Saw the E63 at N.Y show today...
04-17-2006, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GTA7.5
Well I`m talking about stock models. I also don`t believe the E63 will have the off the line traction problems that the E55 does. Opon opon throttle the E55 releases most of it`s monster torque very earily in the REV band. When speeds reach 135-140mph the torque dies off.The E63 will beat it not only from the start but at higher speeds like 140mph! The G7 transmission makes much better use of the torque band than the 5-speed used in the E55 and is more efficient with less torque gaps than the 5-speed. This is one of the reasons it will beat the M5 at higher speeds. The torque in the E63 is released at a higher rpm and is better managed.
I have seen a video of a rolling start race where a new M5 was like 24 car lengths ahead of the E55 when speeds reach 140mph. Thats proof that most of the 516lb-ft of torque is released too earily in the REV band!
This won`t happen with the E63.
E55 AMG 516lb-ft @2650rpm. too much torque too early, smoking tires.
E63 AMG 465lb-ft @5200rpm. smoother off the line starts, improved times.
I have seen a video of a rolling start race where a new M5 was like 24 car lengths ahead of the E55 when speeds reach 140mph. Thats proof that most of the 516lb-ft of torque is released too earily in the REV band!
This won`t happen with the E63.
E55 AMG 516lb-ft @2650rpm. too much torque too early, smoking tires.
E63 AMG 465lb-ft @5200rpm. smoother off the line starts, improved times.
I dont know what video shows the E55 losing by 24 car lenghts, do you know how much that is at 140mph? Can you post it? I have seen an M5 video on the boards and it was not 24 car lengths. Hey I am not saying it wont be faster but your statement about eating the W211 for lunch is too much IMO. I have no doubt the E63 will be a beast all its own. I just will wait for the car to actually hit the streets and then see what previous E55 owners have to say.
The co-owner of Evosport has an M5 and he said the 55's in stock format would beat him- maybe not at 120 plus speeds but all the way up to there even with traction issues. Unless I am at the track I seriously will be hard pressed to race an M5 or E63 at those speeds here in Cali. I just know if I got an E63 I would want more power to match up with what I got and that would be almost impossible without major mods. Please remember that I am biased because my car is pushing 600hp and 650tq
04-17-2006, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GTA7.5
Wait for the tests to come in, it will eat the E55 for lunch.
Or you just want us with the lowly E55 to envy the new E63 you are boasting and don't have. No doubt the E63 will be an excellent car and obviously it should be an improvement over the current E55. But to say it will eat the E55 for lunch is just too premature. This isn't going be the difference you see between the W210 E55 and W211 E55. What data do you have to back it up? And what qualify you to make this claim? Or you are just blowing smoke up our a**. And please don't list your father's car to prove anything.John
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Does torque converter rob the power?
Also anyone remeber the weight of e55?
here from AMG website
E63 weight:
Unloaded weight: 1840
Total weight: 2365
Anyone can post e55 weight?
Also anyone remeber the weight of e55?
here from AMG website
E63 weight:
Unloaded weight: 1840
Total weight: 2365
Anyone can post e55 weight?
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Originally Posted by GTA7.5
Well I`m talking about stock models. I also don`t believe the E63 will have the off the line traction problems that the E55 does. Opon opon throttle the E55 releases most of it`s monster torque very earily in the REV band. When speeds reach 135-140mph the torque dies off.The E63 will beat it not only from the start but at higher speeds like 140mph! The G7 transmission makes much better use of the torque band than the 5-speed used in the E55 and is more efficient with less torque gaps than the 5-speed. This is one of the reasons it will beat the M5 at higher speeds. The torque in the E63 is released at a higher rpm and is better managed.
I have seen a video of a rolling start race where a new M5 was like 24 car lengths ahead of the E55 when speeds reach 140mph. Thats proof that most of the 516lb-ft of torque is released too earily in the REV band!
This won`t happen with the E63.
E55 AMG 516lb-ft @2650rpm. too much torque too early, smoking tires.
