At last ! did 2nd cat delete\ X-pipe
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At last ! did 2nd cat delete\ X-pipe
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I no longer recommend installing Aftermarket air filters and wires. The filters allowed dirt to contaminate the MAF and oil became noticeably dirty. As for magnecor wires they were fine the first 5-6 months then all of a sudden the car started to run like crap and misfire. Installing Bosch wires/Mann filters cured my problems.
At last ! Removed the rear cats, replaced them with 2.5 X-pipe. ( resonator is removed previously )
did soft-reset , and drove it ~ 400 Km
And it comes down to this :
LOUDNESS:
X-pipe + 2nd cat + resonator delete is louder than resonator delete with straight pipes.
DRONE:
The drone has decreased almost 50% and it's RPM range is narrowed significantly.
RASPINESS :
There is a small amount between 2000-4500 RPM under moderate to heavy throttle , like a Decatted C63 only quieter.
IDLE:
You can hear the V8 pulses more clearly, less bass.
PERFORMANCE :
I feel the car pulls faster across the whole range. ESP intervenes more than before ( could be due to the aggressive ECU settings ).
OVERALL SOUND:
When I bought the car, all I can hear was the sound of the engine and BASS, lots of it. The sound was constant and not defined.
Now the sound is tight\ precise \ clear \ redefined and EXOTIC !
Tried 1/2 flooring it inside a couple of Toronto tunnels and I swear I almost cried from Joy. It reminded me of the videos containing super/ exotic cars accelerating inside tunnels.
THE MUFFLER:
The shop told me that the muffler is the best factory muffler he ever saw, sound & performance wise.
Pics & clips are coming soon![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Thank you to all my fellow members who advised me, I wouldn't've reached these amazing results with out your Recommendations.
P.S I can't honestly talk about the quality of the welding![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
***********Latest Video
I no longer recommend installing Aftermarket air filters and wires. The filters allowed dirt to contaminate the MAF and oil became noticeably dirty. As for magnecor wires they were fine the first 5-6 months then all of a sudden the car started to run like crap and misfire. Installing Bosch wires/Mann filters cured my problems.
At last ! Removed the rear cats, replaced them with 2.5 X-pipe. ( resonator is removed previously )
did soft-reset , and drove it ~ 400 Km
And it comes down to this :
LOUDNESS:
X-pipe + 2nd cat + resonator delete is louder than resonator delete with straight pipes.
DRONE:
The drone has decreased almost 50% and it's RPM range is narrowed significantly.
RASPINESS :
There is a small amount between 2000-4500 RPM under moderate to heavy throttle , like a Decatted C63 only quieter.
IDLE:
You can hear the V8 pulses more clearly, less bass.
PERFORMANCE :
I feel the car pulls faster across the whole range. ESP intervenes more than before ( could be due to the aggressive ECU settings ).
OVERALL SOUND:
When I bought the car, all I can hear was the sound of the engine and BASS, lots of it. The sound was constant and not defined.
Now the sound is tight\ precise \ clear \ redefined and EXOTIC !
Tried 1/2 flooring it inside a couple of Toronto tunnels and I swear I almost cried from Joy. It reminded me of the videos containing super/ exotic cars accelerating inside tunnels.
THE MUFFLER:
The shop told me that the muffler is the best factory muffler he ever saw, sound & performance wise.
Pics & clips are coming soon
![Smilie](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Thank you to all my fellow members who advised me, I wouldn't've reached these amazing results with out your Recommendations.
P.S I can't honestly talk about the quality of the welding
![nix](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/nixweiss.gif)
***********Latest Video
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Over time, it will sound even better..... like aged wine ![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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I'm interested in seeing / hearing the outcome, but here we have Emission testing
I believe it'll be Ungodly LOUD.
Yes, Indeed
everyday, the car sounds better.
Since it's like aged wine, I shall not sober up.
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Yes, Indeed
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Since it's like aged wine, I shall not sober up.
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Which arrangement is better for performance,
Installing the X-pipe in place of the 2ndary cats + delete resonator
or,
Installed the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats (straight pipe for the secondary cats)
Just Wondering if theres a performance difference...
