave the Lexus dealership. I kept my BMW 740i sport (2001 model) just past the warranty period and it was still cheaper to own then my MB E55.
I just tried to replace my gear changer faceplate (don't know what else to call it, it's the silver colored area that lays flat and has your gear shifter in the middle of it on the '03-'05 E's.) and was quoted $400 to simply replace that part. I opted not to and will just live with the tiny mark that was put on there by my car wash location.
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Originally Posted by Braheem
I have already stated that is not my video earlier.
A little reading would do you some good before you insult someone, in the end it's only a *******g car no need to get personal.
A little reading would do you some good before you insult someone, in the end it's only a *******g car no need to get personal.
[QUOTE=Braheem]In my family we have had 3 Ls400's with over 200K)
This is what I am speaking of get it ? your rice box ls400s.. understand ? Perhaps you should do "A little reading" dog.
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I don't remember what website I got it from, but the site went out of their way to say how EXPENSIVE Lexus service is... the SUV may not be the case since it's close to the Toyota mechanically, the LS430 may.. I don't know... I do know my CDI is going to cost less than $3100 in service over it's 5 year warranty period if I do every thing by the book.
That said, the issue here isn't RELIABILITY.. it's which car is better? I've made this analogy a dozen times already... but here goes..
Lexus=Seiko
MB=Rolex
RollsRoyce=Patek Philippe
ANY one who knows ANYTHING about watches will tell you that a Seiko is more reliable than the Rolex, which in turn is more reliable than the Patek...
BUT..
Anyone with 1/2 a brain will take the $210,000 Patek Philippe 10-Day/T over a $3500 Rolex, and that in turn would be taken over a $350 Seiko!
Get it?
That said, the issue here isn't RELIABILITY.. it's which car is better? I've made this analogy a dozen times already... but here goes..
Lexus=Seiko
MB=Rolex
RollsRoyce=Patek Philippe
ANY one who knows ANYTHING about watches will tell you that a Seiko is more reliable than the Rolex, which in turn is more reliable than the Patek...
BUT..
Anyone with 1/2 a brain will take the $210,000 Patek Philippe 10-Day/T over a $3500 Rolex, and that in turn would be taken over a $350 Seiko!
Get it?
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Braheem, pretty much all you've done is bash and provoke. While Lexus and Toyota product are reliable (I have an '86 Corolla GT-S still going strong w/ 250k miles) they have become soulless. I love Toyota, but I wont buy another until they make a groundbreaking vehicle like the Supra. If we compare to Japanese cars, the Infiniti range is much more enjoyable and sporty to drive than the Lexus/Toyota. I would buy a G35 before I'd ever consider an IS based simply on the driving feel.
You can quote 100hp per litre all you want, but where the hell is Lexus's 5.0 litre 500hp car? Oh, that's right, you can't get reliable 600hp on pump gas without turbocharging and reinforcing the bottom end of the Lexus.
You can quote 100hp per litre all you want, but where the hell is Lexus's 5.0 litre 500hp car? Oh, that's right, you can't get reliable 600hp on pump gas without turbocharging and reinforcing the bottom end of the Lexus.
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Originally Posted by dgussin1
no...only 1 e55 does low 11's modded and he has a lot of mods and a 75+ shot of nitrous.
We've talked about this type of video before, and who gives a ****. I could make a Ford Festiva faster than an E55 too, in the end one is a $30k entry level Lexus and the other is a $90k premium german sedan.
The E55 is far supeior car in stock form than ANY IS300 will ever be, I don't care if it can take you to the moon. Before you go on thinking I don't know about 2JZ motors (as most people tend to think when I bash them) go look for my name on http://www.T04R.com
There is also something to be said about being fast, 93 octane stock, and under warranty versus fast, race fuel modified, and on your own.
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Originally Posted by Braheem
...and it's a beautiful car, my beef is that Lexus has the same HP to litre ratio and gets 300K miles out of thier engines without breaking a sweat.
It seems that you only listen to the sound bites. MB has had reliability problems..
In electronics not the motors, I have heard almost 0 issues with the motors on this and the other MB board and I drive the car like I stole it every day and have had 0 issues as well.
btw hp/ltr is only one, minute, aspect of performance. I have driven a ton of Lexus (Lexi??) (two good friends with a 400 and 430) and they are SOFT, handle very poorly (and the E55 is not excellent here, but the Lexus makes it look like it) and not only doesn't brake well, but fades in no time.
