AMG 6.3 Conspiracy?
09-11-2006 | 06:07 PM
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While a low dyno could be the smoking gun, your statement above is incorrect. Gearing alone can make a dramatic change. I've seen cars drop .25-.50 off their ET with a conservative gearing change. Same with converters - loosen up the converter and watch the times drop.
09-11-2006 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by WayneE
Did MB tighten up the converter on the E63 to improve drivetrain loss and driveability? That change, along with gearing, may account for some of the sluggish performance off the line.
Right. A motor with less torque, that peaks higher, would need a looser converter vs. a motor making an ***-load (technical measurement) like the 55k. If they tightened up the converter on the E63, it could have a drastic effect on acceleration.
09-11-2006 | 06:50 PM
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The US Mags Tested the E55 very early
Gotta love conspiracy theories. They rarely make any sense or have any meaning. Just because the U.S. mags haven't tested anything yet doesn't mean there is something going on. Each and every Mercedes product for 2007, except for the C and SLK has a new engine variant, been facelifted or is all new. For months now there has been one MB after another in all of the major publications. If anything is being held back it is because they're all gettting ready to do some comparison tests. Just think about all the new Benzes that haven't been tested yet, the CLK550, CLK63, ML63, R63, E550, E63, CLS63, CLS550. The GL450, S600, SL550 and S550 have just all made their rounds at Motor Trend and Car and Driver within the last few months so it takes time folks. You'll see a E63 vs. S6 vs M5 vs Quattroporte Sport GT or something like that soon enough and you know the new "550" versions of the E/CLS are going to be tested, particularly the E550 vs. 550i. Time folks, time.
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09-11-2006 | 07:08 PM
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CLK63,GL450,E550 and the new ML have also been tested in the US. I reported a while back one of the US mag's had a brief test of the E63 and mentioned "it did not have the same shove you into the back of the seat as the E55"....
I also am very much looking to a full US test of the E63 and more importantly a side/side comp of it against the E55. Remember no matter what, the mag's wil always have some kind things to say about almost all new releases to keep their advertisers happy. I too am suprised we haven't seen more on the E63 since the E AMG was always such a popular and benchmarked HP sedan.
I also fully expect the E63's from MB press fleet will be performing at the top of their game, expect 0-60's about 2-3 tenth's less than the E55's which will mostly come from better traction and gearing...oh yea its smoooother too lol!!!
I also am very much looking to a full US test of the E63 and more importantly a side/side comp of it against the E55. Remember no matter what, the mag's wil always have some kind things to say about almost all new releases to keep their advertisers happy. I too am suprised we haven't seen more on the E63 since the E AMG was always such a popular and benchmarked HP sedan.
I also fully expect the E63's from MB press fleet will be performing at the top of their game, expect 0-60's about 2-3 tenth's less than the E55's which will mostly come from better traction and gearing...oh yea its smoooother too lol!!!
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09-11-2006 | 07:16 PM
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09-11-2006 | 07:19 PM
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This was posted some time ago and both cars tested very slow compared to reported previous #'s...well at least the M5 did 
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09-11-2006 | 08:12 PM
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I've seen cars drop .25-.50 off their ET with a conservative gearing change
Plus E63 has tigher gearing from 7-speed trans.
09-12-2006 | 05:52 AM
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Nothing strange about it really, think about how many new Mercedes' have been introduced for 2007, the mags can only test so many at a time. The S550, S600 and SL55 have just made their rounds, now it will be the ML63, E63, CLK63 etc. etc. as the months go foward. Pluse all the mags for October are new car issues with lots of reporting on every brand.
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09-12-2006 | 10:46 AM
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09-12-2006 | 11:57 PM
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These times are horrible!!!but "dead-on" with what Derek's E63 did at the track.
Some stats compared:
E63//////0-100 in 10.8///0-111 in 13.5(hence 13 flat 1/4 @110 is normal!!)
E55//////0-100 in 9.4 ///0-117 in 12.4 (#'s are stout over E63)
E55(K2)/0-100 in 7.7 ///0-121 in 11.8(many different forum members!!!)
I hope AMG fixes the performance disparity FAST!!!
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09-13-2006 | 02:17 AM
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What an interesting twist to the horsepower race that Mercedes so despirately wants to sit atop of.
They build what is toted as the first all-amg engine only to be exposed by an enlightened group of enthusiats whose preliminary findings say that a 55K car will own a 63 in the quarter-mile all day long. Not to mention that a lightly moddified 55K will walk away from a 63 at any speed.
They build what is toted as the first all-amg engine only to be exposed by an enlightened group of enthusiats whose preliminary findings say that a 55K car will own a 63 in the quarter-mile all day long. Not to mention that a lightly moddified 55K will walk away from a 63 at any speed.
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09-13-2006 | 04:54 AM
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