E63 AMG 465lb-ft @5200rpm. smoother off the line starts, improved times.
I have seen a video of a rolling start race where a new M5 was like 24 car lengths ahead of the E55 when speeds reach 140mph. Thats proof that most of the 516lb-ft of torque is released too earily in the REV band!
This won`t happen with the E63.
E55 AMG 516lb-ft @2650rpm. too much torque too early, smoking tires.
E63 AMG 465lb-ft @5200rpm. smoother off the line starts, improved times.
04-17-2006, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnAMG
Or you just want us with the lowly E55 to envy the new E63 you are boasting and don't have.
John
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The E63 may be a bit faster etc etc etc but with all the 7 speed issues plus an entirely new engine and MB's questionable quality of late, you can keep the first year production 63! I'll be quite content with my 06 55 which IMHO is the best (due to being the last year) of the E55's
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Originally Posted by RJC
Well said John.
The E63 may be a bit faster etc etc etc but with all the 7 speed issues plus an entirely new engine and MB's questionable quality of late, you can keep the first year production 63! I'll be quite content with my 06 55 which IMHO is the best (due to being the last year) of the E55's .
The E63 may be a bit faster etc etc etc but with all the 7 speed issues plus an entirely new engine and MB's questionable quality of late, you can keep the first year production 63! I'll be quite content with my 06 55 which IMHO is the best (due to being the last year) of the E55's
.BTW RJC, I left a voicemail for my service advisor since he had a day off today regarding the brakes...
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Originally Posted by 2K6E55
I agree... The 06 has most of the bugs worked out...
BTW RJC, I left a voicemail for my service advisor since he had a day off today regarding the breaks...
BTW RJC, I left a voicemail for my service advisor since he had a day off today regarding the breaks...
04-17-2006, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RJC
Well said John.
The E63 may be a bit faster etc etc etc but with all the 7 speed issues plus an entirely new engine and MB's questionable quality of late, you can keep the first year production 63! I'll be quite content with my 06 55 which IMHO is the best (due to being the last year) of the E55's .
The E63 may be a bit faster etc etc etc but with all the 7 speed issues plus an entirely new engine and MB's questionable quality of late, you can keep the first year production 63! I'll be quite content with my 06 55 which IMHO is the best (due to being the last year) of the E55's
.John
04-18-2006, 04:47 AM
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The E63 is going to be quick ... make no mistake. But ...
they will need to have correctly programmed the 7spd tranny. Interesting they went with 7 spd ... was that just marketing to keep up with BMW's 7spd ? 'coz remember with loads of torque you dont need that many gears to get a car moving - its only really screamers that need many gears to stay on a generally narrow power band, so I am not that sure how much better the E63 will be with the new tranny. With a shorter first gear traction will remain an issue...
I had a look at the power diagram of both e63 & e55 and e55 has around same torque at 5200rpm as the e63 and hence power - so under 5200rpm e55 will kick butt, so unless you wring the e63's neck you aint going to beat a 55 ... period.
E55 weight is 1835/2360 kg so its actually 5kg lighter than the 63.
Anyway I cannot wait to test drive a 63 and do a head to head with my '06 E55, so far I am pretty happy to have one of the last 55's.
P.S. the E63 is no longer no the amg website ??
Rgds Steve.
they will need to have correctly programmed the 7spd tranny. Interesting they went with 7 spd ... was that just marketing to keep up with BMW's 7spd ? 'coz remember with loads of torque you dont need that many gears to get a car moving - its only really screamers that need many gears to stay on a generally narrow power band, so I am not that sure how much better the E63 will be with the new tranny. With a shorter first gear traction will remain an issue...
I had a look at the power diagram of both e63 & e55 and e55 has around same torque at 5200rpm as the e63 and hence power - so under 5200rpm e55 will kick butt, so unless you wring the e63's neck you aint going to beat a 55 ... period.
E55 weight is 1835/2360 kg so its actually 5kg lighter than the 63.
