how about bringing your dyno to the dealer and see what they have to say about it. they might be able to initiate some talks w/ amg, etc and perhaps might get someone to fly down there to investigate. i agree, 380rwhp does not equate to 507 unless there's a load limit or the tranny simply leeches 30%of the engine's power which i find hard to believe.

 

HAHA!! I'm there!!

 

I'm just bustin Jay's chops, it has nothing to do with you.

I do wish I would have seen the 911 and M6

 

Here are some video's from yesterday:


http://www.mrmugman.com/videos/e63.wmv

http://www.mrmugman.com/videos/m6.wmv

http://www.mrmugman.com/videos/e55k2.wmv

 

Haha after all this time, you finally have a reason to go out dragging with us. No more excuse ok? Racelegal is going on this Friday 22nd, JRocket u in?

 

Im there unless I'm forgetting other previous plans.

 

I want to know what kind of happy pill all of you E63 flag waivers take to give you that die hard myopic rose colored view. It seems that no evidence no matter how blantent can allow you to face the possibility that the HP claims are not accurate. EXPLAIN how a dynojet that has been used countless other times to measure RWHP accurately on other exotics now measures a particularly low number. Is this a magical tranny that has significantly higher drivetrain loss or are you going to start blaming the instrumentation now? No one is saying that the E63 isnt a great handling or breaking car. The point is ONE of the main value propositions is that the car has 507hp. It is not up to you, or a mercedes benz exec to determine whether or not that should be of value to you. To many people here the whole point of owning an AMG car is its raw power....not its handling. For many of the owners here, they may even own a track car, but want the mercedes for great straight line acceleration capabilities and tremendous horsepower ratings. The evidence seems to be indicating that the E63 does not make its claimed HP numbers. So why the flag waiving? Stop being idiots

 

and if it turns out that MBZ is making cars underrated by 30 to 40 hp, that is ok??!?!?!?!?!??!

 

OK, let me know latest is Thursday if you can make it. Jang has my number and know where I live so he can bust my chops anytime he wants.

 

ok, who's planning our trip to bakersfield?

i went up there once at night.... many years ago. i wonder if they still do the friday night test and tune...

 

No, it really sucks and he has a valid gripe.
Call me an optimist but i really believe it's an ecu restriction. If come 2000 or more miles these things don't start running 114++ trap speeds they are going to get sued.

 

Anyone videotape lil' ol' me at some point... sniff...



Loren

 

Ive been to Famoso a few times,good track in the winter as long as the wind isnt blowing.Private rental is the only way to go,10-20 cars tops.This way you can do what ever you want,its your track.

 

any ideas how much it is for 20 cars? i bet its cheaper than the fontana track (its bako afterall...) and we could get a good batch of cars up there. it cools down in the winter too... which could be great.

 

Is it at all possible that there may be an additional setting we are not aware of to get the E63 in full dyno mode therefore causing the shortfall when measured? If it proves there is no reasonable explanation justifying the shortfall of power I would not believe anything MB or AMG has to say about anything from this day forward...

 

I don't know if we can put much creedence in what AMG or MB says right now...3-4 seconds on a road course is a LOT.

 

If this ends up being true,I also would lose faith in the AMG power.I just cant see AMG/MB hanging their weiners out like that.

 

I guess I am one of the E63 flag waivers, but I will be first in line at the dealership demanding my 93,000$ back (ok I am leasing but you get the point) if the car is not actually making 507 at the flywheel, but we need proof.

We need to confront AMG with the results so far and get a response and if there is no load limiter, no break-in peroid, no explanation for the 380rwhp then we should get our money back. Whether the car performs well as is (which I think it does, but again I do not drag race), that would not matter if MB actually lied about the power output.

But I still don't think that the track results alone constitute proof at this point.

PT

 

Stupid question.

The cars are being brake-torqued, right?

 

Some were and some were not.

 

what...no one wants to give up their secrets...or is everyone too embarrassed by the day.

 

There is no secret.Too many variations too say theres one real technique.Street tires/drag radials,stock car/modded car etc.

The best way to get results is too make alot of passes.First start off easing into the throttle then after each pass tray to leave at a higher rpm.Try to keep your pre staging stuff the same(burn outs etc)Change 1 thing at a time so you can see if you are making things worse or better.dont go out and do a huge burn out,then flat foot the car,come back,then a small burnout and p-brake the car at 2500 rpm off the line.You'll never find out what the car and track surface are wanting.I prefer it in dyno mode an try to get the feel of what the car is doing over the trouble and power loss the esp will give you.If you dont like that way then put on DR's,get them hot and pull straight to the line,p-brake up to about 1500-2000 and flat foot it.

 

I'm hardly a performance specialist, but I'd think that a car like the E63 would get bogged down easier than the E55, since the torque comes in higher in the rev band. And if they were being brake-torqued, the rpm to release it also becomes a point of contention, where it seems that for the 55s merely "stomping on it" was enough. But I'm sure it's already been tried.

 

You cant stomp on the 55 as much as you can the 63.And with out traction nothing can be stomped on,even the low tq'ed 63.It takes more finess to drive the 55 out of the hole compared to the 63,no matter what condition.

 

Since you quoted my comments when you wrote this, I feel compelled to respond in part. Elsewhere, you seem to be confusing the comments of others for mine, so I will not waste time addressing those words.

With the exception of DerekFSU, I think there are few out there who can say they have as actively sought out the answer to this question: "How does the E63 compare to the E55?":

How do I back up that claim?
1. I specifically kept my E55 so I could do some informal testing, before selling it. Its still parked in my driveway. It would have been cheaper to turn it in to the dealer, but I honestly wanted to know how it stacked up to the new car. This kind of testing is not indicative of one who enjoys wearing spectacles the color of rose. I could have been living in the ignorant bliss of my butt dyno this whole time.
2. I did test the 2 cars (informally and unscientifically I fully admit), and wrote up a very detailed summary of my experience, which I posted for all to see and comment on.
3. I actually took my car to the track and raced it all day long stock to stock with E55s, prepared to accept the outcome. This was despite lots of pre-race negativity about all these issues. Has anyone else raced an E63 against E55s on the same track and same day yet?
4. I have tried to read all that has been written on the subject, and posted earlier in the week a German car magazine’s E63 review with the first published ¼ mile time I know of.
These are not the actions of someone interested in a rose colored myopic pro-E63 view, at the expense of the truth.

Here is another cross check on reality: My E63 with its stock tires on this poor track was only .22 seconds slower in the quarter mile than best time for an E55 with drag radials, a K&N snorkel, and a driver 95 pounds lighter than me (Luv ya Jay55!). What does this prove? Nothing for absolute sure, but it gives some good indications that the E63 is at least in the same league as the great E55 in the ¼ mile in these conditions.

You can choose to ignore the facts that those in attendance seem to all agree on, but yesterday at this track, whatever the real HP numbers are, the stock cars we very close.

By the way, you make yourself look less intelligent when you need to call others “idiots”, rather than logically showing them to be so.