Hi Marcus.

That the M5 Gustav run was a strong one is probably true. But if you by ringer means car that is a lot faster than the rest and specially prepared, I do not think so.

Maybe we should make separation here on the Euro M5 and the US M5.
I spoke to the project manager at BMW some months ago, he told me that the Euro m5 engine was then finnished, but they where still working on the US version. That is a strong indication on that "our" engine is or could be a bit different than "yours". I have no idea on what kind of difference that could be.

In Europe you will find several test reports from the most respectable magasines.
If we should belive they know what they are doing, it shows that the M5 is more or less equall with the Gallardo. In some faster and in other equall. The 996TT is definatly not faster.
BTW: In the race that Gustav filmed vs the Gallardo, I belive the cars was very close.

We also have reports from owners in Europe that have been able to outrun the Gallardo. Even the new Gallardo SE with shorter gearing and 520 Hp did not manage to run better times than the M5. Not the same day so one should be carefull to draw any conclution.

But if any Euro M5 should be totaly outrun by a stock Gallardo, my guess is that something is not right with his car.

About the M5 being the new king among saloon cars, it is and it should be. Lets see what happens when the new AMG arrives.

BTW:, I could not see the video in this post. Does it exist anywhere else?

 

I had a CL55K, be careful as these cars depreciate faster than a FIAT. I bought the car for 115K and within 3 months, I hated the car and only got $86K. Hated it so much I left all the Kleeman K2, LSD, V1 remote, etc. Didin't want to deal with it. Would have been nice to give to my wife but she loved the freakin Escallade so much (sad) she didn't want to drive the CL because of our 2 boys.

Have you seen the 07 Escallade? Looks sharp and promising with a 6 speed tranny and 400 something HP.

 

Alex, is the ride that much stiffer than your E55 was? A lot of guys on M5board are saying how comfortable the ride is.

 

Of course you don't, because as anyone who goes to the Kill Stories and reads my "Here's a nice video for you, Gustav" thread can see, you are clearly trying at every turn to defend Gustav.

Gustav trolls here posting BMW videos while banning our members from his forums amd moving our videos: you defend him.

We complain about it: you attack us.

Gustav gets BMW press cars which are mysteriously faster than production cars from BMW on three day loans so that he can post glowing writeups of them on his forum (and now ours), and that's OK.

But when I point out that this is very obviously clever marketing on BMW's part, you attack me.

Gustav gets an M6 press car from BMW of Sweeden, which weighs 150 pounds or so less than an M5, has the same motor, gearing, rated horsepower, and a poorer Cd, and runs it against a production M5, and it runs away from it...but there's nothing suspicious there to you...

EVO magazine, one of the most respected magazines in Europe, tested the two cars head to head. In every acceleration test measured, the Gallardo was faster, and in the rolling-start tests it was noticeably faster.

Here is an excerpt from the test where they commented on rolling-start races they did between the two cars, and their acceleration data:

Attacking the same stretch of road, Lamborghini leading, Green now following in the M5, it's easy to see how the Gallardo can toy with the BMW. Its engine, so vocal and energetic, summons greater low-rev and mid-range torque, something that feels all the more impressive in a car that weighs a third of a ton less than the M5. Consequently, when you plant your right foot to the floor the Lamborghini genuinely leaps forward, while the M5's more highly-strung torque delivery and extra bulk mean it takes an extra few crucial moments to hit its stride.

And this shows up in the as-tested acceleration numbers as well. The M5 was slower from a dead stop to every 10 mph increment tested, which fyi is from 30to 160 mph. The M5 did not come out ahead in one. Not a single one.