Anyway I cannot wait to test drive a 63 and do a head to head with my '06 E55, so far I am pretty happy to have one of the last 55's.
P.S. the E63 is no longer no the amg website ??
Rgds Steve.
04-18-2006, 08:23 AM
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I flew back home to see the NY Auto show...I hated the front grill (2 emblems???
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I think i am gonna keep my car~~~~
By the way, i thought the new S65 looked pretty damn nice~DId you guyz check the exhaust tip on that??pretty cool lookin~~
) to be honest..But, i like the 65 style front bumper, seats, paddle shifter, and the rear bumper(some sort of diffuser seen on SL55s?) ...I think i am gonna keep my car~~~~
By the way, i thought the new S65 looked pretty damn nice~DId you guyz check the exhaust tip on that??pretty cool lookin~~
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Originally Posted by stevebez
The E63 is going to be quick ... make no mistake. But ...
they will need to have correctly programmed the 7spd tranny. Interesting they went with 7 spd ... was that just marketing to keep up with BMW's 7spd ? 'coz remember with loads of torque you dont need that many gears to get a car moving - its only really screamers that need many gears to stay on a generally narrow power band, so I am not that sure how much better the E63 will be with the new tranny. With a shorter first gear traction will remain an issue...
I had a look at the power diagram of both e63 & e55 and e55 has around same torque at 5200rpm as the e63 and hence power - so under 5200rpm e55 will kick butt, so unless you wring the e63's neck you aint going to beat a 55 ... period.
E55 weight is 1835/2360 kg so its actually 5kg lighter than the 63.
Anyway I cannot wait to test drive a 63 and do a head to head with my '06 E55, so far I am pretty happy to have one of the last 55's.
P.S. the E63 is no longer no the amg website ??
Rgds Steve.
they will need to have correctly programmed the 7spd tranny. Interesting they went with 7 spd ... was that just marketing to keep up with BMW's 7spd ? 'coz remember with loads of torque you dont need that many gears to get a car moving - its only really screamers that need many gears to stay on a generally narrow power band, so I am not that sure how much better the E63 will be with the new tranny. With a shorter first gear traction will remain an issue...
I had a look at the power diagram of both e63 & e55 and e55 has around same torque at 5200rpm as the e63 and hence power - so under 5200rpm e55 will kick butt, so unless you wring the e63's neck you aint going to beat a 55 ... period.
E55 weight is 1835/2360 kg so its actually 5kg lighter than the 63.
Anyway I cannot wait to test drive a 63 and do a head to head with my '06 E55, so far I am pretty happy to have one of the last 55's.
P.S. the E63 is no longer no the amg website ??
Rgds Steve.
I was just thinking the same thing with the 7-speed tranny, with 465lb-ft you really don`t need that many gears. It`s going to be that much faster than the E55!! espically with higher speeds like 135 or better. Just wait for the tests of the American car magazines. I`ll make a 0-60 predition of 3.9seconds
for the E63. The 7-speed is really going to take care of things!!
The E55 had a typical 0-60 time of 4.3seconds.
The weight figures you posted I believe are off
The E55 weighs 1855kg, the E63 1835kg. The E63 engine is 55lbs lighter
than the Kompressor V8.
Btw the E63 is still on the AMG website, check for yourself.
http://www.mercedes-amg.com/
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04-18-2006, 01:42 PM
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Hey Guys,
In my opinion, the E63 will be faster than the E55 in every respect. Afterall, let's look at the facts:
1. Brand new 6.3 liter engine with updated technology.
2. 7-Speed tranny for optimum gearing.
3. At LEAST 20 more horesepower (based on the presumption that the E55 has 493hp, and possibly as much as 44hp more than the E55 based upon the
E55 having 469hp).
4. Torque is still over 460ft/lbs!!!
I mean, the M5 does 0-60 in 4.2 sec, and only has 386ft/lbs. of torque! The
E63 has close to 90ft/lbs more torque, and a few more ponnies, with arguable an equal to or better tranny.
