L8Apex

Thank you!

Kar don

Oops, I thought it was like the M3 SMG.

Germancar1

Is this a new issue or something they have exclusively online? Did the E63 win the comparo?

M

eLTURCOamg

i hate those cocky and concieted m5 guys, if u notice veeyrone on this forums accepts when theres a better andd faster car, but the m5 guys are always like "m5 is the best and will be the best", they will never accept it and when it loses an comparo, they start with the "what if's" and "if" it was smg and all that other bull****.

sdsilverm3

They're lame. Same frickin' attitude with the M3 guys. "I'll beat you in the twisties". Yeah well, let me get get a STOCK Honda S2000 and beat all you ****s in the twisties.

mjoines

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Vic55

yeah that is the typical retort from the Roundel Boys. At least we were never that pathetic to say:

"Wait until the straights from a dig"

I loved my E46 M3 and E39 M5 by the way so there is German love not just Benzo love but the whole twisty thing that gets mentioned is old.

eLTURCOamg

with a good driver some one in an e55 could outdrive a typical m5 driver

vader

The E63 is definitely the best looking of the bunch too. The M5 is almost 200lbs lighter than the E ?? Thats a lot...It doesn't make up for that mascara faced front sheetmetal though.

BoBcanada

I love the sharp edged look on a e63!!!! M5 looks fine too

ChicagoX

Any way to make that my title? pleasepleaseplease ?

TopGun32

ditto...


back to the orignal post:

I think the M5's times are off.. way off.. The trap is okay, but the time is not a real representation of a 500hp v10 car. The car weighs a bit less than the E and should have enough power to dip into 12's.

I'm pretty sure MT will swing on BMW's favor to offset C/D.

moldowan

they compare the "S" car because the RS6 is not out yet. But.... if the rumors prove to be true the bi-turbo 10cyl with around 550-580 hp will be in it. then the audi cars will be in the same realm as the others and be a better direct comparison.
the rs6 is due for its 1st debut in geneva 2007. maybe a mid-late 2008 car.
although I read that in 2009 BWM is uping the HP to 550 at least on the current v10 they have. And......... by then the 63 motor will be a bi-turbo with 650HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
-Moldy

enzom

That may be true, but I strongly suspect that every one of us would turn a quicker lap in an M5 than in our E55's. Same driver, the M5 has to be quicker.

Improviz

Exactly....Audi has absolutely no concept of "time to market". The last two RS cars, which are typically much more expensive than the competing BMW M & Merc AMG models, have been on the market for less than one year before new Ms and AMGs came out that beat them for far less money.

I really don't know why they persistantly wait until the very end of the run before releasing the RS models, but it's one of the more boneheaded marketing decisions I've seen. I can see waiting a year or so after the model line is introduced to generate additional excitement, but the end of the run is moronic...it may generate a bit of excitement and move some cars off of the lot before the run ends, *but* the people who spring for these expensive RSx models aren't going to be very thrilled when a less-expensive Mx or AMG comes out a year later and kicks sand in their face, which will fall right into the "fool me once" category...a shame, because they are great cars, and deserve better marketing.

jangy

Not me. I'm fastest in my E55!!

Kens-E55

Well..............................If you look up E55 Heads part # and then look up
E500 Heads part #,....they are the same??????????????? So your explanation above, about what your MB tech is saying kinda has a hole in it.
Fact - The fastest an E63 could do early year was 13.01@ 109!! FACT!!

Now we see them doing consistent 12.6/12.7 @ 114.............and you're going to tell me they did not change something???????

Oh well..............not my concern......just giving out some info here for potential buyers.

SCM3

Well i would just get a SMG M5 and whoop the E63 then... Previous SMG M5 C&D test numbers are faster then the new numbers for the E63.... The manual M5 cannot disable DSC as of yet and the gears are longer then the SMG version.

Vetluver

I think we as MB owners should give thanks to BMW and the M5. They were the ones that stoked the fires in this segment. I remember a few years ago when performance was a dirty word. BMW has made MB perk up and build cars we all love.

I think that both the M5 and E55/63 are supercars in sheeps clothing and we should all thank our lucky stars that the Germans have brought back the 60's HP wars. I really never believed that I would drive a car with monster torque and HP again after I sold my 69 mercury with a 429 4v.

I hope that BMW brings out a twin turbo version of the V10 so AMG will have to follow suit. Up the ante boys!!!

E55 KEV

I would have thought so also, but Motor Trend likes slower cars. In February 2007 issue they test the same trio and give 1st Place to the Audi A6, 2nd place to M5 and 3rd to E63:

0-60
A6 5.1
M5 4.4
E63 4.3

0-100
A6 12.5
M5 10.0
E63 10.1

QTR Mile
A6 13.6 @ 104.4
M5 12.7 @114.6
E63 12.7 @ 113.0

bonehead

I was just about to post on this article. You beat me to it. Amazing how territorial we all are about our cars. To comment on a few posts here, yes the C&D comparo was with the 6-speed MT. There are heated debates amongst members on the M5Board (manual tranny die-hards and SMG fans/converts), so the bashing isn't restricted only to the MB forums.
Until someone can show us otherwise with instrumented runs, the 6 speed is and will be slower than the 7spd SMG.

It's also funny how everyone is on the C&D bandwagon and patting themselves on the back quick to slam on BMW's when they put the MB on top, but when they come in dead last in MT, it must be b/c they like 'slower cars'. Come on guys. You can't have it both ways.
Not here to bash the AMG's. They are absolutely amazing autos and despite what Gustav's videos show, I do agree that some of them probably don't do justice to some of the cars (the Kleeman comes to mind). Frankly, I wouldn't want to race an E55 off the line with that tremendous amount of torque (and lack thereof in the M5 ). But at the end of the day, it all comes down to what you're looking for in a vehicle. I find the M5 engaging, responsive, and of course, fast. Is the E55 faster in a straight line? Probably. So what? So is a 1.8 L Honda with $4000 in performance mods. Does that make it a better car? I hope not. M5's and AMGs are great cars. Why can't we just leave it at that instead of unzipping our flies and waving our penises around to see who has the biggest one?

E55 KEV

All that talk but no mention of support or negatives for the winner - the Audi S6! You talk about the M5 and the AMG pros and cons but you have nothing to say about the winner of this comparo. It would be very hard to support either the S6 or the M5 when you unzip your fly and wave your ***** around and it has AMG stamped on it.

AMG BRED

... you do know that's an AWD car right?

TylerE63

I love my E!!! way to go MB-AMG