The 63 engine performance.
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The 63 engine performance.
CLK 63 just tested against M6...
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=76640
Whats interesting is the numbers the AMG puts down. There is sufficient performance up to 100mph (160kph) however, it takes an eternity to complete the next 24mph (6 !!! seconds !!!). So basically in essence, what we have to blame is a pathetically spaced transmission. 1-3rd gears are short, whilst 4-7 are pretty much overdrive! Talk about htting a brick wall at 100mph, your opponent will pretty much sprint away past 100mph.
Then we have the E63: a heavier car, little bit more power, same transmission and gearing. Performance? My guess is probably the same as the CLK63, and once you get past 100mph, the advantage the M5 and M6 have above the E55 in this speed domain (>100mph) will remain, perhaps even more noticeably over the E63.
A step back? Or am I speaking too soon?
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=76640
Whats interesting is the numbers the AMG puts down. There is sufficient performance up to 100mph (160kph) however, it takes an eternity to complete the next 24mph (6 !!! seconds !!!). So basically in essence, what we have to blame is a pathetically spaced transmission. 1-3rd gears are short, whilst 4-7 are pretty much overdrive! Talk about htting a brick wall at 100mph, your opponent will pretty much sprint away past 100mph.
Then we have the E63: a heavier car, little bit more power, same transmission and gearing. Performance? My guess is probably the same as the CLK63, and once you get past 100mph, the advantage the M5 and M6 have above the E55 in this speed domain (>100mph) will remain, perhaps even more noticeably over the E63.
A step back? Or am I speaking too soon?
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Euro version M6, faster than North American M6.... this is the case with the M5 too..
M6 is faster than the M5, therefore I did expect these numbers.
However, the real fight will be with the M5 and E63 and M6 and CLS63 North American versions.
M5/M6 are both crippled by the water down version of the LC and we use lower octane which affects both cars.
Interesting that the M6 still holds its own on the track against a 4 year old W209 chassis.
M6 is faster than the M5, therefore I did expect these numbers.
However, the real fight will be with the M5 and E63 and M6 and CLS63 North American versions.
M5/M6 are both crippled by the water down version of the LC and we use lower octane which affects both cars.
Interesting that the M6 still holds its own on the track against a 4 year old W209 chassis.
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Originally Posted by Bilal
Then we have the E63: a heavier car, little bit more power, same transmission and gearing. Performance? My guess is probably the same as the CLK63, and once you get past 100mph, the advantage the M5 and M6 have above the E55 in this speed domain (>100mph) will remain, perhaps even more noticeably over the E63.
A step back? Or am I speaking too soon?
A step back? Or am I speaking too soon?
But, the E63 has about 32 more HP.
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Originally Posted by Beltfed
Well, in the U.S. we are only getting the CLK63 Cab which will weigh just about the same as the E63......maybe 75-100lbs give or take less.
But, the E63 has about 32 more HP.
But, the E63 has about 32 more HP.
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wow. up to 120kph, the cars are pretty much dead even. then the m6 starts to walk away noticably. it makes sense though. the CLK has much more torque, so in the beginning, it has the power to stay in the game. but, the m6 has more horsepower, a manual tranny and revs higher so it's not unexpected that it eventually pulls away like that.
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Originally Posted by Choson1
wow. up to 120kph, the cars are pretty much dead even. then the m6 starts to walk away noticably. it makes sense though. the CLK has much more torque, so in the beginning, it has the power to stay in the game. but, the m6 has more horsepower, a manual tranny and revs higher so it's not unexpected that it eventually pulls away like that.
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It isn't fair to compare a CLK cab to an E. Flat out isn't.
The E63 will simply be faster than any CLK63 cab.
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It will be very interesting to see a heads up drag race between the 55, 63 and of course the M5 in the states. I still can't believe we don't have one video of a 55 vs M5 yet in the US. Let's finish this thing once and for all. If there are any M5 drivers in SoCal up to the challange I would be more than happy to put this thing to rest once and for all. Three runs 1. 1/4 2. 60 to 130 3 standing 1/2 mile. All on video. No excuses. Seem fair?
