Stock to stock what do you think wil be faster?

 

Common, comparos already? Hey, lets compare the 2005 E55 to a 2026 X Class!

 

The Gearbox is whats gonna make the biggest difference IMO. They should run damn close, may come down to the driver. We'll just have to wait and see. It will be easier to to get an idea when we see what the ML63 can do with it.

 

Awesome...the X class!!!!!
How much do you think the X class will be?

 

I heard the 2032 X95 AMG is the one to wait for. 0-60 before you can get the pedal to the floor. Plus it can drive itself.

 

i think E63 will be faster on top end due to the nature of its powerband. the power is made in the upper rpm range, and in order to achieve such power levels (close to that of the w211 e55) without a supercharger, mb's tuning procedures results in a higher revving motor. this will allow more agressive gearing, via the 7-speed gearbox, surely helping up in high speeds, where it becomes a battle between air friction (frontal area, drag coefficient, etc) and hp (staying in the optimal range is more a factor here than low-end torque). this means higher torque multiplication plus staying in the high rpm range, in which the power of a high revving (relatively) n/a motor is produced. the supercharged nature of the e55 motor (twin-screw blower, mounted on the intake manifold) is adversely affected by heat soak since the way the blower is mounted does not allow much of an intercooler. this is seen in the torque curve's early peak on e55 dynos (tho its torque is truly substantial). on the low-end or from a launch, the e55 has superior torque, but the e63 seems to have sufficient torque already. i think that the top end is where you will see the e63 have its most substantial improvement over the e55 in terms of acceleration.

 

I do think do to the 7speed gearbox, the E63 will be faster. If you take the gearing from the SLK 55 right now, the E63 will actually put more torque to the payment that the current E55K. If you look at the AMG specs of the ML63, 0-100km time of less than 5 seconds. So lets say that equals 0-60 times of 4.7 -4.9 seconds. Well, AMG claims 0-60 times of the current E55 at 4.7 seconds, so the E63 should be faster.
That is just my 2cents.

 

Yeah, I think they must have waited a half second after starting their watches before the driver hit the pedal.

 

more important than 0-60 times, which is more a function of torque for such a large car...is the rumor that the ML63 can hit 200km/h (124-125mph) in around 17 seconds, which is b7rs4 territory, and the standing kilo in near 22 secs (c32/m3's near 24 secs)! one could deduce that the ML63 must be faster on the top end than the C32 or M3. in an SUV (over the duration of a standing kilo) low-end torque won't accelerate you through the battle of air friction due to aerodynamics and frontal area to the extent that hp and the gearing, which places you in the powerband, will. now we all know that E55 obliterates c32's and m3's at speed, but for an SUV to do this, not just in 0-60, not just in 1/4 mile, but over a standing kilo...means the c32/m3 won't be catching up on the top end (at least to the trap speed at the end of the kilo) as the Ml63 increases its distance (based on these rumoured figures). the e63 should be a killer in the straight line.

 

BoBcanada, why the curiousity about the E63 when your previous posts say you got rid of your E55 because "you needed more space"?

 

Well im just curious... and who knows i just might change my mind lol... Im a weird guy!!

 

"needs more space" = needs more cid :p

 

E63

And a E63 with Kleemann mod's, probably fast enough to scare the kids in the back silly for the whole day.

 

i just hope they keep it as awesome as the current one to drive around town.
Nothing quite like driving around with so much torque and a nice supercharger to get things goin.

Can't wait to see how well the new one will be altogether as a whole package, I can only imagine.

 

E63

New ML63 AMG 0-60 is 4.7 which is the same as the current E55 AMG. I can only see the E63 being faster than the ML63 AMG and therefore faster than the E55 AMG.

 

I'd say E63 will be faster.

I was really hoping that since the newer E55's (2004+) were faster than the Corvettes that the E63 would be faster than the Z06. Now that I've seen C&D's results of the Z06...I'm not so hopeful.

Hmmm...even with mods, I'm wondering if an E63 could best the new Z06. Plus, I heard there's a special "Blue" Z06 that will be coming out soon which is going to have 600hp and sell closer to $100K.

 

1. even E89 will be no faster then corvette Z06!
2. there will be no blue devil.

 

and its only 1.5 seconds behind 0-200km/h too... which is impressive for the size of that TANK.

 

E63 will get its power down better on pull away and be on the power band for better top end... it may lack a little in mid range grunt ... but overall should be quicker.

E55 has really too much torque to get on the road at get away - if you can get it to hook up better accel times should plummet. I am amazed the beast does not have ~300's at the rear and an LSD standard. At top end the S/C loses alot of efficiency so it is not an ideal scenario - but thoroughly enjoyable.

Dunno if E63 will be as much fun to drive though.....!!!??

Rgds Steve.

 

I hope the E63's steering and overall handling are improved as these are the biggest knocks of the E55.

Nick


PS BobCanada, Are you sure there isn't going to be a Blue Devil Vette? I think I saw it spied on C&D.

 

I agree. It's one thing to build a better engine but need the better handling to complement the overall package. The Z06 does both in terms of better motor and handling. I hope the folks up at the AMG R&D take note that it is not all about hp but also handling to make a vehicle truly a performance car.

 

If you want a preview, drive a 7 speed SLK55. Its never out of the power band. The current E55's are a ball to drive with all the low end torque which makes some of the measured times traction dependant. The new AMG designed 6.3 will be faster, but won't have the tire melting grunt as the current kompressors. I really don't care for high reving motors in 4000 lbs sedans but this might be an exception, as I've had a ML 63 on order for a year.

 

Uhm i don't think there's going to be a e63 anytime soon. This is my theory though, tell me what you guys think of this. The C55 and ML55 used the same engine, no s/c. While the E SL G and CL got the supercharged 55 engine. This time there's a 63 engine, also n/a like the c55 and ml55. Now what i'm thinking is that they'll prob supercharge it before it gets on the E class. This might sound like overkill but MB never ceases to surpise me... just like with their 65 AMG monsters. I also don't think they would put the 63 n/a in all the models. The c63 (if it comes out) would obviously be faster than the e63 if they used the same engine. Currently the E55 is a beast compared to the C55. Now why would they go and make the new E63 slower than the C63. I think there are two options, they would either downgrade the C63 engine or upgrade the E63 engine. I'm hoping for the upgrade :v E63 KOMPRESSOR!

 

I have heard numerous times that they will not S/C the 63 engine due to Euro regulations. So, if they're going to do anything, it will be Bi-Turbo.

 

... 4.7? What the?

You guys truely amaze. Where on earth did you get a 4.7 to 60? What happen? The driver was clearly asleep.

I do not understand it how people can make such claims when we have members here running flat 12s (stock) through the 1/4. (12.0) Whereas I've seen times for the Vette at 11.6 and 12.1, respectively.

BoBocanda, even with the current E55, I'm pretty sure the outcome of the race will depend on the driver.

And as for the E63-- get real, that thing should annihilate the new Z06.

Or maybe I'm just one of the few who actually thinks AMG can best anything.

Clearly, we can remember the many doubts people had about this E55.