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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 10:37 PM
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Kleemann SC, Header, TS6 wheel for sale on Ebay

FOund this on Ebay. You guys think these will fit our car?


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20" KLEEMANN TS6 Wheels
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Very interesting on the S/C.

Seller mentions that the S/C is an Eaton Roots type but the picture itself looks like a Twin-Screw. He probably just gave the wrong description. Although the price for the s/c by itself sounds fair.

Buy it Now price for the Headers of $4,500.00 is a joke! Brand new retail on that when it came out was around $3k+.
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Old Jan 24, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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at a glance s/c looks like it's all there... except for the heat exchanger and pump. you thinking about making the leap, Peter?

for reference, I paid 8500 for used s/c, headers, downpipes, and cats in the summer.

+1 on the headers
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 02:41 AM
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I'm seriously thinking about it

But i only can afford the SC, ECU upgrade plus Labor for now. Header and downpipe will have to wait. You guys think i can do without the header and downpipe??

I'm getting different HP & Tq increase from different people. what am i looking to gain from just the SC and ECU upgrade.

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 08:04 AM
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I'm seriously thinking about it

But i only can afford the SC, ECU upgrade plus Labor for now. Header and downpipe will have to wait. You guys think i can do without the header and downpipe??

I'm getting different HP & Tq increase from different people. what am i looking to gain from just the SC and ECU upgrade.
..........I second that the s/c price is a very good deal. It is indeed a twin screw. Yes you can get headers done later or never. Realistic HP increase is 125-150. Meaning around 500HP to the crank. Anything claims beyond this is BS. You'll have to dump some serious addtional cash in your car to get the 550HP Kleemann promised.

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:02 AM
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Thanks Ted! 500hp sound more realistic than 550hp they told me. I hate to buy a used superchrger and find out later it missing parts. Than I'll be screwed. I have to get more info from the seller before i buy it or work out a deal on a new one with local Kleemann dealer.

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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
..........I second that the s/c price is a very good deal. It is indeed a twin screw. Yes you can get headers done later or never. Realistic HP increase is 125-150. Meaning around 500HP to the crank. Anything claims beyond this is BS. You'll have to dump some serious addtional cash in your car to get the 550HP Kleemann promised.

Ted
Ted is right on the money!

Do it and you'll feel like you just bought another AMG car. lol
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 11:30 AM
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or work out a deal on a new one with local Kleemann dealer.
If you work out a "new one" from your local kleeman dealer it's almost guaranteed it'll be the Eaton Roots type and not the twin-screw.
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+1 to both Ted and James

and you can definitely do it with or without headers or ECU upgrade. Trust me, it's a whole new beast with s/c

I would ask a local Kleemann dealer for a BOM to see what is supposed to come with the regular kit, then compare to what the seller is offering. Probably missing the thermostat housing too. A bigger Heat Exchanger is a good idea anyway.. blackbenzz did a larger custom one. You will also need a new airbox, and engine cover, either a W211 E55, or a W210 E430. I think the W211 E55 box is sexier, but it might take some cutting to make it fit in W210 engine bay. I went with E430 box and cover, here's a pic.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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If you work out a "new one" from your local kleeman dealer it's almost guaranteed it'll be the Eaton Roots type and not the twin-screw.

What are the differences between the two?
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff.bisonett
+1 to both Ted and James

and you can definitely do it with or without headers or ECU upgrade. Trust me, it's a whole new beast with s/c

I would ask a local Kleemann dealer for a BOM to see what is supposed to come with the regular kit, then compare to what the seller is offering. Probably missing the thermostat housing too. A bigger Heat Exchanger is a good idea anyway.. blackbenzz did a larger custom one. You will also need a new airbox, and engine cover, either a W211 E55, or a W210 E430. I think the W211 E55 box is sexier, but it might take some cutting to make it fit in W210 engine bay. I went with E430 box and cover, here's a pic.
Hey Jeff, the Gen-II SC come with the E430 airbox. Does the E430 engine cover fit around the SC like in your car or did you have it custome made? I like the clean factory look.

SO far they knock off $500 off $10K on the SC. Labor still around $4K. I'm trying to get them to threw in the ECU upgrade for free

It seen like the saleman want my business. He called me twice this week. He also the installer.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 01:58 PM
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What are the differences between the two?
Twin screw is more efficient, more boost and have it own internal oil.
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Originally Posted by jeff.bisonett
+1 to both Ted and James

and you can definitely do it with or without headers or ECU upgrade. Trust me, it's a whole new beast with s/c

I would ask a local Kleemann dealer for a BOM to see what is supposed to come with the regular kit, then compare to what the seller is offering. Probably missing the thermostat housing too. A bigger Heat Exchanger is a good idea anyway.. blackbenzz did a larger custom one. You will also need a new airbox, and engine cover, either a W211 E55, or a W210 E430. I think the W211 E55 box is sexier, but it might take some cutting to make it fit in W210 engine bay. I went with E430 box and cover, here's a pic.
Looking good there Jeff!

xlr8tin,

In a nutshell as what Peter said the twin screw's are better but then again they are no longer being made.

