chiromikey

are you saying that an e63 not able to break out of the 13s 1/4mile mark or **** all over a 550 is running to 500+hp spec? talk about

amgme

it someone advertises a spec i'd expect to get what they stated within reason. in this case, it's too far off from spec. people pay a premium for this type of performance and should get what they paid for.

in 1999, owners of the mustang complained they were not getting the hp that was advertised. to sum it all up, ford recalled them and made the modification so it was up to spec.

yes, life if better for me when i destroy tires

2MANYCARS

Going from E430 to E550 is an upgrade, but going from an E55 to E550 is a downgrade, you would be insanely stupid if you do that.

benzmodz

I dont buy it. Im thinking three things.

a) The engine is smoother, EPA friendlier, just different to 5.5K

b) the car is new

c) ECU may be limited or may need flashing

AMG have every right to limit engines until they are proven or worn in. That doesnt mean someone got the pointy end of the stick. All it means is that everyone is impatient.

CyE55

So MB would have a load limit on the E63, but not on the E550?

If so, why wouldn't they limit it to E550 specs?

Cyrus

benzmodz

By all accounts the power seems to be in different bands.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/09/08/v...rt-vs-ferrari/

chiromikey

ummm...well...no. by all accounts the power seems to be ABSENT!!!

btw, that vid is cool and all but it has nothing to do with this discussion.

bfnnrgn

It is, you should try it some time.

OzE55

And of course the driver demographic is probably very different. I suspect there are very few E500/550 (I call it an E500 because thats what it will be in the rest of the world) owners who track or drag their cars, so "limiting" them for break-in period is unnecessary.

I might add that the saving E63 vs E500/550, in Oz, is likely to be in the order of $50-70k! If you're like me and enjoy the power of the AMG but see the power differential is now halved, it is a contender.

benzmodz

I wouldn't say it was a waste of time if I had never done it.

Give me double glazed windows and silky smooth power any day.

pterion

So let me get this straight.
AMG decided to build an engine from the gound up, to power the next line of high perfromance mercedes.
They design a 6.2L V8 that makes 507hp/465ftlbs. They pair it with a 7 speed transmission and release it in an E class body to be the top of the line E in performace.
meanwhile MB takes their standard E and just drops in a 5.5 litre V8 that makes about 125 less HP and 100 less ftlbs of torque. An without even trying, MB makes a car that is faster than AMG's.

AMG's response is "well I guess we will just have to lie about how fast the 6.3l engine is for a couple of years.... what sounds good to you guys.. 4.3sec to 60?"
Hell why not claim 3.9?

PT

benzmodz

Yeah but if you got ripped by a smart car you would think your car had 50bhp.

Without knowing the road conditions, the driver behaviour and the fuel in the tank I would think that it is all just speculation.

benzmodz

Owning a 63 does not make the owner a car engineer. These things are so new that not everything is known about them.

pterion

Huh?
I never said I was an engineer.

Wait as sec....

Ok I just went and checked and a framed degree from MIT on the wall in my office seems to indicate that I do have a degree in engineering.

But that is not the point. I just am confused as to how AMG would put out a E that is slower than the e550.

PT

DerekFSU

It's a conspiracy against me for the nitrous. Everyone else's E63 will run 12.4 or better. At least, I hope this is the case.

pterion

E63 AMG:

507hp 465ftlbs
weight: 4050lbs
1/4 mile: 13.1 at 108

Ford Mustang GT500 vert
500 HP 480ftlbs
weight: 4040
1/4 mile: 12.1 @ 117
http://media.putfile.com/Ted-1210-116

Similar weight and power, but the americans we able to get the car a whole second and 10mph faster...

