C&D runs the E63, M5 (manual) and S6 heads up....
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i hate those cocky and concieted m5 guys, if u notice veeyrone on this forums accepts when theres a better andd faster car, but the m5 guys are always like "m5 is the best and will be the best", they will never accept it and when it loses an comparo, they start with the "what if's" and "if" it was smg and all that other bull****.
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yeah that is the typical retort from the Roundel Boys. At least we were never that pathetic to say:
"Wait until the straights from a dig"
I loved my E46 M3 and E39 M5 by the way so there is German love not just Benzo love but the whole twisty thing that gets mentioned is old.
"Wait until the straights from a dig"
I loved my E46 M3 and E39 M5 by the way so there is German love not just Benzo love but the whole twisty thing that gets mentioned is old.
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The E63 is definitely the best looking of the bunch too. The M5 is almost 200lbs lighter than the E ?? Thats a lot...It doesn't make up for that mascara faced front sheetmetal though.
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ditto...
back to the orignal post:
I think the M5's times are off.. way off.. The trap is okay, but the time is not a real representation of a 500hp v10 car. The car weighs a bit less than the E and should have enough power to dip into 12's.
I'm pretty sure MT will swing on BMW's favor to offset C/D.
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they compare the "S" car because the RS6 is not out yet. But.... if the rumors prove to be true the bi-turbo 10cyl with around 550-580 hp will be in it. then the audi cars will be in the same realm as the others and be a better direct comparison.
the rs6 is due for its 1st debut in geneva 2007. maybe a mid-late 2008 car.
although I read that in 2009 BWM is uping the HP to 550 at least on the current v10 they have. And......... by then the 63 motor will be a bi-turbo with 650HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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the rs6 is due for its 1st debut in geneva 2007. maybe a mid-late 2008 car.
although I read that in 2009 BWM is uping the HP to 550 at least on the current v10 they have. And......... by then the 63 motor will be a bi-turbo with 650HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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they compare the "S" car because the RS6 is not out yet. But.... if the rumors prove to be true the bi-turbo 10cyl with around 550-580 hp will be in it. then the audi cars will be in the same realm as the others and be a better direct comparison.
the rs6 is due for its 1st debut in geneva 2007. maybe a mid-late 2008 car.
although I read that in 2009 BWM is uping the HP to 550 at least on the current v10 they have. And......... by then the 63 motor will be a bi-turbo with 650HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
-Moldy
the rs6 is due for its 1st debut in geneva 2007. maybe a mid-late 2008 car.
although I read that in 2009 BWM is uping the HP to 550 at least on the current v10 they have. And......... by then the 63 motor will be a bi-turbo with 650HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
-Moldy
I really don't know why they persistantly wait until the very end of the run before releasing the RS models, but it's one of the more boneheaded marketing decisions I've seen.
I can see waiting a year or so after the model line is introduced to generate additional excitement, but the end of the run is moronic...it may generate a bit of excitement and move some cars off of the lot before the run ends, *but* the people who spring for these expensive RSx models aren't going to be very thrilled when a less-expensive Mx or AMG comes out a year later and kicks sand in their face, which will fall right into the "fool me once" category...a shame, because they are great cars, and deserve better marketing.
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No, I'm not sure I believe it...... I happened to be at my dealer this morning so I asked them about this topic and we pulled the part numbers from the CLS63 and E63. They have not made any changes or updates to the intake for the CLS63 or E63. They showed me other examples of when a part is changed how it gets a superseded part number.
I know, let the conspiracy theorists start.... I am sure they didn't change the part number so no one would ever find out. Yet they are willing to tell Renntech all of the secrets of AMG since he worked there 15 years ago......
Enjoy!
I know, let the conspiracy theorists start.... I am sure they didn't change the part number so no one would ever find out. Yet they are willing to tell Renntech all of the secrets of AMG since he worked there 15 years ago......
Enjoy!
Well..............................If you look up E55 Heads part # and then look up
E500 Heads part #,....they are the same??????????????? So your explanation above, about what your MB tech is saying kinda has a hole in it.
Fact - The fastest an E63 could do early year was 13.01@ 109!! FACT!!
Now we see them doing consistent 12.6/12.7 @ 114.............and you're going to tell me they did not change something???????
Oh well..............not my concern......just giving out some info here for potential buyers.
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Well i would just get a SMG M5 and whoop the E63 then... Previous SMG M5 C&D test numbers are faster then the new numbers for the E63.... The manual M5 cannot disable DSC as of yet and the gears are longer then the SMG version.
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I think we as MB owners should give thanks to BMW and the M5. They were the ones that stoked the fires in this segment. I remember a few years ago when performance was a dirty word. BMW has made MB perk up and build cars we all love. 
I think that both the M5 and E55/63 are supercars in sheeps clothing and we should all thank our lucky stars that the Germans have brought back the 60's HP wars. I really never believed that I would drive a car with monster torque and HP again after I sold my 69 mercury with a 429 4v.
I hope that BMW brings out a twin turbo version of the V10 so AMG will have to follow suit. Up the ante boys!!!
I think that both the M5 and E55/63 are supercars in sheeps clothing and we should all thank our lucky stars that the Germans have brought back the 60's HP wars. I really never believed that I would drive a car with monster torque and HP again after I sold my 69 mercury with a 429 4v.
