500WHP E63 (stock)
09-27-2006, 01:25 PM
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If you watch and listen to that video closely, the narrator actually admits that the E55 is generally a couple tenths quicker in the 1/4 mile. The video shows an expert in the E63 racing a newbie in an E55.
It is my belief that the E63 does usually launch better (hence the better factory 0-60 quotes). However, the word is that the new transmission on the E63 is the weak link in any plan to significantly bump up the power in the E63. Assuming that is true, an E55 is a better choice if you plan to significantly mod it.
It is my belief that the E63 does usually launch better (hence the better factory 0-60 quotes). However, the word is that the new transmission on the E63 is the weak link in any plan to significantly bump up the power in the E63. Assuming that is true, an E55 is a better choice if you plan to significantly mod it.
The transmission seemed to be the problem for the 65s as well and put alot of people off when it came to modding. But, now if you look around you see a couple 65s running around modded with no problem...
Might be the same, might not. Even if it is true, the tranny can be re-enforced. Can it not?
09-27-2006, 01:35 PM
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If that's the case with that video, I would like to see one pro to pro. Although I still believe the E63 will be faster. There is just no launching that E55 without going sideways (at least from what I've seen at the tracks), and the 63s higher hp figures I think will keep it ahead even in the long run.
The transmission seemed to be the problem for the 65s as well and put alot of people off when it came to modding. But, now if you look around you see a couple 65s running around modded with no problem...
Might be the same, might not. Even if it is true, the tranny can be re-enforced. Can it not?
The transmission seemed to be the problem for the 65s as well and put alot of people off when it came to modding. But, now if you look around you see a couple 65s running around modded with no problem...
Might be the same, might not. Even if it is true, the tranny can be re-enforced. Can it not?
Regarding the launch of a stock E55, I politely differ. I think its pretty easy to launch with ESP on and not get sideways. Others disagree with me on this point. It could be that my launches are slow.
Me know nothing about transmission reinforcing so me no comment.
09-27-2006, 01:46 PM
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I know Renntech can strengthen the tranny and they are working on mods for the E63 that should be out within 30 to 60 days.
09-27-2006, 01:49 PM
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I would love to see the pro vs pro race too. I would love to have this E55 vs E63 debate settled. I admit I would be very happy to see the E63 do well.
Regarding the launch of a stock E55, I politely differ. I think its pretty easy to launch with ESP on and not get sideways. Others disagree with me on this point. It could be that my launches are slow.
Me know nothing about transmission reinforcing so me no comment.
Regarding the launch of a stock E55, I politely differ. I think its pretty easy to launch with ESP on and not get sideways. Others disagree with me on this point. It could be that my launches are slow.
Me know nothing about transmission reinforcing so me no comment.
I'm in the market for a new car, and my mind is set on the E-Class. The 63 in particular due to the, no offense, some what dated looks of the 55. But, I will go for whichever is faster... the 55 is still amazing and is only dated in comparison. I just like the whole... Darth Vader look the 63 portrays black on black ESPECIALLY Mche55's E63. God that thing looks vicious. lol so, I'm a bit biased towards the 63...
As far as launching goes, who knows? Maybe at the track I have only seen people with ESP off, but all I know is I've seen stock Datsuns clear the 60FT better than some E55s. It just SITS and SPINS...
And I know nothing about transmissions either... I was hoping you would, so you could tell me, and I don't look like idiot because I don't know, but I guess were in the same boat. lol I'm sure its do-able though. I mean, if they make a 1000WHP Mitsubishi Evo run around with a 4 banger, I'm pretty sure the Mercs can be made to run around with the equivelant power.
09-27-2006, 01:49 PM
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^^ of course any wally hamfist can floor it with esp on and leave the line cleanly, obviously any esp interaction will hamper the 60ft time. It seems commonly spoken of that the quickest launches involve feathering or progressive throttle to get a truly impressive launch. But leave esp on and trigger the esp, well there's your impressive launch turned into an average launch. ESP off and you have to tackle wheelspin, hence why some say its not the easiest car to launch perfectly. Wish i had some track time with mine to see for myself the actual time difference with each technique.
Of course your not gonna get sideways with ESP on! but this is not the fastest way to launch! Your launches must be slow
Of course your not gonna get sideways with ESP on! but this is not the fastest way to launch! Your launches must be slow
09-27-2006, 01:51 PM
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I know Renntech can strengthen the tranny and they are working on mods for the E63 that should be out within 30 to 60 days.
