tommaey

The W210 does 0-100kph (62mph) in 5.4s... And you guys are saying it does 0-60mph in 4.7-4.8? 0.6s to accelerate 2mph in 2nd gear? I don't think so, too optimistic. Its like saying the W211 does 0-62 in 4.0s when it really does 4.7 - 4.8 at the best of times.
Even without a perfect launch, the STi has such short gears between 0 and 130kph, a W210 would have trouble keeping up UNTIL then.

As for whether we've taken the STi to WSIDs yet - we haven't. A full night of clutch dumping can't be good for the AWD drivetrain.

Roupin

W211 hits 60 in 4.3-4.5 seconds, traction limited.

mainroman

0-60 time should also depend on where you run.
I mean CA and CO, altitude alone can cause big difference.
Magz are usually drive their cars in CA, thus quicker times.
I need to go buy me one of those G-meters and time mine.
It feels like it could do 4.8 0-60 ;-)

tommaey

...?
Look at where I'm from. Practically all of Australia is at sea level. Im talking sea level performance here - as in, the W210 should do 5.4s 0-62 @ sea level.

mainroman

0-60 and 0-62 - might be a big difference if you out of luck with gearing. Gear change can easily suck extra 0.5-1sec
To be correct to the letter - car needs to go 62.5 mph, that's 100 kmph.

Magz measured 0-60 time.

V8 AMG

Tommaey, surely one run down the dragstrip with a 5000rpm clutch dump should still preserve your drivetrain...no ? It would be interesting to see what your MY06 Sti can pull down the quarter for comparison sake....

AMG_55

i raced a wrx sti on the freeway, 70-135 i murdered him by ...... a lot, maybe 10 or so carlengths. after 80 those cars run out of puff, up to about 70 it would be dead even (the wrx will hit 60 1st though if drop clutch launch).

i also raced a friends evo (very similar to wrx) at the track (1/4), he always got a better launch but i always (100%) of the time caught him before the 1/4 mile and beat him by a couple of carlengths.

Rafal

I think that horse has bolted, as more and more mods are piled on that pony...soon it will be faster than the ENZO
Seriously though, we are focusing on circuit tracks, so handling and rolling acceleration are a priority. Even on the streets, most races happen from a rolling start, as most of us wait for the other guy to make the first move before we floor it!

V8 AMG

Be careful with heavy mods...my friend's 2.5L engine has been Ecutek enhanced (mainly via increased boosts, cone air filters and re programmed ECU) and has only done a mere 30,000Km but the pistons are shot to bits....and that's just with street use ! His engine is currently being rebuilt with forgies and more reinforced bits and pieces.

Hopefully, u guys won't end up in the same boat.....

chem0

take me for a spin when i visit syd

tommaey

haha when you do give us a yell!

meanwhile, V8 AMG, we havent done too serious mods (warranty worries). We've done Ecutek tuning without increasing boost. It has just created a flatter, broader torque curve, increasing driveablity and WOT throttle smoothness.
And for that ONE sacred launch down the strip at WSIDs... it isn't that simple. It's difficult to launch this car. It takes about 3 or 4 consecutive attempts on my behalf before I hit the sweet spot... Launching an AWD turbo car requires a 'difficult to aquire' combination of revs, boost control and clutch dumping finese (if that makes sense). You don't get that luxury at the strip - 30mins between races.
Like rafal said, rolling acceleration and handling, but mostly handling. The best thing about the STi is how early you can mash the throttle in a corner around the race track. It blitzes any rear wheel drive car, tyres permitting.

I have no doubt the E55 W210 will reel in the STi after about 130kph.
Above torque and everything else the W210 has on the STi, the STi has terrible aerodynamics. It sticks to the road at high speed, but it has shocking drag (combination of front air damn, bonnet scoop and rear wing)

As experienced at the track, I know the STi doesn't pull that hard above 80mph... For those of you saying you've dragged on the freeway 80-135mph. Geezus christ. A deathwish in Australia. lol...

tommaey

Yes, in the case of the STi, a 3rd gear change is required to get to 60 or 62.5mph. But isn't the W210 in 2nd gear throughout 60-65mph??
I know for sure it doesn't change to 3rd until a while after 100kph. The W211 only changes to 3rd at around 125kph.

mainroman

Yeah I think it hits 65 in 2nd so it's pretty good gearing.
I want to attach a digital camera and then measure 0-62 according to speedo, then see how long it takes in video player ;-)

Coalman

I have a 2003 E55 and am constantly being challenged by WRX STI's. From 0 to 40 they can keep up with an E55 if they are a good driver and launch aggressively. After 40 its over. Any kind of a rolling start and its over. Four wheel drive and light weight make STI's tough to beat out of the hole.

Bye the way, forget racing with the baby in the car. Also, the baby needs a mother, but it looks like you may be dispensable.

mainroman

Caught up with that STI on the light today. Got to talk to the owner a little bit. It really was an STI. Guy remembered me and he even turned out to be Russian as well. ;-) LOL. Didn't get a chance to ask if it had modded engine or not.
Another race never happened, cos it's wet, snowy and icy today

Wish I had that AWD 210 E55

jcjmw

I respectfully disagree. I have stock W210 E55 and have raced 2 STIs. I won both races. Both races were from a roll at around 40 mph. By the time we got to 100, I was about 4 car lengths ahead.

zoink

I think I concur w/ people saying STI is out of puff in high speed.... I'm lucky to have some races w/ STI's (presumably stock) and M3's. Most of them w/ single occupant in each car.

