BoBcanada

You know what in a year or so i see myself buying another used E55 and KLeemanizing it to death! I just love E55s so much! WOuldnt mind SMGIII in it tho

Improviz

Simple: you lied about being impartial. Anyone who reads your posts here and has followed your actions in Mercedes vs. BMW posts at your board knows that for you to claim that you're impartial about cars is like the Pope claiming to be impartial about religions. Preposterous, and truly laughable.

Furthermore, you lied when you publicly accused DerekFSU of violating the terms of service on your board when you banned him. If you have any evidence of his violating any term of service, present it. Otherwise, case closed.

skratch77

Looks like the m5 was a 1/2 car length behind and waited for the amg to hammer it first in that video.

And it still pulled over 2-3 car lenghts ahead of the e55 with 4 people in it.

Im sorry but the e55 just got served a plate of humiliation.Now how do you people feel when all you did was bash gustuv?

CynCarvin32

pro

there is no amg bi-turbo V8 in the works. this is from the head of amg product management for north america. the new V8 is NA and mr. Allan said that there will be little difference in performance for the two vehicles. the V8 is also more than 1 year away.

sad but true. time for an M5 lol

Erik

Since in this case the E55 got the jump and builds up a lead its difficult to estimate, but when the M5 really starts to leave the E55 behind, the speed must be between 110 and 120 mph. The M5 is far into 4th gear and I belive the 4 gear will hit app 125 mph.

You are not much wrong in you estimate I think

Mardeth

Why do you say that? I doubt that the E55 is faster to 100, but it might be faster to 60.

reggid

i think if both are on their day they will be pretty much even since both have traction problems in 1st and probably most of 2nd gear. It is clear that the m5 will pull away eventually,so e55 owners better get a good launch to be in with a show.

Erik

No its not but they are very close. We are talking 1 or 2 tenths in favour of the M5 depending of what test you are reading. Means in pratical life nothing.

Since both of this cars are capable of mid to low 4 sec 0-60 mph its not going to much difference.
Even a AMG CLK DTM with 582 Hp and 300 kg less with is only 0,5 sec faster to 60 mph. So any front engine rear wheel driven car has to really prepare him self to really do much damage to another mid 4 sec car.
http://www.track-challenge.com/compa...ar1=81&Car2=83
But then offcourse the difference starts to grow, both in time to speed and also in meters.

Not even the 4 Wd driven Gallardo or the 996 Turbo is going to do much damage.
Bottom line, the faster the cars, the faster you has to go the reallly see the difference....

Or you could compare with the new Viper SR-10.
http://www.track-challenge.com/compa...ar1=79&Car2=81

Marcus Frost

Wow, that was a killer race. 1 car length is a hell of a good race! I am very much looking forward to seeing how repeatable this is with other non-press M5s and the amount of variation we've seen with E55 power figures. That M5 gearing keeps the car quick in the upper rpms and those SMG shifts are nice and quick.

Also, Gustav, what is going to be your response when an E55 slaps on a set of $2000 aftermarket headers and is then able to pull on the M5? Is it going to be, "not fair" because the E55 is "modded"? What if we allowed the M5 to also slap a set of headers on, and the E55 still pulled?

I've said this numerous times, one of the primary reasons I bought the E55 is because hey, if in a few years something like an M5 comes out that winds up being faster stock for stock, the beauty of forced induction is how damn easy it is to get significant extra hp out of it. The E60 M5 will be lucky to get another 10hp out of that motor, while we get 80-100hp with a chip and pulley. Then there's intercoolers, cams, headers, exhaust, etc, etc... It may sound like I'm making excuses but all I know is that with 1 car length on a stock E55 *any* E60 M5 I run into, modded or not, this summer (and very possibly EVER) won't stand even the glimmer of a chance...

-m

Gustav

Again... Did you see who got the jump?

I am comparing stock to stock. Again.

Again, we did several races.

I dont care how and what will be done to E55, I just had a very fun day with some nice cars. We were interested to see how the M5 performed and ALL of uss where impressed with it.

Have a nice weekend.

BlownV8

That's a great place to end this thread!

Erik

Agree BlownV8

MikeHK

And people who bought/are going to buy the M5 because it goes quick in straight line but most importantly, it turns. And who the hell cares about why you bought your E55 for.

BMWEATR

OK THATS IT LET THE BMW GUYS GET THE LAST WORD!
CAUSE WE'LL GET IT WHEN THAT THING FINALLY HITS THE STREETS OVER HERE.


THIS THREAD IS DEAD!

enzom

Gustav - still no response to the questions regarding whether you are compensated by BMW? We're waiting.

Gustav

I am not compensated by BMW in any way except that I could borrow it. I paid for all expenses incl. fuel.

DRCrowder

DAAAAaaaym that car sound nice and the shifts were awesome.

Sounds like a great time!


Thanks for posting the vid

Improviz

So, I repeat my question: why did they let you borrow the car? Out of the goodness of their heart? Because they like your looks? Certainly not so that you could plug the car on the Internet for them with a favorable review...

Exactly how naive do you think we are?

MikeHK

Well, I don't think anybody thought you are naive. But your own reaction to Gustav's video and test just shows others how naive you really are.

MBH

I have been reading all the hoopla on these AMG forums about the E55 vs. the new M5. I'm gonna wait till BMW ships the new M5 over to the states. Bring both stock cars to a NHRA drag strip with Pro timing and may the best car win. It makes no sense for us to get all crazy over some boot leg video. I'll wait till the new M5 comes to the states and see first hand how it does.

Marcus Frost

Apparently the M5 guys do because the seem to insist on talking about how superior it is to the E55 and make it seem like we are boneheads for driving said E55. I know why people buy M5s, it's for a very similar reason I bought an E46 M3... It seems like all the talk about the two cars refers to acceleration, and let's be honest 9 out of 10 encounters that pit these two cars against each other will involve acceleration, therefore I'm just asking what happens when "stock" is thrown out and we get to modding, an area the E55 is leaps and bounds superior to the E60 M5.

-m

Marcus Frost

MBH,

From the looks of that video I don't think even at the drag strip there will be a clear winner 10 times out of 10, or even 6+ times out of ten. The E55 has boat loads more torque so in the 1/8th it will have the advantage while I think the M5 may have a higher trap speed and may or may not have enough steam to pass by the end of the 1/4.

All speculation, of course.

-m

DRCrowder

I would define naive as going to an E55 AMG board and thinking that:

a. as an M5 supporter (zealot?) you can really be thought of as objective
b. You are really going to change how people think

Perhaps you should try these other, also productive activities:

a. Beating a dead horse
b. Pissing into the wind


You are most likely someone who argues with people that have strong differing politically views and thinks you'll change their minds

I love people like you, you provide me with countless hours of entertainment.

Thank you

Improviz

This assumes that I give a **** what you think. I don't.

Next stupid comment?

adx

Does that mean that BMW provides a car for you to use as loaner? If that's the case, you are technically receiving a benefit for the use of such car. Here in the U.S. such benefit would be a taxable event meaning it would construed as some type of compensation.