Highlights: M5 Gallardo
0-60: 5.0 4.7
0-80: 7.4 7.0
0-100: 10.4 10.0
0-130: 16.7 16.2
0-160: 27.6 26.7

The in-gear times give an even better illustration of how the Gallardo's wider,
fatter torque band give it a huge advantage over the M5:

Third gear: M5 Gallardo
40-60: 2.7 1.9
50-70: 2.7 2.0
60-80: 2.5 2.2

Fourth gear: M5 Gallardo
30-50: 4.0 3.1
40-60: 3.7 2.7
50-70: 3.5 2.5
60-80: 3.5 2.5
70-90: 3.5 2.8
80-100: 3.4 2.9
90-110: 3.4 2.9

Fifth gear: M5 Gallardo
30-50: 5.0 4.7
50-70: 4.6 3.5

Sixth gear: M5 Gallardo
50-70: 5.8 5.1
70-90: 5.2 4.3

My guess is that you are not a dispassionate observer in this case, and are in this forum not to discuss Mercedes objectively but to ape up BMWs, and your posting history, along with your behavior in defending Gustav no matter how reprehensible his actions, shows this.

The person who posted the M5 vs. Gallardo video posted two videos: in one, the M got off to a one carlength head start, and the Gallardo ran it down and passed it. In the second, the Gallardo easily pulled the M.

And yet we should not believe these videos of production cars, only the videos showing BMW press cars provided to Gustav by BMW.

 

Here is some more data, even from a source you like to use ( Sport Auto). And BTW is probably the most accurat mag around.

EVO is one of the most respectable magasine? That was news to me, but maybe....



auto zeitung 26/2004 _ M5
0-100km/h 4.4 s
0-200km/h 13.9 s

sport auto 12/2004
0-100km/h 4.5 s
0-200km/h 13.8 s

sport auto 11/2005
0-100km/h 4.4 s
0-200km/h 14.1 s

Autobild 2005
0-100km/h 4.7 s
0-200km/h 13.5 s



ams 23/2003 _ Gallardo
0-100km/h 4.2 s
0-200km/h 13.8 s

sport auto 12/2003
0-100km/h 4.0 s
0-200km/h 13.0 s

Auto Bild Tuning 04/2004
0-100km/h 4.5 s
0-200km/h 13.8 s

Auto Zeitung 08/2005
0-100km/h 4.2 s
0-200km/h 13.3 s

sport auto 07/2005
0-100km/h 4.4 s
0-200km/h 15.4 s

sport auto 11/2005 Gallardo SE, Shorter gearing and 520 Hp.
0-100km/h 4.3 s
0-200km/h 14.4 s


So I think it is safe to say that this cars is more or less equall in performance.
A diff of +/- 0,5 sec diff from 62 mph until 125 mph should not be enough to put many meters on eachother.

BTW..... WTF has Gustav to do with this post Impro, I am starting to think you actually like Gustav a lot, since you bring him up in just about every single post you are responding to.....
Secret love maybe :p

 

Oh, really? And what facts can you bring to the table to show, empirically, that a) Sport Auto is more accurate than other magazines, or b) that other magazines are less accurate?

Be careful when making claims...someone might actually ask you to support them.

And you like Sport Auto: fine, here is their acceleration and in-gear acceleration data for the two cars: just as with EVO, their data show a clear rolling-start acceleration edge for the Gallardo:
http://www.track-challenge.com/main_...1=81%26Car2=68

Nuerburgring................M5................Gall ardo
Round time................8.13 min................7.52 min

Hockenheim
Round time................1.16,5 min................1.11,8 min

Acceleration
0 - 40 Km/h................1,5 s................1,4 s
0 - 60 Km/h................2,3 s................2,2 s
0 - 80 Km/h................3,5 s................3,2 s
0 - 100 Km/h................4,5 s................4 s
0 - 120 Km/h................5,9 s................5,4 s
0 - 140 Km/h................7,4 s................6,4 s
0 - 160 Km/h................9,2 s................8,4 s
0 - 180 Km/h................11,6 s................10,1 s
0 - 200 Km/h................13,8 s................13 s