BlkE63AMG

Everything you guys have been getting and talking about makes me think that the E63 is limited close to the spec of the E550. Why not limit the E550 someone asked? Well b/c its not an AMG model and has a totally different engine. Were the 540's and 550's limited like the M5? I'm not all that confident that the 9/15 event is going to show anything different unless some of those cars are broken in. I think everyone is all in a tizzy for no reason. Can ANY of you believe that there are people considering trading in their E55 for an E550 (which is clearly slower) b/c they think the AMG version is going to be slower than the MB version? Get a grip and give it time. I CANNOT believe how people are freakin' out!!!! We'll see what happens as time goes along. Has anyone heard anything from the CLK or CLS guys and how their cars are running? Haven't seen similar concerns as yet but I bet their cars are limited as well. Mark my words, AMG would not put out a car that is slower than MB's. I've stated this before and I will say it again, AMG would not make claims that they could not back up. They know the cars will be tested and dragged and any inconsistences will be found. Did BMW openly announce that the M5 was going to be limited? Why should AMG? If the engines are 'sick' then they will have to be fixed, car manufacturers know this. For heaven's sake, RELAX. There are a few of us that have taken the plunge on the E63 and we will certainly let you know how it pans out. There is no reason for you guys to sell your 55K's until everything is hashed out unless you love the linear acceleration.

Let's talk again when an E63 has 3-4K miles on it. If it sucks then we can panic. If it is noted that it starts blowing E550's and SLK55's out of the water then we're back in business.

chiromikey

at least bmw's redline adjusts to a lower rpm and you knowingly can't go into full m mode until after break-in. if this is the case (which i hope and expect it is) for the e63 it might have been a tiny bit of information that a new owner would find useful and important.

BlkE63AMG

Well, think about this, if you wanted to make sure that an engine was broken in properly without too much load, would you simply say "break it in cautiously" or would you make sure it is. I bet there is a lot riding on this new engine and AMG wants to avoid engine failures as much as they can. Of course, this is nothing but speculation. We all saw what happened when the new M3's came out and there were a good bit of rodbearing issues etc.

By the way, do all MB cars have a 1-3K 'free service welcome' or is it AMG cars. Did the E55 have that as well? Just curious....

RJC

I'm getting sooo tired of all this stuff as it's becoming a bit madning; when the hell are the major US car mag's going to do a full E63 test????

Vadim @ FD

Just spoke to one of our tech's who happen to come in the store.

He just returned from AMG 63 training this week. He does not recall any mention of break-in software vs. regular software. He is going to verify it on Monday.

I will post as soon as I know.

Stay tuned.

RJC

Thanks Vadim, I'd truly be suprised if there was such a software in the car albeit a great idea to protect the driveline to an extent.

55fanatic

Ok guys... after talking with some folks from MBUSA... INCLUDING THE REGULAR AMG personell... it seems that these 63 engines have another
50+/-HP before they begin reaching there design limits... Currently the reason WHY they are so slacking is because of the 7spd transmission.

The REASON why they will not mate the 6.3 to a beefy 5spd is because of Marketing, plane and simple... everyone else is offering some big number transmissions so Mercedes must, not even an option. Also as told at AMGfest... there is another transmission in the work. Someone even said that the next generation 7speed is sitting in a lab getting built

Next everyone says the E63 is slow off the line... having drove the ML, CLS, and E 63 briefly at AMGfest I can say this... I believe it do be gearing, there IS a lot of output on these cars, I believe that AMG and Mercedes have purposely made 1st gear a bit on the lacking side so that there is more traction off the get go. Once second and 3rd gears roll around the car is def planted and ON ITS WAY TO THE RACES. An E55 gives you everything it has off the get go... and you spin tires, shift, spin more tires, shift... ok go(a little on the exagerated side but demonstrates what happens)

Twin Turbo... not happening for some time, plain and simple

E550 4matic as fast as an E63? I dont think its a comparison. That would mean the E55 and E550 are similar in speed... NOT CLOSE. The 550 RWD have already begun laying down some track times that rival sports cars...550s have already begun running low 13 times... E63 has run consistant mid 12 times which pegs it incredibly close to an E55. 550 4matic will run slower...

I would bet the E550 4matic is abut the same times as the current E500 RWD?

TopGun32

please share your E63 time slips for a north american car.. i have yet to see a video or slip showing mid 12's

Derek's E63 is the only E63 in this forum that we know has ran at the track.

I'm not a hater, and I'm very much a fan of the E63. I keep hoping all of the speculations and random test conducted by some members are just cases of bad drivers or break in periods.

Maybe the E63 will suffer from "break in" restriction as the M5... and it will perform better after 2 or 3k miles.

we will know soon...

The next E63 scheduled to run will be next friday in "Fontana"

There will be a few stock E55's and the weather should be dry and warm. We will see if the NA really does pay off under hot weather conditions.

DerekFSU

Do show, I'm hoping you're correct.