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Originally Posted by L8Apex
It will be very interesting to see a heads up drag race between the 55, 63 and of course the M5 in the states. I still can't believe we don't have one video of a 55 vs M5 yet in the US. Let's finish this thing once and for all. If there are any M5 drivers in SoCal up to the challange I would be more than happy to put this thing to rest once and for all. Three runs 1. 1/4 2. 60 to 130 3 standing 1/2 mile. All on video. No excuses. Seem fair?
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Originally Posted by jangy
Odd thing is that a V10 has LESS torque.
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Originally Posted by Choson1
wow. up to 120kph, the cars are pretty much dead even. then the m6 starts to walk away noticably. it makes sense though. the CLK has much more torque, so in the beginning, it has the power to stay in the game. but, the m6 has more horsepower, a manual tranny and revs higher so it's not unexpected that it eventually pulls away like that.
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
my buddy and i have argreed to run his m5 against my e55 as soon as the weather here in az cools down a bit. i'll see about the video thing.
Originally Posted by chiromikey
i can tell you one thing, even without launch control, that m5 is FAST!
Remember, you will be through the 1/4 mile before the M5 or M6 hits 60 mph. Here's proof: https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/154381-hehee-got-kick-out-video.html
Choson1,
The 6 series pictured in your post looks absolutely stunning! Very nice.
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
my buddy and i have argreed to run his m5 against my e55 as soon as the weather here in az cools down a bit. i'll see about the video thing. i can tell you one thing, even without launch control, that m5 is FAST!
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Originally Posted by 2MANYCARS
Well, I wasn't kidding actually. On my CLK, I have the new MB 7SPD trans also, but it had some minor problems such as disengagement while accelerating, something feels like the car stops increasing speed due to software within the tranny control unit. Of course I got it fixed under warranty, but I think it's better to wait a couple years for MB to work out the flaws in the new car than jumping into one right away.
Granted, it hasn't been hooked up to a 507hp engine until now.....but I have faith that MB isn't going to release a dud (especially after past years of being criticized on quality issues).
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
Why is this odd? The number of cylinders an engine uses has no bearing on torque output. BMW's decision to use a V-10 in the M5/M6 was driven by RPM capability, not torque.
Bimmers have always been screamers (i.e. power at top end), since all they do is make plane motors. Stick to facts and physics and Please o Please just stop typing. You don't even make any points that can hold water, so there is nothing to talk about. You say things that only show ignorance, not stupidity. Keep in mind that stupidity is better, since you can control it. The ignorance, well, that is just a reflection on you.
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Originally Posted by L8Apex
We look forward to the video.
So is the 55!
Remember, you will be through the 1/4 mile before the M5 or M6 hits 60 mph. Here's proof: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=154381
So is the 55!
Remember, you will be through the 1/4 mile before the M5 or M6 hits 60 mph. Here's proof: https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=154381
the good thing for us is that bmw deleted the launch control from u.s versions and the tuners still haven't figured out how to re-activate it yet so it shouldn't even be fair from a stop (except the fact that my car has had the latest recall flash performed...but that's another thread).
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'03 E55, Range Rover Sport Supercharged, Ducati 748R
Originally Posted by Grumpy666
Why is this odd? The number of cylinders an engine uses has no bearing on torque output. BMW's decision to use a V-10 in the M5/M6 was driven by RPM capability, not torque.
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
actually there is an indirect relationship with torque output and the number of cylinders an engine uses. typically the more cylinders, the smaller the pistons/bore which equals less torque.
This is NOT rocket science. It has been around for 50 years as is!!
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Originally Posted by jangy
Don't forget that there are more of them, though. Each cylinder may produce less, but you now have more!! Jeez, can we have an educated conversation around here??
This is NOT rocket science. It has been around for 50 years as is!!
This is NOT rocket science. It has been around for 50 years as is!!
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Originally Posted by chiromikey
i didn't forget and stand behind my edumacated statement.
You need to stand behind something bigger than that, if you think you can hide from reality.