Elasticity (in-gear acceleration) (4./5./6.)
80 - 100 Km/h.......2,2 s / 3,2 s / 3,6 s.......2,2 s / 2,7 s / 3,2 s
80 - 120 Km/h.......4,5 s / 5,9 s / 6,9 s.......4,2 s / 5,4 s / 6,5 s
80 - 160 Km/h.......8,8 s / 11,7 s / 13,5 s.......8,1 s / 10,2 s / 12,7 s
80 - 180 Km/h.......10,8 s / 14,4 s / 17,3 s.......10,6 s / 13 s / 16 s

Hmm, looks like what you characterize as the most accurate magazine in the world managed to get the same in-gear result as the terrible EVO: the M was slower...hmmm....

Of course: since it plainly shows the Gallardo was faster in every measure than the M5, you must attack its credibility. We must not address the facts displayed in the article, only attack the magazine. Classic tactic to use when the facts are not on one's side.

But the fact remains that they clearly reported that the M5 was slower, in every test, and substantially slower from a roll. And the video shows this.

Because I think that illuminating your obvious, blatant bias casts your posts in a clearer light. You are not here to discuss, you are here to promote, and anyone who gets in your way is subject to attack.

For you, perhaps, given the amount of time you devote to defending him in our forums. For me, it is a simple matter of demonstrate an implacable hostility to AMG on your part and a total bias towards BMW products, and thus should not be taken seriously.

 

I think so. I still don't have my suspension fixed yet so no track yet until BMW can get me a new pax side front control arm.

But the power and gas mileage is steadily improving. I suspect by the time the M5 engine hit around 3k to 5k miles, the power will be better than it was producing brand new.

The other thing that i will probably change now is the conti tires. Recently i was able to break traction somewhat easy now. So with stickier tire the time should improve as well.

 

And in what way does that tell me I was wrong? The numbers I posted show the same thing. I have never said that the M5 is faster. I have said they are more or less equall. Unless you mean that a diff in the sprint from 62 mph to 125 mph of less app 0,5 sec is huge. That is actually closer than than the diff between the E and the M.....


So please tell me where I decribed EVO as terrible ?

I said it was news to me that is was among the most respected mag in Europe.

And what kind of mooron would race a Gallardo or the M5 for that matter "in-gear" from low rpms.
Been iny mane races like, hey lets go from 40 mph in 6th gear and see who`s car is faster, my Ferrari F50 or your Carrera CGT.?
That is almost as interessting as how big a trailer you can attach to it.

One should expect that anyone smart enough to buy either the Gallardo or the M5 should be able to change gears when they race.


I am here to discuss cars, and jump into threads that are with or without BMW in them. I have never started a pro BMW thread here, if I have I have forgotten it.

I am sure you will search the complete forum to see if you can dig up some dirt.Go ahead.

As far as I can see, this is my history as a thread starter.

https://mbworld.org/forums/sl55-amg-sl63-amg-sl65-amg-r230/125264-video-30-year-old-amg-alpina.html
A thread of historical AMG and ALPINA. Should be of interesst to any AMG fans as well.

https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stories/96515-seen-before.html
A fun joke IMO.

https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stories/95288-ot-incar-race-video-nurdburg-ring.html
Race video from the Nurburg ring.

https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stories/94633-amazing-drifting-video.html
A drifting video containing both MB and other great cars.


Me ? Nahh, I prefer girls

If you compare my time to "defend" Gustav with your paraniod attacks you are definatly in the lead by severals "laps"... I think you are just flirting with him.....

Show me some links to where I have been hostile against the AMG`s. A bit curious to how you define hostility.....

I think I have behaved my selves quite nicly on this board.

 

LOL, do you even know what your saying? Are you trying to tell us that the M5 can outrun a 520 hp car with a 500 lb+ weight advantage!!! Lay off the booze buddy.

 

I do not drink ( that much) I said it was not comparable since it was not done at the same day.
So if I had to put money on it, it would be on the Gallardo.

But the fact is the time it managed was not better than what the "normal" Gallardo does. It was actuallly slower.