My prediction is that the E63 will eclipse the 4.0sec mark 0-60mph. I have no plans to sell my E55, but I sure do like the E63 from what I have seen.
Allen
In my opinion, the E63 will be faster than the E55 in every respect. Afterall, let's look at the facts:
1. Brand new 6.3 liter engine with updated technology.
2. 7-Speed tranny for optimum gearing.
3. At LEAST 20 more horesepower (based on the presumption that the E55 has 493hp, and possibly as much as 44hp more than the E55 based upon the
E55 having 469hp).
4. Torque is still over 460ft/lbs!!!
I mean, the M5 does 0-60 in 4.2 sec, and only has 386ft/lbs. of torque! The
E63 has close to 90ft/lbs more torque, and a few more ponnies, with arguable an equal to or better tranny.
My prediction is that the E63 will eclipse the 4.0sec mark 0-60mph. I have no plans to sell my E55, but I sure do like the E63 from what I have seen.
Allen
04-18-2006, 02:03 PM
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Those times you guys posted are E55 times. I`m going to give you a secret
on how to figure out factory (european) speed times compared to North American speed times from magazine testers.
Mercedes posted a factory time of 0-100km/h (62.7mph) in 4.7 seconds for the E55. When the E55 came to the US the magazine testers ( I mean a lot of them) typically came up with a 0-60 time of 4.2 to 4.3 seconds.
So what does that tell you, the American version E55 is 0.5 seconds faster
because we do speed tests of 0-60mph not 0-62.7mph.
When Mercedes posts factory numbers 0-100km/h (62.7mph) times all you have to do is subtract 0.4 to 0.5 seconds off those factory times for the American versions.
Now Mercedes gave a 0-100km/h (62.7mph) time of 4.5 seconds for the E63.
That means you can subtract 0.4 to 0.5 seconds off that time to come up with a North American test figure number. You can do this with most any Mercedes. Thats why I say 3.9 to 4.0seconds.
on how to figure out factory (european) speed times compared to North American speed times from magazine testers.
Mercedes posted a factory time of 0-100km/h (62.7mph) in 4.7 seconds for the E55. When the E55 came to the US the magazine testers ( I mean a lot of them) typically came up with a 0-60 time of 4.2 to 4.3 seconds.
So what does that tell you, the American version E55 is 0.5 seconds faster
because we do speed tests of 0-60mph not 0-62.7mph.
When Mercedes posts factory numbers 0-100km/h (62.7mph) times all you have to do is subtract 0.4 to 0.5 seconds off those factory times for the American versions.
Now Mercedes gave a 0-100km/h (62.7mph) time of 4.5 seconds for the E63.
That means you can subtract 0.4 to 0.5 seconds off that time to come up with a North American test figure number. You can do this with most any Mercedes. Thats why I say 3.9 to 4.0seconds.
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Only time will tell... we shall see.
I hope it is that fast, that way I can really enjoy the look on the E63 drivers face after handing him a nice little beating.
I hope it is that fast, that way I can really enjoy the look on the E63 drivers face after handing him a nice little beating.
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Originally Posted by dragonAMG
Only time will tell... we shall see.
I hope it is that fast, that way I can really enjoy the look on the E63 drivers face after handing him a nice little beating.
I hope it is that fast, that way I can really enjoy the look on the E63 drivers face after handing him a nice little beating.
Very nice... They will be blown out of water and had a total confused face when they raced you...
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Originally Posted by DJe55
You are making the same arguments that the M5 guys made. You do what that got them right? They were wrong! They thought the M5 was going to eat the E55's up and it didn't. It did and the E63 probably will up top but, who cares? Most of us aren't racing to 150mph. It's from a stop light to about 70 or a highway roll up to 100-110mph maybe. BTW I've seen a couple of M5's run at the track, I don't know how you could believe that it would beat an E55 by 24cars. Don't always believe what you see in video's. A lot of things could be going on.