If you want to bash, and have some semblance of credibility, talk about Lexus vs MB in service.... now we're all nodding with you
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I wouldn't be so blind as to say that Lexus is above Mercedes.
Sure the old Lexus LS400's were wonderful cars for relatively cheap money. However, IMHO, the new Lexus's are crap boxes.
The leather is falling apart after 60K miles, the paint is chipping off the hoods(the LS400 NEVER had this problem), the vision SUCKS, the controls are complicated, and it's an arc of a car. Not to mention it has about as much soul as a human corpse.
All that, plus it costs over $70K base.
Sure the old Lexus LS400's were wonderful cars for relatively cheap money. However, IMHO, the new Lexus's are crap boxes.
The leather is falling apart after 60K miles, the paint is chipping off the hoods(the LS400 NEVER had this problem), the vision SUCKS, the controls are complicated, and it's an arc of a car. Not to mention it has about as much soul as a human corpse.
All that, plus it costs over $70K base.
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Lexus cars have no soul???
C'mon people, step back, get some perspective here...
that little SLK-wannabe coupe with the foldaway hardtop's pretty cute.
likewise, that big 4-door that looks like a cross between a 90's S500 and a 2000 cadillac Deville...
and that mid-level car they make - you know, the one with those nifty 4-headlights that looks like an E-class - that's a pretty nice one too.
plenty o' soul in those designs. whose soul? well, you never said anything about that!
i'm not saying... but, well, uh, i'm only sayin'...
that little SLK-wannabe coupe with the foldaway hardtop's pretty cute.
likewise, that big 4-door that looks like a cross between a 90's S500 and a 2000 cadillac Deville...
and that mid-level car they make - you know, the one with those nifty 4-headlights that looks like an E-class - that's a pretty nice one too.
plenty o' soul in those designs. whose soul? well, you never said anything about that!
i'm not saying... but, well, uh, i'm only sayin'...
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Originally Posted by CE750
What are you saying? 
the lexus cars have no soul. yeah, i agree.
in fact, in my opinion, the lexus coupe is a total benz slk rip off.
the lexus ls large sedan of current vintage is a total benz s-class ripoff that also has strong cadillac DTS overtones. older lexus ls sedans are obvious apings of older benz s-class sedans, recognized by just about anyone who's ever seen both makers' cars. further, the front end of the lexus GS sedans looks suspiciously 'borrowed' from the mercedes e-class design studio.
none of this is rocket-science revelation. then again, i wasn't claiming it was. in fact, if anything, i was stating the obvious.
the last bit that you highlighted was really just a ham-handed shoulder-shrugging way of saying "hey, i'm not trying to wade into some bullsh flame-war over which manufacturer makes the better vehicle." i don't own their stock, and frankly, i don't care. i like the e55 i drive and i'm not a big fan of japanese cars (grew up in detroit in the 1980's), but if the japanese brought out the "killer car" and benz/bimmer/whoever couldn't keep up, i'm not that proud that i wouldn't consider it. but they have yet to do so!
(edited to sound like less of a d**khead)
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Originally Posted by benzondubz
The only problem is you are riding in that ugly lexus= . shorty.
. shorty.Word, GG. Word. Lexus was a "name" created by Toyota to sucker Americans like our underage fan Braheem.
I got my little cousin's Honda Civic, took off the Honda emblem and labeled it a new name, "Fooz," complete with F emblem and everything. Please ignore all the Honda emblems on the engine and doors, just like initial Lexus owners ignored all the Toyota emblems on their engine and doors.
The point is, I don't respect imitators and copycats. Sh*t, I respect a hater more than an imitator.
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Do me a favor, everyone with a michael douglas pic as your hero, go become one instead of trying to act like one.
Secondly, you dont know my ago so please dont talk down to me like you know me, you drive a clk430? I had one, very disappointing, rear end sounded like it was from a mustang with all the whining, no insulation to at least hide the road noise and to top it off the sunroof molding started to fall on my head even tho it's probably the least touched thing in the car.
Thirdly, again this is only a car forum please try to realize there's more important things in the world, it'll do you good.