Peter,

You should jump on this one.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JamE55
Looking good there Jeff!

xlr8tin,

In a nutshell as what Peter said the twin screw's are better but then again they are no longer being made.

Peter,

You should jump on this one.
Why aren't these type made anymore?
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter_02AMG
Hey Jeff, the Gen-II SC come with the E430 airbox. Does the E430 engine cover fit around the SC like in your car or did you have it custome made? I like the clean factory look.

SO far they knock off $500 off $10K on the SC. Labor still around $4K. I'm trying to get them to threw in the ECU upgrade for free

It seen like the saleman want my business. He called me twice this week. He also the installer.
mine is the regular 430 cover with some cutting. The 430 cover has fingers that reach down into the intake manifold; you just have to cut those off and put some trim on the edge. Might also need some cutting around the snout of the s/c. Also will need the stand to raise up the oil cap. I have the stand now, it's not shown in that picture though.

4K sounds a little steep just for labor. I think it's supposed to be 2k for the standard install... and then if you do anything else custom that's additional. For 4K I would expect the ECU.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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Why aren't these type made anymore?
I heard that the supplier, Autorotor, went out of business or doesn't make them anymore. not sure which is true, but anyway, can only get the Kleemann kit with the autorotor s/c used.
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Originally Posted by JamE55
Looking good there Jeff!

xlr8tin,

In a nutshell as what Peter said the twin screw's are better but then again they are no longer being made.

Peter,

You should jump on this one.
Thanks James!

Peter, if you're considering it, you should go for it.
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Old Jan 25, 2008 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff.bisonett
Thanks James!

Peter, if you're considering it, you should go for it.
I want to but this SC kit is not set up for W210 E55. what if part missing or something don't fit right. I might end up paying more for it in the long run. Beside I just talked to the installer about installing a used SC and he told me he don't recommend buying use kit. No warranty and missing part like nuts and bolts that will delay the installation. More labor and parts. etc.etc. etc..
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I want to but this SC kit is not set up for W210 E55. what if part missing or something don't fit right. I might end up paying more for it in the long run. Beside I just talked to the installer about installing a used SC and he told me he don't recommend buying use kit. No warranty and missing part like nuts and bolts that will delay the installation. More labor and parts. etc.etc. etc..
Here's what you do if you are really interested in getting this s/c kit.

Call Cory at Kleemann and tell him to e-mail you a list of what is exactly included in this kit when it was still being offered. Send that list to the buyer and ask him to check off what he is including on that kit he is selling. If certain parts are missing ask Cory if you can order it through him. Done deal.

f.y.i $4k for installation is expensive.
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
..........I second that the s/c price is a very good deal. It is indeed a twin screw. Yes you can get headers done later or never. Realistic HP increase is 125-150. Meaning around 500HP to the crank. Anything claims beyond this is BS. You'll have to dump some serious addtional cash in your car to get the 550HP Kleemann promised.

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This cannot be a twin-screw/AUTOROTOR for the following reasons.

1) He purchased this kit in 2007 new directly from Kleemann and the Autorotor has been discontinued for at least 2 years now.

2) The housing is the SAME on the roots/EATON as on the twin-screw/AUTOROTOR. Only the M273 (550 4-VALVE) motors have the new flatter housing while the M113 (500 &55 3-VALVE) motors retain the same more rounded and taller housing.
Go to the www.Kleemannusa.com and see for yourself.

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This cannot be a twin-screw/AUTOROTOR for the following reasons.

1) He purchased this kit in 2007 new directly from Kleemann and the Autorotor has been discontinued for at least 2 years now.

2) The housing is the SAME on the roots/EATON as on the twin-screw/AUTOROTOR. Only the M273 (550 4-VALVE) motors have the new flatter housing while the M113 (500 &55 3-VALVE) motors retain the same more rounded and taller housing.
Go to the www.Kleemannusa.com and see for yourself.
...............It does look like the twin screw s/c to me. If it turns out to be the Roots type s/c then I stand corrected.

..........I don't think he is going to pull the trigger though.

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Here's what you do if you are really interested in getting this s/c kit.

Call Cory at Kleemann and tell him to e-mail you a list of what is exactly included in this kit when it was still being offered. Send that list to the buyer and ask him to check off what he is including on that kit he is selling. If certain parts are missing ask Cory if you can order it through him. Done deal.

f.y.i $4k for installation is expensive.
If you are considering this s/c kit, than I would do exactly what JamE55 suggested. Great advice!!
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$7K for it is not bad if everything is there, but I don't see airbox, the SC water cooler, and I'm sure there other missing part as well. I sent the sell a message about providing a part list of everything so i can compare it with Kleemann PL. so far he hasn't replyed.

7K now but i'm sure i will be paying more for it later.
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$7K for it is not bad if everything is there, but I don't see airbox, the SC water cooler, and I'm sure there other missing part as well. I sent the sell a message about providing a part list of everything so i can compare it with Kleemann PL. so far he hasn't replyed.

7K now but i'm sure i will be paying more for it later.
If they don't respond with the information you requested, then walk away. If he is selling what he say's it is, then he should have no problem responding to your question.
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