So either is was a bad running car or just bad condtion that day. Recorded times on the Gallardo`s has had large variation, so maybe the spread in power on those cars are larger than on most other cars.

 

It tells you that your casting aspersions on EVO magazine were wrong, given that the data from Sport Auto, which you said was "the most accurate" magazine, exactly duplicates the results that EVO got, which is that the in-gear acceleration for the Gallardo is far better than the M5.

Please tell me where I wrote that you had described EVO as terrible? You were clearly trying to cast aspersions on the magazine, as you admit here:

I.e., you were trying to cast aspersions on the magazine, obviously because it committed the unpardonable sin of stating that the Gallardo won.

Perhaps you might notice that the speeds in some of those gears *were* the speeds at which one would conduct a full-throttle run in these cars?

Here is the EVO data again:

Third gear: M5 Gallardo
40-60: 2.7 1.9
50-70: 2.7 2.0
60-80: 2.5 2.2

Fourth gear: M5 Gallardo
30-50: 4.0 3.1
40-60: 3.7 2.7
50-70: 3.5 2.5
60-80: 3.5 2.5
70-90: 3.5 2.8
80-100: 3.4 2.9
90-110: 3.4 2.9

One would also expect that anyone smart enough to (supposedly) be an engineer would be able to comprehend acceleration data, but you managed to miss it entirely, now didn't you?

Of course, you were also arguing with me that force = mass*acceleration does not hold in the atmosphere and is not applicable to cars at high speeds, so what should I expect?

I believe, as do many people here, that posting histories are relevant, because they can show a pattern of biases. You, of course, would prefer that people see you as objective when you are obviously not, and know that your posting history illustrates this bias--and so you again try to divert by making a silly joke...but the fact is that your posting history shows an irrefutable bias towards BMW and against Mercedes.

Whenever there is a BMW vs. anything thread, one can almost guarantee that you will be there, in the thick of it, promoting BMW.

Interesting that you chose to skip your history as a thread participator, which is (this one exemplifies it) as I said to enter into threads where BMW isn't protrayed as the bestest or the fastest, and defend the cars.

Or, as you did in the aforementioned Gustav thread in the Kill Stories forum, you defend Gustav for trolling here, even as he moderates posts by members of this forum in his own forum.

Which you do not protest one bit. So your clear bias shows: it is fine, insofar as you are concerned, for Gustav to troll here and post BMW videos which show BMWs winning.

It is also fine, insofar as you are concerned, for him to moderate posts of myself and others from our forums in his forums.

But it is not fine for me or others to complain about it, even if we do it here.

Nor is it fine to post a video, like this one, which shows the BMW losing: if it does, here comes Erik to dismiss the videos. Why? Well, because gee whiz guys, look at all of this data from the Euro mags showing the cars to be equal!

Of course, you could just as easily have entered into the thread where Gustav posted the video of the (BMW-provided) M5 vs. Gallardo wherein the M5 won, and said the same thing--but for some reason, you chose not to do so.

Similarly, if I post data from EVO where the authors state that the Gallardo was faster from a roll, what do you do? Attempt to discredit the magazine with a snide remark.

But of course, Sport Auto, which shows the two to be equal, is, according to you, the most accurate magazine on the planet.

In other words, you are so cheap and desparate to deflect and avoid engaging in substantive discussion that you will even make derogatory, false implications about a person's orientation.

Again you indulge in cheap insults rather than address the serious issue of Gustav being provided BMW press cars for three day long tests, after which he posts glowing writeups on his BMWM5.com forums and posts videos of them here.

So I pose the same questions to you here that I posed to you in the Gustav thread which you refused to answer. Since I am so "paranoid" to presume that BMW, at their own expense, provides Gustav with $100,000 cars for three days to test and videotape for the purposes of marketing them, perhaps you might be so kind as to respond to the following, which I repost here for you to answer since you have refused to do so thus far:

Now then, as to BMW using Gustav to market their cars: How naive and ignorant can you possibly be, Erik? Are you seriously dumb enough to think that BMW does not have the marketing of these cars on their mind when they lend their press cars to Gustav, unsupervised, for three days to test and videotape?