Thanks.
Installing the X-pipe in place of the 2ndary cats + delete resonator
or,
Installed the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats (straight pipe for the secondary cats)
Just Wondering if theres a performance difference...
Thanks.
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Which arrangement is better for performance,
Installing the X-pipe in place of the 2ndary cats + delete resonator
or,
Installed the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats (straight pipe for the secondary cats)
Just Wondering if theres a performance difference...
Thanks.
Installing the X-pipe in place of the 2ndary cats + delete resonator
or,
Installed the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats (straight pipe for the secondary cats)
Just Wondering if theres a performance difference...
Thanks.
I would install the X-pipe in place of the 2ndary cats + delete resonator
Mine has the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats mainly because I had the resonator done first with the x-pipe and the 2nd cats done last. If you are planning on doing the mod, I would do them all at once. No point in coming back and forth to the shop.
My two cents.
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I would install the X-pipe in place of the 2ndary cats + delete resonator
Mine has the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats mainly because I had the resonator done first with the x-pipe and the 2nd cats done last. If you are planning on doing the mod, I would do them all at once. No point in coming back and forth to the shop.
My two cents.
Mine has the X pipe in place of the resonator + delete the 2ndary cats mainly because I had the resonator done first with the x-pipe and the 2nd cats done last. If you are planning on doing the mod, I would do them all at once. No point in coming back and forth to the shop.
My two cents.
+1
Placing the crossover close to the engine is the way to go, more scavenging.
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Lucky you guys ! in California we have to keep the CATs or won't pass the smog check. The only thing we can do is resonator delete.
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Test pipe
If you look around, do a google, you can find the so call "test pipe" or empty cats that looks like a cat but hollow inside. Might want to check them out if you want a visual inspection for them. They might not ship it to Cali though....not sure
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We'll done! I agree don't touch stock muffler, it's honestly the best stock muffler AMG ever made on any model then or since. Keep it.
Next most to improve sound would be shorty headers, they sound absolutely awesome with shorty headers (more torque too)
Next most to improve sound would be shorty headers, they sound absolutely awesome with shorty headers (more torque too)
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Thanks guys!
Regarding the muffler, I was thinking in getting Eisenmann race.
But couldn't justify the price for sound alone.
Another thought was to empty the stock muffler, but figured out that it won't be suitable for a Mercedes, let alone an AMG.
Next step : short headers.
Cheers
Regarding the muffler, I was thinking in getting Eisenmann race.
But couldn't justify the price for sound alone.
Another thought was to empty the stock muffler, but figured out that it won't be suitable for a Mercedes, let alone an AMG.
Next step : short headers.
Cheers
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acceleration clip :)
As promised, here's an inside short acceleration video from 0-120Km/h
The shooting angle was a bit stupid, thanks to my pal.
The mods are:
X-pipe/ 2nd cat delete
Resonator delete
AFE Pro dry S air filters.
Temperature was -16 Celsius, Winter tires were on, 245 & 265.
All I can say is the sound is intoxicating!
The shooting angle was a bit stupid, thanks to my pal.
The mods are:
X-pipe/ 2nd cat delete
Resonator delete
AFE Pro dry S air filters.
Temperature was -16 Celsius, Winter tires were on, 245 & 265.
All I can say is the sound is intoxicating!
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Damn. If that's what yours sounds like with just an x pipe and resonator delete, I can't wait to hear what mine sounds like with that plus hi-flow cats and shorty headers.
I can't imagine the air filters make any difference in sound though?
I can't imagine the air filters make any difference in sound though?
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When cruising, there's a bit of humming. some would call it drone, but it's a huge improvement over straight pipes. My mechanic insists that it's a leak on the pipes replacing the resonator
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Happily however, when you take the revs above 2000 rpm you hear all sorts of sweet noises (like the muffler is opening and tearing it's self, in a good way of course
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I'll try to capture an outside video soon.
Cheers.
Faiz
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Actually the air filters made the exhaust sound just a tiny bit louder and deeper. The most noticeable improvement is throttle response and the sound of air being sucked.
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