RennTechV12

Very true. The Benz tranny has no problem, whether on the track or on the street.

I just don't understand why BMW would feel like they need to limit their customers to less than the cars' potential.

I would have to say that the 3 year old '03 E55 definetly has an edge over the '06 M5. (that's what I said a couple of months ago and got completely bashed on this forum for)

idrive

the old M5 is so much better looking than the new one.

It's ugly. And ugly is ugly at any performance level

RennTechV12

e55 baller

Curious why the M5 is out and I have yet to see any C&D, MT, or R&T produce 0-60 and 1/4 times? Is it because they can't launch the car?

When the E55 hit the pavement there were times out 1 month before the car hit the streets. Just curious.

At least I know not to be concerned about the new M5 from a dead dig.

RennTechV12

I agree, I would never buy a car with a feature like that. (I like going fast too much! )

Fikse

thats crazy..... whats does launch control do that is so amazing? Is this new to the SMGIII? I drove my friends M3 SMGII and he didnt' mention it.... of course, now that I think about it, I would get him good off the line with my C32 everytime.... we ran em side by side at least 10 times....

Fikse

exactly.... I always thought something was strange.... they reviewed the tester models, but never ran em in the 1/4 or posted stats.... there will be a heads up E55 vs M5 article..... there has to be....

BiTurboV12 AMG

LC is on the M3 to use it you have to turn off traction control then another bar pops up past S5 and its called S6 in S6 mode for SMGII it can shift 80ms (2 times faster than the ferrari version of semi auto). to use LC S6 mode only in the M3 you must have the car stoped push forward on the gear lever and then put your foot on the gas it it will rev to about 2,XXXrpm (i forget cuse i only used it about 4 times and find its not worth the trouble) then as soon as you let go of the gear lever the car launches. BMW M cars are made for the track and are really useless on the streets.(you can go to AMGs website under FAQ why doesnt AMG offer a manual gearbox) AMG cars are made with autos because that is what people prefer in a mercedes an AMG car is just a fast car for the street and a semi good track car. i have met people with ferraris and lambos that have gotten eaten by AMG's on the street and drags but if you take the same cars to the track the AMG will get eaten. AMG-ultimate street car best everyday driving machine. M-Some of the best track cars for the price ex M3.

RennTechV12

I have yet to meet a BMW that has "eaten me" anywhere.

This still doesn't answer the question "why is the LC necessary"

NOTKTS

Automobile Mag just did a CLS55 vs M6 comparo this month. They didn't post any times of that sort except 0-60 times of 4.4 - M6 and 4.5 - CLS55. Besides that; only their comments about the car I'll scan it if anyone cares to see it. They also mention the 503Hp CLS63 and a "possible" 621Hp CLS65 and the boosted 6.8Lt 697Hp version

Evil Duffman

im guessing they chose the M6 over the CLS55. its funny cause when motor trend did a e55 vs m5 comparison. The m5 won based soley on handling, they ignored the fact that the m5 was ugly, not as roomy, the interior was terrible (they hated it) and it was tested to be slower than the e55. i dun understand how the m5 actually won? bias maybe?

OzE55

Magazine test times have been posted before - https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/124961-mb-amg-cls55-vs-bmw-m5-australian-motor-magazine-comparison-test.html

You'll see from the article why the LC is such a problem - the M5 got towed away!

Falco

OOHH..Ohh...OHH so my little SLK55 stock will take an M5 all day long up to 110 b4 they pass! Can't wiat to get next to one at a light and smoke them to 60++...love to see their face when a little convert roadster gets 3/4 of a car length on an M5 from a light!!!

Not me, but bone stock SLK55 from fellow mbworlder Dinko:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Mercedes-Be...slip-5170.html

Rafal

I rest my case! It will take a lot more than stock M5 to beat our E55 over 400m/1/4 mile, let alone the 60' "red light Grand Prix" in the burbs.
I got it, how about "best of 10" drags in one hour? Oops, forgot about the launch control....what's that tow truck doing here?

Fikse

I don't see way launch control is so important..... my Viper has 450 rwhp and 500 rwtq and is 3360 pounds, no traction control, no stability control, no ABS, nothing.... and the car does 1.7 - 2.0 60' times on street tires depending track prep and conditions...

absent

It's the nature of the F1/SMG type trannies,very difficult to launch competitively in comparison to manual or Automatic.
Best transmission for the track,not neccesarily on the street.
Ferraris and E-gear Lambos have the same issue....

Improviz

....both Car & Driver and Road & Track reported flawless launches and ran sub-12 second 1/4 miles when they tested the new F430 F1 in Europe earlier this year. And does Lambo even have smg?? I thought they only had manuals and/or DSG....

absent

Lambo has E-Gear, which is nothing more then F1/SMG.
F430 tested in Europe had a Euro spec Launch Control and had much better times then the US version.
Me personally,after driving the new M5,while appreciating the benefits of the SMG,would rather have a "normal" manual tranny and thats what I'm ordering for F600.
I'm just not tracking my cars enough to justify the need for an electronic transmission.

traumadoc

Fugly!

Belmondo

WHat exactly do you not like about SMG in M5? BMW knew that only a small number of owners will ever track M5's in Europe or in US.

Improviz

Correct. In fact, the mags reported when they tested it that LC would not be available stateside, for liability reasons as I recall (lame, but that's their excuse!). But my point was that the F430's LC system does work fabulously & does not seem to suffer from the same maladies as the M5...which in fairness one might expect in a car costing double the price.

Yeah, I agree...SMG is the best for a track, but unless you live in canyon country or somewhere else where there are nothing but twisties, it's not necessarily the best-suited system for the street. Me, I also live in the midwest with lots of long, razor-straight gridlines otherwise known as "roads".

Mardeth

You can adjust the LC rpm with the cruise control stalk. I think it was by 500 rpm up and down, that might effect the launch as well as the suspension setting.

absent

It's not that "I don't like it",just my opinion that conventional manual or Automatic is more suited for daily traffic grind.
SMG would be superior on the track or Autobahn,would lose to AMG in drag races every time...

Belmondo

Thanks.
What about P400 and something ohter than S6 or S5, would it make any difference in the traffic ?

enzom

Your car, Absent? Looks nice in Black.