Chappy

After seeking DerekFSUs Noble at SGMP, it is a beautiful work of art. My vote is for the Noble!

merc655

just wanted to be different

both of them are sweet cars if you ask me

ClayJ

Ultima, hands down. On the road. On the track. On the dragstrip. And 30 years down the road in the garage.

Can Drive 55

I think you may have something there. I did a little research and I tend to agree with you.

Falco

For strictly track days, Ultima. For track days, and every once in a while daily driver...Noble. Looks, Noble.

Hardrivr

Mosler is also in this group...

AMG_55

i agree w/ u.

ClayJ

The Ultima is as good a daily driver, folks, as it is on the track....

AMG_55

i take ur word 4 it, it just looks intimidating to drive on the street and is very low and very wide

Hardrivr

Never drove either of the two listed, but I was able to take a Mosler out for a very SPIRITED drive... had a blast but weird shifting without a clutch...

ClayJ

Smoothest riding, most tractable track car that I have ever driven on the street. Calibration and construction of the suspension actually results in it handling driveways, etc. better than most of my other supercars too (!). Rear View camera does help with the backing up, though....

jangy

Both look awesome. Aren't there MANY cars that are equally exotic, for that price?

ClayJ

I don't know, exactly, about using or applying the term exotic to them -- certainly they are exotic in the truest sense of the word in terms of comparison to other track cars or performance cars in that ($100K or less USD) price range? Way more 'exotic' than most kit cars, or replicas, or stripped-down track cars, or most performance/sports cars, certainly.

I think that if you looked at the actual number of cars in their performance category; and of their ilk in terms of power, handling, and lightweight racecar-based construction you might only find less than half-a-dozen (?)....

DerekFSU

I'm just a bit partial...

Noble overtaking a stockcar

New turbos still running very rich...

For the HD nuts, here's a partial lap in 1080i wmv format.
Roelbing Rd in HD

Pictures may help folks decide.

[IMG]www.whitisconsulting.com/photos/roeblingrdsmall.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]www.whitisconsulting.com/photos/ultima.jpg[/IMG]

Not sure why pics aren't showing, sorry.

DerekFSU

Bump cause no one has commented on my darn flame shootin' exhaust yet. I'm thinking about putting it on the E.

Rock

Every time I look at Autoweek I get a woody thinking about the Noble. What a beast of a track car and what a pure and beautiful design. I want one!!!!!

Chappy

Based on some basic research, I guess Noble used to be a partner at Ultima, then left. He seems to have found more success with his current situation.

I'd be curious to see how a Noble would perform using the American V8 that the Ultima uses for U.S. customers.

DerekFSU

The Noble has one engine and only one engine. It is not a kit car like the ultima. Besides, it outperforms the Ultima on the track now as it is.

ClayJ

Actually, if I remember the chronology correctly, he went from the McLaren F1 to the Ultima GTR and Spyder, to the Noble, to the Ascari KZ-1 and A-10. And I'm not so sure that he didn't have a hand in the Mosler as well - just don't remember, exactly.... The guy must be a genius, loves designing cars; and it is not so much his 'leaving', as it is him moving on to his next new design project/car. I wonder what his next car will be?!!!

Chappy

Very interesting. Is he still with Noble, or does he farm out design/engineering work?

ClayJ

Ascari was his last collaboration. I heard somewhere that after just completing the A-10 for them that he was moving on to his next car -- but don't remember any mention of where that was to be, or with whom.

This guy is a designer. He works with/for or collaborates with whomever is working with him on the design of a new car. My understanding is that he makes the choice of working on what he is interested in developing - that it is always his choice when he gets involved in a car, whether it is 'his' car or someone else's.

Sometimes he'll do two cars before moving on -- but I don't realize any pattern other than that he's either British or likes working with makers that have British personnel and/or manufacturing/design facilities.

I'm planning on meeting up with him for a good chat at some point in the future...... I have admired (and hearsay has it own one or more of most of) every car that he's done or worked on.

The guy's the shiznit(!).

BenzoBoi

Noble gets my vote...

Chappy

Another supercar to consider??

http://www.farboudsportscars.com/