09-27-2006, 01:55 PM
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09-27-2006, 01:57 PM
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^^ of course any wally hamfist can floor it with esp on and leave the line cleanly, obviously any esp interaction will hamper the 60ft time. It seems commonly spoken of that the quickest launches involve feathering or progressive throttle to get a truly impressive launch. But leave esp on and trigger the esp, well there's your impressive launch turned into an average launch. ESP off and you have to tackle wheelspin, hence why some say its not the easiest car to launch perfectly. Wish i had some track time with mine to see for myself the actual time difference with each technique.
Of course your not gonna get sideways with ESP on! but this is not the fastest way to launch! Your launches must be slow
Of course your not gonna get sideways with ESP on! but this is not the fastest way to launch! Your launches must be slow
09-27-2006, 02:02 PM
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If the esp is left on it will engage itself if you start to lose traction at any point meaning you can't do a burn out with it on. If turned off it will not "trigger" itself if your wheels lose traction.
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09-27-2006, 02:08 PM
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I did just that. Search for posts started by me, if interested.
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09-27-2006, 02:09 PM
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I meant "trigger". I knew what the ESP does, what I'm saying is what is the best way to launch the E55? Slowly dipping in the throttle?
09-27-2006, 05:03 PM
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09-27-2006, 05:46 PM
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The concerns you guys express in this and other threads regarding the E63 transmission really don't have much foundation. It's big torque down low that breaks drivetrain parts, not big torque up high. The higher the torque peak is in the RPM band, the less the impact to breakage.
The E63 tranny is rated for well over 500 lb-ft. I don't see the E63 getting anywhere close to the tranny's limits with the mods that will become available. Except for tweaking the ECU, none of them will actually increase torque - they will just shift it a little higher in the RPM range and increase HP.
Now, if someone decides to add a couple small turbos, all bets are off.
The E63 tranny is rated for well over 500 lb-ft. I don't see the E63 getting anywhere close to the tranny's limits with the mods that will become available. Except for tweaking the ECU, none of them will actually increase torque - they will just shift it a little higher in the RPM range and increase HP.
Now, if someone decides to add a couple small turbos, all bets are off.
09-28-2006, 12:37 AM
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You talkin' to me? I did just that.
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/163075-e63-vs-e55-post-drag-race-perspective.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/163075-e63-vs-e55-post-drag-race-perspective.html
09-28-2006, 01:57 AM
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Wow. I sure hope the E63 does better than 13.2 and I hope the only reason it got so low was because, you were inexpeirenced and the track was in bad condition...
After seeing the drag video done by AMG, or whoever, with the **** talking... I was honestly, I know it may have been wishful thinking, hoping the E63 to be an 11-second car. Seeing as it put about 2-3 cars on the E55, and since 1 car = .1 seconds, a stock E55 can run 12 flat, ergo my hastily and obviously incoorect put together time of 11.7 - 11.8...
Dude, I'm so in la la land... someone save me
I'm sorry, but I'm just a wee bit dissapointed in the E63-- hope to see MAJOR improvements in both time and HP figures in the near future...
After seeing the drag video done by AMG, or whoever, with the **** talking... I was honestly, I know it may have been wishful thinking, hoping the E63 to be an 11-second car. Seeing as it put about 2-3 cars on the E55, and since 1 car = .1 seconds, a stock E55 can run 12 flat, ergo my hastily and obviously incoorect put together time of 11.7 - 11.8...
Dude, I'm so in la la land... someone save me
I'm sorry, but I'm just a wee bit dissapointed in the E63-- hope to see MAJOR improvements in both time and HP figures in the near future...
09-28-2006, 01:51 PM
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[QUOTE=Exodus;1772964]Wow. I sure hope the E63 does better than 13.2 and I hope the only reason it got so low was because, you were inexpeirenced and the track was in bad condition...
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I think E63s will do way better than 13.2. You can see the results and commnts from that day to see everyone across the board was slow.
I too was hoping for a 1/4 mile time for the E63 faster than the typical E55 (I guessed 12.2), but do not have my hopes up at this time.
On the subject of the 7sp transmission mentioned in earlier posts, today's AutoWeek magazine (pg 12) mentions that the CL600 has to use the old 5 speed tranny to handle its higher torque.
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I think E63s will do way better than 13.2. You can see the results and commnts from that day to see everyone across the board was slow.
I too was hoping for a 1/4 mile time for the E63 faster than the typical E55 (I guessed 12.2), but do not have my hopes up at this time.
On the subject of the 7sp transmission mentioned in earlier posts, today's AutoWeek magazine (pg 12) mentions that the CL600 has to use the old 5 speed tranny to handle its higher torque.
