Schweinhund

Just asking what I am sure has been asked before. Couldn't find any threads.

CharlyE500

The engine and tranny + labor will cost more than $10K.
The best way still...... sell your W210 buy W211.

Schweinhund

Thanks for the info. IF I was going to do it, I would do the install myself. I am guessing $3,000 of that would be labor? So about $7K?

And it fits?

Plus the W210 weighs 3700 lbs while the W211 comes in at least 4050. That's 350 lbs at least. The supercharger and intercooler obviously shave some of that but not most of it.

Yacht Master

The nuts and bolts part are child's play, M113 out M113 in, 722.6 out 722.6 in. What prevents even the most competent performance shops, race tuners and custom builders from the 55K transplant is the ECU.

Before you set out on a project like this, drive a W211 AMG for a week.

CharlyE500

Let me try them at home tonight
I have both of them in my garage...

Anatoly

^ Swap the engines out real quick then get back to us.
Honestly, unless you got an E55 shell, or got one for free with the blown engine and want an year project, you can do it.

snooozie

maybe as a hobby on your spare time....i would not mess with it. why? you can get a W211 for a very resonable price now...

saintz

Rear turbo would be a better idea. Tuning is still the problem.

Now if someone can fit the V12, that would be cool. I know someone on here has a W211 V12, but don't think a W210 V12 has been tried.

Yacht Master

Oh ya, there are at least 3 V12 W210's. Brabus did one and it came in at well north of $100k. I have some links I'll try to find n post.

Here and you will see more vids at you tube,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0e-R...e_gdata_player

Back in the late 90s the ECU / TCU were much easier to intergrate when doing an engine swap, and these swaps were year to year appropriate. Note Brabus, Carlson, Kleenman, RennTech have not to my knowledge swapped the E55K in any form. I think the V12 in to the W210 would cost less and be a better choice.

saintz

I assume that's the V12 NA. The Twin Turbo would be awesome.

Why is the Kompressor engine so much harder compared to the other FI motors?

Yacht Master

Yes the W210 non turbo V12 was 540HP
The W211 V12TT 600HP
The W212 V12TT 700HP

And again the engine (mechanical) swap is easy the ECU is the problem, where the engine goes so goes the ECU, the entire car is controlled by the ECU don't forget the E55K has electric brakes, two batteries, Airmatic. Many components have to be married with a STAR you can't just un-hookem. To do an engine swap requires many electrical sub systems to be transfered too. Who wants to spend 100s of hours to transfer the wire looms and sensors, instrument panel, install subsystems the 210 doesn't have. And this is not just the 55K all the newer MBs are this way. Gone are the days of the DIY engine swap.
Now it is more important to buy the car you want, and not buy the car you think you can make.
And then there is the financial side, sell a clean E55 put the $10K (reality $15K) you would have spent on an engine, trans, ECU, TCU, harness, exhaust, drive shaft, fuel pump, IC & pump. and buy a W211, done and driving around in one day.

saintz

I guess I'm curious why the V12 would be any easier to transfer than the 55k. Or maybe it's just that people are willing to pay to swap a V12 into an E, but not willing to pay to put an 55k into something else (like a W210), given the costs are probably similar.

Schweinhund

I just wonder though that if a shop can do a custom ECU "map" why couldn't they get into other places in the system and hard code values to
disable the need to actually have that other system hooked up, say the suspension. Just force values that enable the system. The engine and trans can certainly act independently of the auxiliary systems they just need to be cut free software-wise. I am nearly certain that an engineer that codes ECU logic, could easily recode to enable the ECU to work in whatever fashion is desired as the engine routines are already done and do not need to changed, just enabled.

snooozie

Yeah, I don't see why you can't uncode the ECU or disable certain functions and just put the V12TT into the W210. But all said, why do you want to go thru all that? If you really want a kompressor, sell the old E55 and get yourself the E55K save ten grand and sell your car. There are quite a few on autotrader and ebay.

Schweinhund

It's just for novelty and educational fun. Plus, once one figures that out, the possibilities grow. Like taking that power plant and putting into other makes and models for some true custom cars.

14Track

If you've found out anything more about your swap idea, I'd sure like to know. I've got that CL55k motor, matched trans, ECU and ENTIRE wire harness that took up most of my 2 car garage when laid out! I'm working on cramming it in a '63 MB 190C Fintail. Haven't pulled out the torch yet due to some MB mechanics telling "no way!". But, I'm getting closer to just trying it out and turn the key..
Plan: Drop in '03 CL55 motor/ Trans, All AMG brake set up (8 and 4 pot binders) grabbing custom 14' slotted discs tucked inside 18's in this near 50 yr old car. Got to have the whoa for the go!

fellippechiari

Have you done this swap? Now I have one E430, and I have CLS55 Komp engine + transmission. I am thinking do this swap. Can network will be complicated because its differente systems. I am planing to tune my E430 ECU.

snooozie

I think the years are too far apart to do a direct swap. The E430 ECU will not match up with the newer CLS55K's. You might have to completely swap the ECU too. Essentially, you will have the E430 body but the brain and engine/tranny of the CLS55k. Tuning the E430 ECU will not do any good for you if you plan on putting the compressor engine in the car.

Alexke55amg

wat u mean not tried ? Wat about the w210 Brabus wit a 7.3 V12 in that baby