Jrocket

I cant recall this one.Can you point me to the thread,Im interested in reading your dealings on it.Nevermind I found it.Was your car a special case or?

Can you find out what night is the least crowded out there for us to do some racing?

Vetluver

As far as I know AMG spends hours on the dyno with the engine prior to installing into the chassis. At the challenge the instructors essentially told me that break in is unnecessary. I can't imagine the 63 being any different.

vraa

The engine is broken in, the rest of the car isn't.

getbitten

Bingo.

Ted Baldwin

.............werd!!!

Ted

BENZGal

Jrocket,
I in no way meant to offend you or anyone. My point is that this issue is not new. My tuner is not special and they did the same thing that the other tuners are doing to help us with this issue. Remember I am still missing 15hp so they didn't fix the whole problem, they just got the load limit removed. I still have my warranty after talking to MB, and they offered me a new ECU un flashed with my warranty. The phone call was very positive and I didn't have to give up anything for them to help me. I have thought about ordering the new ECU, but 15hp is really not that much after I install my final mods. The car is plenty fast.

I thought I did have a seperate issue because only a few were posting about it. I have read tons of posts from people saying they didn't know if they believed all the reflash stuff. Only after I offered to talk to people via PM about it, did I realise how big this problem is. I have talked to several people that have my same problem, but have decided not to post it. These boards can be so harsh sometimes and lets face it, some people don't have the guts to talk about stuff. I was just venting that it would have been nice to have a few of you on that call.

sithlordabe

I couldn't agree more. I do have a really good plan to solve this problem, though... someone buy me one of the E63's that are sitting in some of the dealer's showrooms (I know there's at least a couple), and I'll gladly make the four or five required roundtrip drives to Vegas (each one from here will add around 850 miles to the clock). Within a couple weeks we'll have an E63 ready for proper testing.

You think I'm joking?

FlyByNight

es la verdad

Jrocket

I am not offended easily,none taken.I do apologize if my words came across harsh,they are only words and I can not display the tone in which they were typed.I was just asking off the top of my head is all.

On the ecu issue,I'm curious if they can remove the load limiters from all ecu's now or if it was just a lucky deal with yours? If they can,it would seem they could be extremely busy fixing this problem.I haven't heard any buzz about it anywhere?

vader

I would love to hear the answer myself...

norb

Again, funny, when the E55 was just intro'd no one got 13's, lots of people got 12s, but now we have all kinds of excuses why the 63 is in the 13's. The big debate was when someone posted they went into the 11's. Now the debate is why its in the 13's. Doesn't make sense.

sithlordabe

What bugs me the most is the lack of an official response from MB (or AMG) on this matter, since I'm sure they know that some E63 owners are having issues with their power output.

Same thing with my beef on the lack of paddles on the W221 S65 in the US in the other subforum. Still no response or official word. *sigh*

Ted Baldwin

............ther doctor cannot cure a disease that does not exist. We got very little support and mostly ridicule when we talked about this ECU flash problem. Nice to see that people are now paying attention.

Ted

GMW

I don't know about how much of an increase the breakin will do but from my experience on the S550 (221) vs the S500 (220) There was a big difference. From seat of the pants and the tyre squealing. 40-50 hp increase would seam possible. It was like driving a small output V8 and as far as I remember when my Dad got the S500 (220) the difference after 5-7,000 miles was a small improvement not like on the S550 where its like a light pressure turbo was added. I believe there is a limiter on the gearbox or engine or both. That's why I believe the E63's will be getting faster in a bit.

Every new car has a slight but noticeable improvement once broken in but I never felt such a jump like I did in the S550 that's why I bring it up. Heck even my C280 felt quite a bit better after 5,000 miles. The only similarity with these two and the E63 is that they all have the new 4 valve variable-tech engines and the new 7-speed gearboxes. I guess we'll have to wait for someone with more than 5,000 miles on the clock to conclude on this issue.

SmokinV10

Thanks for the scientific analysis, but for future reference that dyno that you think you have built into your *** isnt exactly a calibrated tool.

BENZGal

Sorry I'm bad!!!

I meant to say...removed load limit issue. They reflashed my car with another MB and then put the powerchip back on. My tuner has been able to help every customer this way. Cory is doing the same thing, but for some strange reason some of his clients cars are not accepting a previous version ECU flash. I feel super bad for those people! Cory knows his stuff so I am sure a fix is right around the corner. My tuner is also working on a fix.

Before they got my car flashed back to a previous version, I bought and ported Vrus TB, and installed it only to throw a check engine light as soon as it hit the load limit. My dyno showed a loss of about 70hp after the recall. It's funny I saw that guys thread asking where his 70hp went? LOL Just so that you all know, 65-75hp has become the average number.

My phone call with MBUSA helped me understand how complex this problem really is. I was feeling really bad for myself until I decided to get a quote last week to convert my car to a 6.0L. "F" the ECU.

BENZGal

Werd!!

rflow306

Well Ted, thanks to you posting this info online a while back and pte informing me about the obdII blocks, I was able to avoid the entire problem.

FlyByNight

GMW

That was funny! What an intelligent observation!

Kens-E55

I agree 100% with this. I had my Recall ECU done, but Kleemann was able to write over the re-call and put down some respectable #'s on the dyno.(K2)
Otherwise - I would have been "screamin"!! at the serv rep.
I think the whole recall is BS and they're trying to get the 55's to be no faster than the 63's!! Just my .02

RichVA

Then it would be an Audi... =-0

(Audi just needs to make more RS's... problem solved)



... Based on these concerns, would any of you still buy the E63? I mean there is a bit more then just the supposed power increases, like ventilated seats and uh... umm... ...well, would you? For a full loaded price of say $96?

I was looking to get an E63, order in July or so and then wait and Euro delivery, but I don't want to have this little thing in the back of my mind telling me all I bought was a fancier badge and a flashy new look while my *** is being cooled in the hot sun. Would someone say that this is enough to convince you not to make the move?