You don`t believe the new BMW M5 is faster than the E55?! watch this video! this is from a 31mph rolling start. The E55 gets a good little start
before the M5 starts to overtake it at 4th gear!! From there on the M5 is 24 car lengths ahead of the E55. As I said the E55 releases it`s massive torque way too earily in the powerband. The E63 releases it 465lb-ft at a higher rpm like the M5 but the E63 is more powerful so should be quit a bit faster.
If you don`t believe the M5 was 24 car lengths ahead I have a MoterTrend
article where thay tested a CLS55 vs M5, the M5 was also 24 car lengths ahead of the CLS55. I`ll post it if you want me to.
These are stock cars, nothing moded! This video has been shortened
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...aceE55vsM5.flv
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04-18-2006, 06:34 PM
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Go to Dragtimes.com and do a comparison if you think the M5 is faster than a stock E55. These are the real world results and not some staged race or a top speed Autobahn run.
As it has been stated numerous times, the M5 will pull on a stock E55 when you reach arrest-me-speeds (115+mph). In the real world (at least the USA), you do not often have a chance to reach those speeds.
As far as the E63, it will likely be marginally faster than a E55 but only time will tell.
I think you read too many magazines............................... and your mother wears army boots.
Go to Dragtimes.com and do a comparison if you think the M5 is faster than a stock E55. These are the real world results and not some staged race or a top speed Autobahn run.
As it has been stated numerous times, the M5 will pull on a stock E55 when you reach arrest-me-speeds (115+mph). In the real world (at least the USA), you do not often have a chance to reach those speeds.
As far as the E63, it will likely be marginally faster than a E55 but only time will tell.
I think you read too many magazines............................... and your mother wears army boots.
04-18-2006, 07:02 PM
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The limitation in acceleration for the E55 is traction ... E63 will be no better ... shorter 1st gear, shorter final drive, no lsd and same rubber ... how can it be THAT much quicker I just dont see it?
I already got my name down for a test drive - as soon as one comes to the UK ...
The E63 will be quick for sure and maybe more complete all round , but it wont feel as quick with its lighter torque lower down and I dont see it taking car lengths out of the E55 at the strip - at best it will be equal.
Rgds Steve.
I already got my name down for a test drive - as soon as one comes to the UK ...
The E63 will be quick for sure and maybe more complete all round , but it wont feel as quick with its lighter torque lower down and I dont see it taking car lengths out of the E55 at the strip - at best it will be equal.
Rgds Steve.
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Originally Posted by GTA7.5
You don`t believe the new BMW M5 is faster than the E55?! watch this video! this is from a 31mph rolling start. The E55 gets a good little start
before the M5 starts to overtake it at 4th gear!! From there on the M5 is 24 car lengths ahead of the E55. As I said the E55 releases it`s massive torque way too earily in the powerband. The E63 releases it 465lb-ft at a higher rpm like the M5 but the E63 is more powerful so should be quit a bit faster.
If you don`t believe the M5 was 24 car lengths ahead I have a MoterTrend
article where thay tested a CLS55 vs M5, the M5 was also 24 car lengths ahead of the CLS55. I`ll post it if you want me to.
These are stock cars, nothing moded!
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...aceE55vsM5.flv
before the M5 starts to overtake it at 4th gear!! From there on the M5 is 24 car lengths ahead of the E55. As I said the E55 releases it`s massive torque way too earily in the powerband. The E63 releases it 465lb-ft at a higher rpm like the M5 but the E63 is more powerful so should be quit a bit faster.
If you don`t believe the M5 was 24 car lengths ahead I have a MoterTrend
article where thay tested a CLS55 vs M5, the M5 was also 24 car lengths ahead of the CLS55. I`ll post it if you want me to.
These are stock cars, nothing moded!
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y70...aceE55vsM5.flv
Your link doesn't work for me. I would love to see that race. And the 24 car length advantage in Motor Trend was, I believe, around a test track, not a straight road. Pretty big difference.
