LA Times on the new 5 & 6 Series woes...
10-24-2005 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
Well, this seems like a waste of everyones time then.
BMW has every right to refuse BMW Certification to independent body shops. I don't see what's wrong with that.
BMW has every right to refuse BMW Certification to independent body shops. I don't see what's wrong with that.
10-24-2005 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Improviz
................processes them with a brain so clogged by lard that most synapses have long since shut off.
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Do you think as a result of that there will be a mug shot of krispy in every BMW dealer with a " do not sell 5 series to this person"?
Unfortunatly krispy may disguise himself behind a powder sugar mustache from a recently swallowed donut and total yet another 5 series.
Last edited by Belmondo; 10-24-2005 at 01:31 PM.
10-24-2005 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by krispykrme
BTW, the story is so twisted. MB has similar program as well. My E55 is currently in bodyshop and has to be repaired by certified MBUSA shop.
(EMC, in fremont, is MB authorized body shop).
What BMW is doing is same as what MBUSA is doing. MBUSA will not certify indep shop if it is not qualified by their standard.
10-24-2005 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Improviz
Simple: you disagree with the lardass. In his paranoid mind, this constitutes "bias", by which he means "anyone who dares to have a different opinion than I, the great, short, fat, artery-clogged pigman."
In the Dictionary of Pig****, many words are synonymous with "bias", including "stupid", etc...pretty much any disagreement with The Great Tub O' Lard constitutes a violation of the Order of Lardiness, and ensures that you will be subjected to personal attacks and petty, vile behavior--in between bites of donuts and slugs of Mylanta, that is...
The great thing about fatty is that he's truly bipolar, meaning that he's quite capable of spewing as much **** out of his fingertips and onto our screens as he shoots out of his fat keister...a truly staggering amount when one considers the amount of donuts he gulps down on a daily basis.
In the Dictionary of Pig****, many words are synonymous with "bias", including "stupid", etc...pretty much any disagreement with The Great Tub O' Lard constitutes a violation of the Order of Lardiness, and ensures that you will be subjected to personal attacks and petty, vile behavior--in between bites of donuts and slugs of Mylanta, that is...
The great thing about fatty is that he's truly bipolar, meaning that he's quite capable of spewing as much **** out of his fingertips and onto our screens as he shoots out of his fat keister...a truly staggering amount when one considers the amount of donuts he gulps down on a daily basis.
Dictionary of Pig****.....LMFAO!
10-24-2005 | 11:03 PM
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It gets worse....
....one more reason they'll probably have higher insurance rates: poor crash test results:
http://www.autocarmagazine.com/News_...currentresults
BMW’s 5-series has suffered a big upset in the latest Euro NCAP crash test results. The Five required numerous modifications and a re-test to record a four-star result.
Autocar revealed two months ago (21 September) that BMW was struggling to achieve a good rating for the Five, although at the time a spokesman claimed the testing was hampered by ‘inconsistencies’, and that it was expected to earn a five-star rating.
While rivals such as the Mercedes E-class, new Audi A6 and Saab 9-5 have all gained five stars, the 5-series needed improvements to the steering column, footrest, door trim, door latch, airbags and software. The Five also had to undertake both frontal-impact and pole tests twice in order to be classed as a four-star car.
The modifications only affect cars built after the autumn 2004 test, so any built between the September 2003 UK launch and this summer would probably only score three stars. The pedestrian impact test threw up even more serious concerns. NCAP assessors slammed the company’s attitude, saying: ‘BMW needs to take the protection of pedestrians much more seriously.’
BMW’s 1-series followed its big brother Five’s lead in needing a re-test, although it eventually scored a full five stars after improvements to the airbags. BMW was again criticised over pedestrian protection, described as ‘dire’ by NCAP, scoring just one star out of four. The child protection rating was also poor, scoring three stars compared with the four scored by ten of the thirteen cars tested in this group.
A BMW spokesman said: ‘Everything we design takes pedestrian safety into consideration, but it is also important to consider active systems that prevent accidents from happening in the first place.’
Euro NCAP chairman Claes Tingvall used the results to chastise car makers for not making design improvements that could save lives.
http://www.autocarmagazine.com/News_...currentresults
BMW’s 5-series has suffered a big upset in the latest Euro NCAP crash test results. The Five required numerous modifications and a re-test to record a four-star result.
Autocar revealed two months ago (21 September) that BMW was struggling to achieve a good rating for the Five, although at the time a spokesman claimed the testing was hampered by ‘inconsistencies’, and that it was expected to earn a five-star rating.
While rivals such as the Mercedes E-class, new Audi A6 and Saab 9-5 have all gained five stars, the 5-series needed improvements to the steering column, footrest, door trim, door latch, airbags and software. The Five also had to undertake both frontal-impact and pole tests twice in order to be classed as a four-star car.
The modifications only affect cars built after the autumn 2004 test, so any built between the September 2003 UK launch and this summer would probably only score three stars. The pedestrian impact test threw up even more serious concerns. NCAP assessors slammed the company’s attitude, saying: ‘BMW needs to take the protection of pedestrians much more seriously.’
BMW’s 1-series followed its big brother Five’s lead in needing a re-test, although it eventually scored a full five stars after improvements to the airbags. BMW was again criticised over pedestrian protection, described as ‘dire’ by NCAP, scoring just one star out of four. The child protection rating was also poor, scoring three stars compared with the four scored by ten of the thirteen cars tested in this group.
A BMW spokesman said: ‘Everything we design takes pedestrian safety into consideration, but it is also important to consider active systems that prevent accidents from happening in the first place.’
Euro NCAP chairman Claes Tingvall used the results to chastise car makers for not making design improvements that could save lives.
Guess who?
Last edited by Improviz; 10-24-2005 at 11:06 PM.
10-24-2005 | 11:29 PM
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Interesting read! It wouldn't deter me from buying a BMW. What deters me from buying a 5 series is the less than appealing looks.
But seriously, if I had even a small accident, I would much rather be allowed to declare it totaled and get a new car than to have it repaired. So, this may be an advantage to the consumer. PLUS, since I am not paying for the repair and the insurance company is forking up the bill, why not get ALL OEM parts and have the cars repaired by someone who has seen the special training session?
I'm not sorry that the little independent guy is left out. There are plenty of Hondas, Toyotas, and MBs he can fill up his time repairing
But seriously, if I had even a small accident, I would much rather be allowed to declare it totaled and get a new car than to have it repaired. So, this may be an advantage to the consumer. PLUS, since I am not paying for the repair and the insurance company is forking up the bill, why not get ALL OEM parts and have the cars repaired by someone who has seen the special training session?
I'm not sorry that the little independent guy is left out. There are plenty of Hondas, Toyotas, and MBs he can fill up his time repairing
10-25-2005 | 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Belmondo
Yup, krispy's big, I think he got into his MB and bent the frame, that is why his car in the shop now. Fortunatly MB can be easily repaired but the first day he gets into BMW 5 series and it bends--its totaled! Simple as that and that is the truth as I see it.
In regards to the certification game, I would think it's like cash; it's only good as long as people deem to think it's good. You can still get it repaired at an independent shop with all the right training and tools could you not? I'm not knowledgeable about ASE, but couldn't that union counter by coming up with their own certification standards? Look at all the BMW and MB used car certifications. They don't do crap and sell a used car as if they fixed it up. From the stories I've heard, BMW certifications mean nothing to me.
