reggid

What can you do to a NA 5L V10 that will make big enough difference to account for the disparity between the videos.

skratch77

some one needs to get an ecu dump of the euro version and see if there is any diff

other than that there isnt really anything else,I mean it takes like 2-3 days for adaptation to set in but after 1800 miles that should already be done

im sure the euro one was on high octane (above normal) that was tested so maybe the m5 will pick up some power with 100+ octane

enzom

He floored it at 9 seconds and shifted at 11 seconds. Any idea of where you'd be in the rev range to have to pull the shift paddle in 2 seconds? I would guess it could not have been that low.

absent

Absolutely worthless video,guy can't drive SMG,doesn't know how to launch,forgets to turn on P500?!
A 997S is a slow car,when traded my '04 S600 for one,was sorely disappointed with how gutless it was.
A stock 996TT will just keep up with the stock E55 and will lose to M5 at anything more then 60mph.
But,as someone here said,a lot depends on a driver,so it is possible that a Granma in a Toyota/Lexus will beat a high performance manual car driven by a total diletante.
Amateurs:start barking.....

enzom

Rus - why would he be using launch control in a rolling race on a highway? I know of no other car that needs 10,000 miles to be able to race. Yes, cars get marginally quicker as they break-in, but it is hardly an unfair race because the M5 may not have had 10,000 miles. Heck - my quickest 1/4 mile was when my E had 1,700 miles.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but the mileage excuses are getting old. No matter how sophisticated the M5 powerplant is.

E55 RUSS

How can you even think that I could talk about launch control in rolling race???

Everybody knows what is launch control FOR...

Sorry if you didnt understand ME right but I was talking about dead stop race...

997S with 305 rears is much easier to launch then M5 with 285s...

I also think that the guy need to learn how to handle M5 and still think it that it needs more millage...

There must a reason for BMW to say that the engine brake inn takes 5000km...and NOT go FULL RPMS until that...

I even think its stupid, to race the car when its not even broken inn yet...

DJE55

The reason for the long break in time is so they don't start blowing up like all our M3 did. I haven't been around any motor that needs that much break in time or milage. It's all BS to keep the guys that like to beat on there car a little bit out of the gas for a while. Car makers have surveys that they do in the first few thousand miles of a car and if I guy is beating on it at the track your bound to have something go wrong. Down goes your quality. It's BS and I don't care how much time you give that car to break in, your not going to notice the difference that it might make in power.

skratch77

thats true for most cars but the m5 engine is a little different.

you do know that the m5 eats up 2-3 quarts of oil in every 1000 or so miles during its break in right.

how many other cars do you know of that go threw that much oil during breakin.

Marcus Frost

I tried emailing you (you don't accept email through the board) and your PM box is full, would you mind sending me an email - marcus _at_ garagedynamics.com

Thanks.

-m

Marcus Frost

Absent,

I think that's a pretty bold accusation to say someone doesn't know how to drive SMG. There's no clutch, no lever... you just tap the paddle when you are at the appropriate RPM. I know guy who made this video, he says the M5 owner can drive just fine - there was no need for launch control as they never raced from a stop.

A stock 996TT will not typically keep up with a stock E55. I kept up with a 425rwhp Upsolute Chipped 996TT 6-speed on 53 South from 100-155mph. When I mean kept up, I mean dead even. My car was stock at the time. The guy driving the 996TT was a good friend of mine, and can definitely drive. I've done a LOT of highway rolls (and I know, I need to start filming) and am very aware of what my E55 can do.

When the snow goes away I would love the opportunity to run an E60 M5 with my E55. We have plenty of roads to do it on out here, I just don't know anyone locally with an M5.

-m

04E55 AMG

Drive it like you stole it BABY! Alex & I drove his new M5 hard with less then 1000 miles a few week ago. I drove it up to the rev limiter to see what she could do. He has close to 2000 miles on it and will be running the **** out of it at the track tomorrow.

MBAMGPWR

Wait until my E55 gets 21,234.5356 miles on it and it will be much faster! What a load of M5 BS! After waiting and waiting for these M5's to finally get into the US and show me what they have against the E55 heads up...they show me nothing but dissapointment.

Okay, it handles better then my 55...wow! Turn #3 coming into my work is really tough, I wish I had an M5 to handle it better. Let's not forget about Turn #6 into my subdivision...man, watch out! And finally, "Blood Alley", this hairpin on my street right before you hit my mailbox -- it's a tough one...I need the M5 for that one as well.

Don't get me wrong, the M5 is a great car and I would consider owning one if I didn't love my 55, but stop with the excuses already boys -- it's over! To admit defeat is an honor when you lose to the 55.

MBH

Let see what the new M5 will do when the 997TT comes out next fall with 500HP. That would be a fair match. Can't wait to see that.

Bubbaboy

It seems the E55 has come a long way from being completely humiliated by the M5.