Fourthly, I'd rather be driving a Toyota over a Dodge any day of the week.
Jaguar (Ford)
Mercedes(dodge)
Lexus(toyota)
Which would you drive? If you didnt have to impress everyone around you into thinking you're michael douglas?
Secondly, you dont know my ago so please dont talk down to me like you know me, you drive a clk430? I had one, very disappointing, rear end sounded like it was from a mustang with all the whining, no insulation to at least hide the road noise and to top it off the sunroof molding started to fall on my head even tho it's probably the least touched thing in the car.
Thirdly, again this is only a car forum please try to realize there's more important things in the world, it'll do you good.
Fourthly, I'd rather be driving a Toyota over a Dodge any day of the week.
Jaguar (Ford)
Mercedes(dodge)
Lexus(toyota)
Which would you drive? If you didnt have to impress everyone around you into thinking you're michael douglas?
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Originally Posted by Braheem
Fourthly, I'd rather be driving a Toyota over a Dodge any day of the week.
That said, you are right... no need to personally attack you. The Toyota is enough of a target for us.
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Originally Posted by CE750
There are NO parts from Dodge or Chrysler in any MB made or sold today.... There are indeed MB parts in Chrysler cars
LOL, ya they give out GERMAN ENGINEERED & BUILT PARTS FOR FREE with every dodge purchase.
Next thing you know the Vin numbers on Dodges are gonna start with a W.
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Originally Posted by Braheem
Fourthly, I'd rather be driving a Toyota over a Dodge any day of the week.
Mercedes(dodge)
Mercedes(dodge)
Are you saying that when a company that has been in business for over a hundred years, has become the industry standard and is basically responsible for the development of the internal combustion engine, purchases another company that is on the brink of bankruptcy and financial dissolution (who the US government refused to bail out), that the buyer assumes the qualities of the company it bought?? That means you are saying that every little company that Microsoft and AOL purchased are now the embodiment of those two corporate juggernauts.
I don't like to call names, but you are an idiot savant. Stick to the video games, high sugar and sodium snack treats and masturbating to downloaded ****!!
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Originally Posted by Braheem
Do me a favor, everyone with a michael douglas pic as your hero, go become one instead of trying to act like one.
Secondly, you dont know my ago so please dont talk down to me like you know me, you drive a clk430? I had one, very disappointing, rear end sounded like it was from a mustang with all the whining, no insulation to at least hide the road noise and to top it off the sunroof molding started to fall on my head even tho it's probably the least touched thing in the car.
Thirdly, again this is only a car forum please try to realize there's more important things in the world, it'll do you good.
Fourthly, I'd rather be driving a Toyota over a Dodge any day of the week.
Jaguar (Ford)
Mercedes(dodge)
Lexus(toyota)
Which would you drive? If you didnt have to impress everyone around you into thinking you're michael douglas?
Secondly, you dont know my ago so please dont talk down to me like you know me, you drive a clk430? I had one, very disappointing, rear end sounded like it was from a mustang with all the whining, no insulation to at least hide the road noise and to top it off the sunroof molding started to fall on my head even tho it's probably the least touched thing in the car.
Thirdly, again this is only a car forum please try to realize there's more important things in the world, it'll do you good.
Fourthly, I'd rather be driving a Toyota over a Dodge any day of the week.
Jaguar (Ford)
Mercedes(dodge)
Lexus(toyota)
Which would you drive? If you didnt have to impress everyone around you into thinking you're michael douglas?
I drive a toyota and a mercedes and can tell you that you are severly mistaken. Id take the 300 C SRT8 over any lexus any day.
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Originally Posted by Evil Duffman
I drive a toyota and a mercedes and can tell you that you are severly mistaken. Id take the 300 C SRT8 over any lexus any day.
You can brag all you want about hp-per-litre, but i dont see any Lexus cars making anywhere near 425hp.
Its not how you make the power so much as how much you have. I'll take a 425hp 6.1 litre V8 over a 300hp 3.5 litre V6 anyday.
Not to mention it actually has personality, unlike the Toyota/Lexus line-up. And the build quality and fit and finish is quite good. Have you noticed that no recent Lexus has finished first in any comparison?
Why? Because they are so damn bland and boring!!!