Here are the results:

C55 (should be slightly faster than W210 E55) vs. E46 M3 (aftermarket exhaust & wheels... not sure what else) vs. STI (Not '06.... looks stock except wheels):
2 races from 40ish to 130ish (C55 started from 2nd gear - manual mode).

1st race:
40-65ish: M3 1st > STI 2nd > C55 3rd (by 0.25-0.5 car length)
65-90ish: C55 1st (0.25-0.5 car length) > M3 2nd > STI 3rd
90-130ish: C55 1st (1-2 car length) > M3 2nd > STI 3rd (not sure how far behind the M3)

2nd race (2nd gear again):
40-65ish: M3 ~ STI > C55 3rd (by 0.25 car length)
65+: same results

W210 E55 vs. STI (looks like moderately modded - aftermarket exhaust, wheels, some gauges in the middle and ear-numbingly engine pitch):
From a dig (freeway entrance) to 100 mph - E55 power brake @ 1500RPM; STI was absolutely clutch drop at God knows what RPM:
0-40ish: E55 ~1 car length behind (a little tire spin but not much)
40-70ish: E55 gaining... end up dead even
70ish-100ish: E55 gaining ~0.5 car length

Driver factor may significantly affect results above. But that's what makes it fun, isn't it? I consider myself to be average or slightly lower than average driver (1 drag exp. w/ 13.2-13.4 trap). STI's driver.... don't even know him.

So back to original question:
If it's a stock and high speed 80+, W210 should walk STI (slowly... don't expect too much). From a dig, forget it for first couple hundred feet.

Next time, you could ask your wife to stand on the side w/ the grocery and just bring the baby

zoink

Both you and Rafal are correct (based on my experience - see post above).... from a dig to 60, no chance for W210.... but after that, the AMG magic happens

mainroman

LOL. She's not fat, thanks God. But I would surely like to properly race an STI some day. May be do it on a drag strip in safer enviroment.

How's that drag strip thing works anyway? We have one here in Denver, I always drive by, never have the time to stop by check it out.
Wonder how I would do on 1/4.....;-)

ncd20

this thread is long gone but I gave a sti a run for his money in my diesel.. just the other day.. in the wet and I gave him a whole car length.
still surged passed him..
I could hear his engine and waste blasting off So i gues he was really trying

Skeeter

Hang on here, I don't understand these specs people have cited:

E55 210 is 0-60 around 4.7 I think most mags pegged them at 4.8.

vs.

W211 hits 60 in 4.3-4.5 seconds, traction limited.

Is this true? I fell like I'm way under 4.5 0-60, granted I'm Renntech stage 1 with PS2 tires all around. But only as little as .2 secs difference between the 210 and the 211? This seems understated, even with traction limitations due to the torque...

Mind you, I'm a fan of the 210, not trying to be disrespectful. I fell like the 210 is a more well-balanced car whose limits can be more easily probed. The 211 is just a raging beast though, with crushign power that borders on being too much for the rest of the car. Just how I like it

Are the 210's that close to the 211's to 60?

Skeeter

thebenzbar

Stock for stock, it's obvious most mags and tests have the W211 E55 easily between 4.2-4.5 for 0-60mph. And back in the early '00-'02 many mags and tests had the W210 E55 range from 4.7 - 5.4 for 0-60mph. But beyond that (esp in the 1/4 mile) the W211 is approx almost a second ahead of the W210... obviously , due to supercharging which is why the W211 is a mega-beast. The 0-60mph are closer in gap due to TRACTION limitations for BOTH cars. On this note, this is why many E55 owners (W210 and W211) wished an LSD was standard or have an option to upgrade to a Kleeman/Quaife LSD. So the answer is arguably "yes", the 210's are that close to the 211's to 60 because of TRACTION concerns. The E55 W211 is still king of course, with its brother (W210) right there behind him...

Chargin55

Stock STi is quick. Will probably take you off the line and edge ahead to around 50-60mph mark where he will start to run out of steam. At 60mph mark you should pull him in and leave him for dust. A worked STi is slightly different story. Of course it all depends on how much work has been done to the car.

CWW

STi's and those Neon SRT-4's are good to avoid in traffic. A well-modded version of either will beat almost anything at a traffic light...

There is no substitute for the 1500-2000lb weight difference between almost any kind of luxury car and either of those. At higher speeds, it's a different story, though. They start to run out of steam around 80-90, and I have played and won with modded versions of both even in my 400hp 4400lb+ R129 SL600. Once you get over 100 they really bog down, while the benz just keeps going. Must be the gearing or something?

But watch them around town. They can easily be 350 hp (or more) and weigh a lot less...so they will win. At the end of the day, drag races pretty much come down to the power-to-weight ratio. And it doesn't take that much driver talent to launch something so light, either...so there is less for them to screw up. All they have to do is drop the clutch and they're off.