Do you think that they do this simply because they like Gustav? Because he's a nice guy? That they do this without seeing any potential benefit for their sales by having Gustav post lengthy writeups and videos on his website, which is frequented by the very demographic who is most likely to purchase these automobiles?

So BMW of Sweeden, out of the goodness of their hearts and with absolutely no marketing in mind, arranges at their own expense to lend these $100,000 cars to Gustav, not because they wish to market their cars using his BMWM5.com website, but rather because BMW is in the charity business.

Yes, this makes sense: I'm sure that if any one of us were to ring up BMW in our respective countries and ask for an M5, and later an M6 loan car for three days to wring out in high speed acceleration tests, they'd gladly oblige and have the car delivered to our doorstep post haste.

Are you really that naive??

So in addition to supporting Gustav's censorship of myself and others from this forum in his M5 forums, you now resort to your usual array of cheap deflection tactics to try and deflect from obvious use of the Internet to market products. How about engaging in a substantive discussion and addressing the facts?

Answer some of the questions above, rather than making silly comical attempts at deflection. There is nothing paraniod or conspiratorial about this; it is Marketing 101, and damn clever marketing at that. Virtually free advertising right into the heart of the demographic market.

Answer the questions, Erik. Answer them without making snide remarks, or diversionary tactics. Since you are so eager to defend Gustav, why not try actually addressing the issues and responding rather than using cheap diversionary tactics?

I don't. And the instances above, as well as your entering into this thread to assail the video showing the BMW losing but ignoring the thread showing the BMW winning, definitely show a total bias to BMW, and demonstrate that you are here not to discuss, but to promote--BMWs.

 

Erik, sorry to say but the M5 is not gonna beat a Gallardo. I've driven the Gallardo and drive the M5 daily and the M5 just isn't faster than the mighty G.

I admire your admiration for the M5, but it is what it is.

 

the Gallardo is the quicker feeling car in almost all conditions. The M5 is as quick once the revs rise, but the G outgrunts it in the midrange and below. The AWD, low stance and superior suspension of the Lambo means the Gallardo gets the power down better. The M5 is a great sedan and better in other ways than any supercar, but the EVO article is pretty accurate in saying the Gallardo beats the M5 as a driving experience.

 

Thanks.

Fair enough . I have no problems with that, and for the record, I have NEVER said that the M5 is faster.

Are you still happy with your car?
How many miles have you put on it ?

 

I don't recall Erik saying the M was faster, just that magazines showed them to be close. And they are. And yes, he has a bias towards BMW, but he is not in here rubbing our noses in nonsense like M&M and some others. Not really trying to defend Erik, but if we are worried about trolls, I think Erik is the least of our concerns here.

What we are seeing, fortunately, is what I have been hoping for. Lots of enthusiasts here in the US are getting their cars, enjoying them, and telling us what they think. As interesting as magazines are (and who among us doesn't remember being 16 and waiting for the new C&D and R&T to hit the newsstand), there is no substitute for an owner's actual experience. And when those owners (E55power, JKrutch, etc.) also have other cars against which real owner comparisons can be made, it beats a magazine hands down.

The M5 is a GREAT car. There is no doubt. And it is super fast and a great handling car. Depending upon your driving needs and preferences, it is the best car some of us on this board have owned. And the owners here are confirming what it is - and what it is not. To believe that the M5 will blow any high performance car into the weeds, or is beyond reproach, is being naive. And not being able to walk a 500 hp Gallardo is NOTHING to be embarrassed about. Hell, how many cars can even stay with a Gallardo. And how many four door sedans can stay with a Gallardo? The M5 does not need to explain itself.