I hope that BMW brings out a twin turbo version of the V10 so AMG will have to follow suit. Up the ante boys!!!
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I would have thought so also, but Motor Trend likes slower cars. In February 2007 issue they test the same trio and give 1st Place to the Audi A6, 2nd place to M5 and 3rd to E63:
0-60
A6 5.1
M5 4.4
E63 4.3
0-100
A6 12.5
M5 10.0
E63 10.1
QTR Mile
A6 13.6 @ 104.4
M5 12.7 @114.6
E63 12.7 @ 113.0
0-60
A6 5.1
M5 4.4
E63 4.3
0-100
A6 12.5
M5 10.0
E63 10.1
QTR Mile
A6 13.6 @ 104.4
M5 12.7 @114.6
E63 12.7 @ 113.0
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I would have thought so also, but Motor Trend likes slower cars. In February 2007 issue they test the same trio and give 1st Place to the Audi A6, 2nd place to M5 and 3rd to E63:
0-60
A6 5.1
M5 4.4
E63 4.3
0-100
A6 12.5
M5 10.0
E63 10.1
QTR Mile
A6 13.6 @ 104.4
M5 12.7 @114.6
E63 12.7 @ 113.0
0-60
A6 5.1
M5 4.4
E63 4.3
0-100
A6 12.5
M5 10.0
E63 10.1
QTR Mile
A6 13.6 @ 104.4
M5 12.7 @114.6
E63 12.7 @ 113.0
I was just about to post on this article. You beat me to it. Amazing how territorial we all are about our cars. To comment on a few posts here, yes the C&D comparo was with the 6-speed MT. There are heated debates amongst members on the M5Board (manual tranny die-hards and SMG fans/converts), so the bashing isn't restricted only to the MB forums.
Until someone can show us otherwise with instrumented runs, the 6 speed is and will be slower than the 7spd SMG.
It's also funny how everyone is on the C&D bandwagon and patting themselves on the back quick to slam on BMW's when they put the MB on top, but when they come in dead last in MT, it must be b/c they like 'slower cars'. Come on guys. You can't have it both ways.
Not here to bash the AMG's. They are absolutely amazing autos and despite what Gustav's videos show, I do agree that some of them probably don't do justice to some of the cars (the Kleeman comes to mind). Frankly, I wouldn't want to race an E55 off the line with that tremendous amount of torque (and lack thereof in the M5
). But at the end of the day, it all comes down to what you're looking for in a vehicle. I find the M5 engaging, responsive, and of course, fast. Is the E55 faster in a straight line? Probably. So what? So is a 1.8 L Honda with $4000 in performance mods. Does that make it a better car? I hope not. M5's and AMGs are great cars. Why can't we just leave it at that instead of unzipping our flies and waving our penises around to see who has the biggest one?
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I was just about to post on this article. You beat me to it. Amazing how territorial we all are about our cars. To comment on a few posts here, yes the C&D comparo was with the 6-speed MT. There are heated debates amongst members on the M5Board (manual tranny die-hards and SMG fans/converts), so the bashing isn't restricted only to the MB forums.
Until someone can show us otherwise with instrumented runs, the 6 speed is and will be slower than the 7spd SMG.
It's also funny how everyone is on the C&D bandwagon and patting themselves on the back quick to slam on BMW's when they put the MB on top, but when they come in dead last in MT, it must be b/c they like 'slower cars'. Come on guys. You can't have it both ways.
Not here to bash the AMG's. They are absolutely amazing autos and despite what Gustav's videos show, I do agree that some of them probably don't do justice to some of the cars (the Kleeman comes to mind). Frankly, I wouldn't want to race an E55 off the line with that tremendous amount of torque (and lack thereof in the M5 ). But at the end of the day, it all comes down to what you're looking for in a vehicle. I find the M5 engaging, responsive, and of course, fast. Is the E55 faster in a straight line? Probably. So what? So is a 1.8 L Honda with $4000 in performance mods. Does that make it a better car? I hope not. M5's and AMGs are great cars. Why can't we just leave it at that instead of unzipping our flies and waving our penises around to see who has the biggest one?
Until someone can show us otherwise with instrumented runs, the 6 speed is and will be slower than the 7spd SMG.
It's also funny how everyone is on the C&D bandwagon and patting themselves on the back quick to slam on BMW's when they put the MB on top, but when they come in dead last in MT, it must be b/c they like 'slower cars'. Come on guys. You can't have it both ways.
Not here to bash the AMG's. They are absolutely amazing autos and despite what Gustav's videos show, I do agree that some of them probably don't do justice to some of the cars (the Kleeman comes to mind). Frankly, I wouldn't want to race an E55 off the line with that tremendous amount of torque (and lack thereof in the M5
). But at the end of the day, it all comes down to what you're looking for in a vehicle. I find the M5 engaging, responsive, and of course, fast. Is the E55 faster in a straight line? Probably. So what? So is a 1.8 L Honda with $4000 in performance mods. Does that make it a better car? I hope not. M5's and AMGs are great cars. Why can't we just leave it at that instead of unzipping our flies and waving our penises around to see who has the biggest one?
