Jakpro1

Latest "going after AMG" company is Jaq.

I think I get it now.....AMG is playing rope-a-dope with these companies. They put out the 6.3 and other companies celebrate that they finally have come close to AMG performance, then BAM, the twin turbo 6.3 hits the streets in a year or so........and the dark ages begin again......


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Jaguar is planning to launch its own performance brand to rival Mercedes' AMG, BMW's M Sport and Audi's RS ranges.

It is likely to be seen for the first time in the new XK coupe and convertible, which goes on sale in March with a 300bhp 4.2-litre V8 engine.

By the end of 2006, a 400bhp supercharged version of the same engine will become available in the XKR, but company insiders are hinting that this won't be the end of the power race.

They will not say what the more powerful engine is likely to be or how much power it is likely to turn out, but they are adamant that they can turn the new XK into an out-and-out sports car to rival the Porsche 911.

No name has been chosen for the Jaguar performance brand, and no date set for its introduction, but it will eventually spread across the whole Jaguar range.

Kev04C320

Don't they already have one? I thought it's called Ford SVT!?

C43AMG

I am curious to see how long Ford will float that circus.

Hardrivr

New Cobra coming out without the SVT mark on it... SVT diehards are really bumming...

benzmodz

I suppose the new jaguar design will resemble the back of a Porsche 911 quite closely but differ greatly in the front since no one at Jaguar has ever seen the front of a Porsche.

It will give a whole new spin to the "Traditional English Breakfast" consisting of set of binoculars and large amounts of dust.

I can think of a name for the sports division

"pe pe pe pfff" (spitting out dust)

E55_POWER

I thought Jag had the "R" division for that.

Hasn't the XKR and XJR been around for a while now?

newton22

That's what I thought. And the top of the line models both sport 400 hp.

Still, they can't touch a AMG, even a C55 will go at it eagerly.

ClayJ

Awwwwwwww man.... I really don't want to touch this one...but -
Jag has put out a freighter-load of great performance cars throughout their history -- and you just can't dis them for that. You can't. They have a proven, admirable, and respected history. A history of innovation too. And motorsports. So just don't go there...please?

What have they done for us lately? Their new V8 is a nice engine. Their new factory-armored sedan is a great package. And they make lots of Ford jokes in the bathrooms.

See? They're not so bad!

MBZFAN55

Clay, I'm curious. What do you drive ?

ClayJ

I've got, like, 40 to 50 cars; residences spread throughout the globe. All but one top-of-the-line (and it's no slouch). Don't currently own a Jag, but do have the supercharged Jag V8 in my Range Rover Supercharged's. I apologize if you're at all put off by my vagueness -- but I do have to be concerned about my security...and don't want to be in court over a corpse in the auto-court at one of my residences.... I do make an effort on forums to be vague and not give out very many details about my garages....

merc655

40 to 50 cars, wow. what are some of your favorites if you dont mind me asking

ClayJ

Supercars from the last 10 years. AMG MBZ's. The new Aston Martins. Cars hand-built in the UK - hand-built in many places I suppose. New exotics. New Porsches. Track cars that are eminently street-able. 'Animal' trucks like the GMC 2500HD with the Duramax diesel and Allison transmission, and the Unimog.
I don't own - or keep for very long - any car that isn't, and doesn't remain, a 'favorite'

AMG_55

well said clayj

i dont c why they would need a new performance division though, r jags r very nice cars

ClayJ

I think that it's a marketing/branding thing - 'everybody else is doing it so we'd better 'cause we're getting lost in the crowd' kind of thing....

silversurfer

ooh...I'm so close to buying a beautiful 416 Mog


I'm the same way. Unfortunately my collection pales compared to yours. Only a measly 7 or 8 at any one time.

mrankovic

Since you like the hand made British cars, do you have, or have you had a decent TVR in the stable?

ClayJ

LOL That's one of the reasons that I have so many properties - so I have a 'valid' excuse for more cars!

NIKE!
No...t yet....

benzmodz

The only person endangering your safety is yourself. Firstly by representing yourself in a tripe manner and secondly by suggesting that this forum isnt worthy of your friendship.

If you are able to own a world class garage then you would have the security staff and pimple faced intern to sort out all of your personal whims.

please dont suppose you cant be found. You are one IP ADDRESS from being visited at any one time. Your identity is no more hidden than a fart at a mime's performance.

silversurfer

ok, here it comes

get 'em Clay

ClayJ

Have you been drinking in excess before getting on the site?

Vadim-SoCal

Getting back on topic.

I am afraid it imight be too little too late. Four years ago they had an opportunity to be leaders in performance. Ford conducted a number of clinics to feel out what people wanted. We told them, they listened, but never delivered.

AMG did.

Now for Jags to be special, at very least, they have to match AMGs. Which means over 500HP in the next XK. My guess we might see 420HP.

To lead they will need 550HP - untill twin turbos arrive on 6.3L AMGs. Then they will be definitely too late.

benzmodz

yes i have. Didnt know that water was so dangerous. Sorry.

ClayJ

No problem -- just remember that one can drown in only 6 inches of it! LOL

ThemisN

Its BEYOND too little too late. Stype R had a horrible tranny and didnt even take advantage of the power it had. It was well price, but not if the performance is going to waste. Breaking was horrible too, even compared to my car then, the GS400. There was NO reason to buy that car.
I doubt ford will step it up and give the R line of vehicles 500 horses, but even if they did, they will screw it up by putting a cheap version of brembos on that wont stop the car, an inadequate suspension, even compared to ours, AND a tranny that shifts like my grandmother would if she drove.

ClayJ

It seems to me, so far - and this is definately still early in - that the companies recently bought by Ford that I care about are sticking to their guns as unique marques and are fighting tooth-and-nail to keep Ford from ruining their cars (and their reputations) -- and that so far Ford is holding off and not doing so.... Volvo used some sh*tty plastic interior parts in their 2006's - only sign I've seen so far.
Let's all keep our fingers crossed that the likes of Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover (and anyone else?) don't get Forded Up by Ford!