I happen to think the M5 is a great car. But for my daily needs, and my driving style, the SMG and lack of low-end grunt mean that I will not be able to enjoy the car as it was meant to be enjoyed. And that means that it is not the car for ME. But for me to conclude that it is inferior to something else, especially based on whether it can hang with a Gallardo, or beat the E55 in the quarter-mile, is wrong. To those of us that have it and love it, that is great. Continue enjoying it and be safe.

 

Thanks anyway.



Well said. Same thing can be said about my preferences, they are just "oposit" of yours.
My personality just fits the caracter of the M perfectly.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

No, there is nothing wrong with that, and I hope you can share those opinions on the M5 boards. However, when you don't own an E55, probably don't even own a Mercedes, and are constantly praising the M5 over the E55, you come off as a major troll.

I haven't really seen any great contribution from your posts on this board since you can't shed light on any topic that is actually related to E55 ownership. You don't want an E55 and don't own an E55 so what is your purpose on this board? Other than to stir the pot, you have no reason to post.

IMHO, if you don't own an E55, don't want to own an E55, or don't care for the E55, you need to leave and not come back. I am sick and tired of all the trolls on the board. Improv does a good job making the trolls look like idiots but even that is getting old. Reading Improv's posts are always great but I'm sick of the trolls **** slinging.

 

Dude, get your facts straight. The whole "gallardo versus M5" crap had been started by none other than gustafff here who came and proclaimed that E55 is not even close to M5, remember 4 people in M5 versus one E55 with one driver in it?
Than the dufus proceeds further and states that M5 faster than Gallardo and some 510hp Porsche and what not.

No one on this board started that crap, so please take it to the M5 board and sing there a song of "can't we just all get alone here" to gustafff who's logic and IQ, I believe, come's dangerously close to that of a swedish meat ball sold at IKEA cafe.


Now there is a video of M5 falling way behind both gallardo and viper ---let's take it for what it is and move on to whatever will come next in form of video on WWW.

The only thing that we all should agree on is that gustaff is a true d usch bag who's only purpose was to stir everyone here and not present believable information .


and you are right, M5 does not need to explain itself, the explanation, unfortunatly, is being done by the trolls from BMW boards.

 

I'm LOVING my car!!!! I have 1050 miles on it so far, and my 1st service is past due by 30 miles, I must have driven it harder than normal. Too bad there are no oil filters for the M5 anywhere so I couldn't get my Service done yet. As time passed, I loved the car more and more, now I can't imagine driving any other sedans. The M5 is just PURE fun all around. I must admit that I was very dissapointed in the beginning, but as miles started racking up the car seemed to come alive more and more. My brother came over for Thanksgiving today and said "the car doesn't look that good, why didn't you buy another Benz", then he drove the M5 and said "who cares how it looks, the car rocks".

Hey whatever happened to M&M? I would have thought to see his posts on this thread. While some or most or even all may find M&M "useless" I actually do find some of his posts informative, especially the one about how Torque and HP is derived, etc. Is he an engineer?

 

 

Glad to hear you are happy with it. How do you as a former E55 owner think of the SMG III. Do you miss the cruiser ability of the E55?

Based on my own experience with M cars they need lots of km to open up.
My M3 was feeling like it was running with clogged exhoust the first km`s . It was not until app 8000-10000 km ( 5000 - 6000 miles) I was getting close to max performance. I covered the first part of the breakin periode in 2 days and then I went full throttle for the first time. It feelt slow.
Just be patient.


Carefull now E55, or you will end on the " troll list as well"
M&M has managed to get reall unpopular, and has been under heavy attack from the several boardmembers here. Not sure it has been totaly deserved either.

BTW: Have you registered at our forum as well, you will be more than welcome.

 

You are right , I do definatly not own an E55, or a M5 for that matter.
MB have been in my family from time to time so I have some seat time in them. Also AMG has been included, allthough from the early 80`ties. AMG 280E.