MBAMGPWR

Werd! Plus, I like to see the M5 guys get red in the face...pretty fun. :p

siswati

Hi M5RUS

its worth noting in this never ending freindly debate that I took my new E55 with only 1,100 miles to the Moroso drag strip in November last year. I had never been down a strip in my life, never practiced any launches, and I just set it in Granny mode (ESP on, and auto shift). Just stomped it. Ran a 12.5 at 114mph the very FIRST Time.

So its pretty obvious that anyone in a an E55 can run mid 12's anyday. And we have seen what really great drivers can do with practice, we have several bone stock E55's at 12 flat and one bone stock E55 in the 11's now.

And I am the first to agree that the M5 is a more engaging car to drive, and I think that that is a good thing, but why should it be difficult. Bye now we should have MANY M5's under 12.5secs, if its an equivalent accelerating car. ANd there are many US models with well over 1500 miles.

The fact that there are NONE in the mid 12's, one month after the launch, speaks volumes.

Now dont get me wrong, if I lived in the Canyons I would be paying a premium to jump the wait list and get my hands on one of those delicious M5's.

But as a salesman, I have always believed in the philosophy of "under-sell and over deliver", and I think this is exactly where GUSTAV screwed up - with all his hype and staged videos, he created such high expectations for this car that in many instances it is going to be a very disappointing vehicle for a lot of people, to say the least (but I am also sure that in many cases it will fortunately over deliver on some expectations).

just my $0.02
Siswati

Marcus Frost

I feel I have to comment on the "wait for break-in" garbage as well.

I've been around a lot of high-hp motors. Ones that rev to 11k, 1500hp, turbo, supercharged, normally aspirated, 4 cylinder, 6, 8, 10, 12 you name it. I'm not talking about race car engines either, I'm talking about engines in street cars. Everyone seems to think because BMW says the car needs X amount of miles to break-in that it's magically going to release another 50hp once it reaches that point like a butterfly coming out of it's cocoon. I'll be really clear: that is a load of bull****. The break-in procedure BMW has for these cars is to protect their *** from idiots who don't give a **** about their cars. They just make the interval extra long to make absolutely sure even the guy who does 60mph on the highway everyday and never varies RPMs has had time to properly seat everything in the motor. Because of the high-rpm nature of the motors they are a bit more touchy to break-in procedures and we've already seen what can happen with their engines given the slightest defect (hello E46 M3).

I think the M5 is a fantastic car but people not wanting to even begin to admit a lot of the hype around it may not have been well-deserved is ridiculous. You can blame it on the tooth fairy if you want, it's not going to change facts. The M5 and E55 are built for different mentalities and different buyers. Even if stock the M5 is faster you aren't going to see them adding 100hp from a pulley/chip/exhaust like we can, so what's the point in arguing who's faster? E55s won't be able to handle like M5s, M5s won't be able to accerlate like E55s. My daddy can beat up your daddy... but only after he drives for 2000 miles. Just give it a rest.

You find me 1 serious street engine builder who's ever told his customer to break in his 1000hp or hell, 2000hp motor for 3000 miles and I will delete my post and praise you as my new God. If these people knew about the mechanics of engine building they would not be saying 3000 miles will really make a difference. Engines do require break-ins, but a 3000 mile break in is like giving a hooker an 18-hour instructional video on oral sex.

My $.02

-m

E55_POWER

Funny that my Dual Xeon machine got slower after 10,000 hours And my Dual Xeon is suppose be a high "hyperthreading" processor. Intel did state in the box that reboot of Windows should occur with proper Shutdown via Start, Shutdown, and not by turning off machine. And no high graphics programs are to be used until the first 1200 hours until reseating of the processors, then use high graphics software on and off but not too much until 3000 hours of processor use...

Just kidding.

C'mon guys, every car I've owned, I've driven it like "I stole it". The 1 car I babied, which was my very first car I bought on my own, a 97 Nissan Maxima, it drove like **** after 2000 miles and it was noticeably slower than other Maximas.

I have to agree that the 1200, 3000, or whatever mileage break in rule, IMO is only there for the longevity of the motor and so that BMW doesn't have to cough up warranty work over and over.

Frankly, I keep my cars for an average of 4 months...next man's problem

yayoE55amg

BoBcanada which videos had p500 mode?

FThornton666

I called you about that Le Mans blue one, i think thats the color name. He was sitting in walmart trying to figure out how to get the 507 HP im guessing.

Also Yayo a friendly race with Wolf, or Vic is in order. I have a friend with a CLS who might run you.

Vic55

I met your CLS buddy, hope he has 600hp at the crank Freddy.

Accomplice8

I guess the bottom line of all of this E55 vs M5 stuff is that with equal drivers the E55 should take it from a stop up to highway speeds. But if the two drivers rolled up on each other at 100MPH and punched it from there, the M5 may be able to do better.

Gustav

Lets have a look with mroe M5s

Hammer Down

Just my two cents...real motors are broken in once they are put together and fired up at the factory!

jtc55

hey marcus, i think u and absent should met up in spring or summer and have a good old race-- E55 vs M5. i'll even tape it in my little ol C55

hey absent, r u down for the race if marcus agrees?