Braheem

1. You should have sat it out, cause 2. you proved my point reight there in your bold caption, do you truly believe Mercedes is following the same work ethic and philosophy that got to deserve your previous statement TODAY?

There are people on this board complaining thier car didnt make it 3000 miles without having to go in for service.

Mercedes has the option to make a 180 degree turn and either run it's business efficiently (meaning reliable cars the 1st time) or get back to what they did best by creating the standard by which all other cars were judged.

If Mercedes was an employee of mine that was neither working efficiently nor putting out consistantly the best quality work. Mercedes would be fired, If you poeple are too arrogant to see the obvious maybe I should be banned from these boards.

A healthy dialogue is not the intention of many people on this board. I;m assuming if I told you the Lexus, Acura and Infiniti Navigation and electronics are far superior and more user friendly then MB you would probably tell me it's because thier drivers are not as smart as the MB owners

Braheem

Thank you for pointing out that Lexus does not have driving excitement, something I can agree with what I find hard to believe is that you're impressed by a 6.1 litre motor making 425 hp????

The new IS 0-60 is 5.1 seconds (3.5 litre 325 RELIABLE HP)
Quarter in 13.7 seconds

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=9

You truly believe that If Toyota didnt want to ruin it's bland everyday bulletproof reliable image they couldnt produce an 11 second stock car?

SoCalCLK

I don't do people like yourself any favors, so I'll keep the photo of Gekko.

Second, It doesn't matter what your age is. And you probably were really driving a Toyota Corolla hatchback with a Lexus, err, Mercedes star emblem on it.

Thirdly, I didn't know you cared. I sure don't! :v

Fourthly, that ignorant statement gets you

Now go and play with your friends and Lexus-sux.com or something. :p

wiz357

I love AMG powered MB, but would never ever buy a regular Mercedes. Having to deal with all the electronic gremlins of the car, then dealing with incompetent dealers, made me swear off any MB in the future. I tolerate AMG cars because I'm such a sucker for HP and torque. Our MB of today is nowhere near the quality of the MB of yore. My wife's 98 GS400 with 120k miles is far more trouble free than my ex-S55 with less than 20k miles or my E55 with 10k miles. Don't even get me started with MB vs. Lexus dealers.

BTW, I did not even download the video as I don't care if a modified car is faster than a stock car.

SoCalCLK

I seek unhealthy dialogue. You can go to the Lexus boards and find your "healthy" dialogue along with your Grape-Nuts and berries there.

Braheem

Someone who knows his stuff

http://www.kenrockwell.com/sl/history.htm

Try READING before arrogantly commenting... AGAIN.

vixapphire

"Leggo my 'ago'!!!"

vixapphire

who's he, Lew's brother?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/

CE750

not to appear to correct a fellow valley of the Sun MBer, but MB has been in business technically 120 years as of Dec... and they pioneered not only the internal combustion engine but also the diesel automobile, the crumple zone, the ABS braking system, Airbags in production cars, and ESP but to name 5 other MAJOR items.

I would argue MB IS the best car maker in the world.

vixapphire

I'm not 100% sure about that; Cadillac had driver's side airbags available as an option as early as its 1975 models. I don't think anyone else was at the party that early, but I could be wrong. I do recall Cadillac claiming that as a point of pride in the literature that came with my '91 Fleetwood and '02 DTS, though, for what it's worth.

CE750

While the airbag was invented by the Americans, It was perfected and made standard in all their line of cars by MB first.. I also believe MB had them in cars from the late 80's... such as the SEL's and such.

E55_POWER

Wow this thread is getting out of control.

Does anyonce actually care that the 1 in a billion IS was faster than the E55. That would make up 1% of the total Lexus population that is faster than the E55. While the video (I've seen it a long time a go, I think the guy has something like 600RWHP or something) was very cool and quite entertaning, that's all it is entertainment.

I've had several Lexus myself, I won't comment how boring they are to drive as it's a known fact, although some GS owners think otherwise. Lexus service is 2nd to none. As far as maintenance, my GOD, Lexus charged me close to $1000 for service on our LX470 that included check, check, check, check and maybe replaced the windshield wipers. And yes, Lexus costs more than Toyota when servicing the same vehicle - after all it's a Lexus

Not going to sit here and bash Lexus because they do make fine products. As for the new IS, I guess they finally got something to compete with the 3er...Lexus got tired of taking back seat to BMW I guess. The IS is faster than the 3er finally...til BWM decides to drop a 3.2 into the 3er I guess, than it's back to the way it was I suppose. Can't wait to see the new IS though.

vixapphire

yeah; driver's side 'bags didn't really become commonplace in US cars until the early '90's, although they were in the front-drive cadillacs from the '89 model year (the second-gen front-drive body, which has held up as a very attractive design - especially in the "sixty special" trim featuring fender skirts and 6-spoke aluminum rims). i had a volvo wagon ('86 740 gle) without airbags, but they did become standard in either '88 or '89 in the steering wheel of those cars too. volvo claims priority with the "SIPS" side airbags. when mbz began using the wheel they had in the '92 190 and other cars (i believe this was around '90), is when they put the bags in; the prior steering wheels didn't accommodate an airbag. like you said, they probably put 'em into the big cars first and trickled them down to other models over the ensuing year or two, from sometime in the late '80s.

CE750

I can't find the link to it, but I did read that MB holds more patents for automotive technology and safety than any other auto maker.