I have never said it was better, since that is a relative term and is decided on what kind of preferences one has in a car. I have said it is faster, more sporty and a better handling car. Non of that is wrong, at least if you use Euro performance as basis.

Let you in on a secret IF I had been a very rich man, my stable of car would probably look like this.

X5 3.0 d for my wife.
M6 for me.
AMG SL65 Great looks and a very very fast convertible.
M3 CSL for track and pure fun.

Since I have not won the lottery I have to compromize A LOT. Therefor the M3 is fitting perfectly. Presently I have the car in my avatar, not m5/E55 fast, or M3 nimble, but unique because of its limited prod number of only 57.


That is true, I have not made any post regarding ownership of the E55. But I have posted some in thread that are about AMG and M cars. Cant see how that is wrong.

I can assure you, my intention is definatly NOT to stir the pot. I am not 16 anymore has hopefully grown past that level of maturity.

Well, I have to admit that many of Impros posts are brilliant , but his quest for Trolls is getting a bit like yesterdays news.

One a generall note....
The thing about trying to get others look like idiots, it could backfire.

 

As a former owner of an E55, the SMGIII is great! Having driven automatics for as long as I can recall, I did miss driving manual. Even in our traffic in DC area the SMGIII is awesomen, you get best of both worlds per say. The shifts are crisp and quick when I want them and in the traffic all I have to do is click on the + paddle when I speed up and nothing more since the SMG downshifts for me when I come to a stop or slow down.

I'm on the M5 Board under AvusRS6 - yes I owned a RS6 with O.CT Chip and Miltek Exhaust. I do miss the car as I only owned it for 3 months or so. Got rid of it because I got tired of getting "crushed" my my buddy's stock E55 from every performance aspect, not including handling (E55 could use a lot of help there). I'm still here on this board since I got to meet a lot of cool people in person and some of us remained good friends - also see in the near future another AMG car in my garage...one can only DREAM of having a stable like RenntechV12

 

Of course you don't think it was deserved, because M&M was here, as are you, solely to promote BMWs and discredit Mercedes. No surprise that you would stick up for him.

Oh, yes, so long as we do not engage in the same behavior there that you and Gustav engage in here; otherwise, Gustav, with your total and complete support, deletes our posts. This has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt; again and again and again Gustav deletes posts, not because they violate his terms of service, but simply because he does not agree with their content.

He threatened two members of this forum with banishment, and banned one. I reproduced the posts for which he did this here, and challenged him repeatedly to cite a single instance in any of them of any violation of his terms of use. He refused, and any reasonable person could read those posts and see that the only reason for his censorship is because he will not allow open discussion on his boards.

So I went to his board to discuss this with him. I posted a video of an E55, as he does here. He censored it. I attempted to discuss his reasons for doing so with him; both he and moderator kees deleted my posts.

But I copied them, and reposted them here, so that people could see the lengths to which Gustav will go to propagandize BMW and squash free and open discussion of competing brands on his boards.

And of course, what was your response to the above episodes? To attack me for advocating for the same priviliges on Gustav's boards that both he and you enjoy here. Just as in this thread you attack me again, but refuse to answer my questions.

You have no credibility. You can try to feign objectivity, but your actions make it quite clear that you are nothing of the sort. You are here for one reason, and only one reason, and that reason is crystal clear.

 

Which is why you come here, to a Mercedes board to slam E55s.

What is wrong about it is that you unrelentingly post only stats which favor BMWs and discredit stats which favor Mercedes, in a Mercedes forum, while defending Gustav's censorship of members of this board who have gone to his boards and done exactly the same thing.

I can assure you that your actions quite convincingly illustrate that this is an utterly false statement, and that nobody here buys your

It is easy to look brilliant when one is confronted with hypocritical, deceitful opponents. And I would argue that your trolling is yesterdays news.

You are living proof of that. Again you resort to cheap personal attacks because you cannot intelligently defend your indefensible position. And again you refuse to answer the questions I posed to you in response to your cheap personal attacks.