SoCalCLK

First, my apologies if this is a re-thread. Any thoughts to these two? Any comparisons/pros/cons? For example:

Audi S6

Pros: -435hp/395tq V10 engine
-Lamborghini Gallardo engine
-Clean, handsome design with those cool LED lights in front
-Quattro AWD
-Sweet interior, including Bang & Olufsen sound
-$75,000 Price tag
-Rare car to see on the streets, not everyone has one

MBZ E65 AMG

Pros: -Powerful V8 Engine
-Nice design, but a little dated
-AMG Prestige
-Solid, clean interior
-Fast car that handles well

I would still lean towards the Audi S6....

MidniteBluBenz

Depends on what your desires are. The pro's of the S6 are strong. Esp that B & O system IMO. If you have a need for speed then the E63 is the way to go. S6 is not that fast, despite the V10. The S6 is beautiful & sounds amazing, but is probably no faster than an E39 M5.

Papa Stone

I love Audi's and I have tuned quite a few from S4TT to RS6

The allweather flexibility is definitly a plus.. but all conquering power the AMG RULLEEZZ!!

baldmike73

I just looked on Audi's site and didn't see the upgrade B&O system like the A8 has. That is an insane stereo upgrade!!!!!

Carl Lassiter

E63- Faster
Better ride quality

S6- Better in rain/snow


The E63 is definitley the better car. The new RS4 is far superior to the S6-Audi missed the mark.

However, the fortcoming RS6 should redress the balance as i promises 550bhp and DSC so it doesn't jump over bumps in the road like the S6- AWD is only useful if your driven wheels are actually in contact with the bitumen.

BoBcanada

audi is much slower than e63! even ML63 is faster than s6!

AMG_55

2K6E55

E63.

xxaarraa

The engine isnt straight out of the gallardo. The angles on it are different. Gallardo is 90 degrees or something like that if I remember the article right. Its not made at the gallardo plant either.

FirstMB

Just pick up the latest copy of MotorTrend. There's an article in there that compares the Audi S6, MB E63, and MBW M5. Sadly, the E63 came in last. Surprisingly, the M5 didn't win like all other BMW cars MT compares.

xabo

But.... if you pick up the latest copy of Car & Driver, the E63 came in first just barely ahead of the Audi S6.

SoCalCLK

Audi didn't miss the mark.

The RS4 is nice, but more of a raw machine compared to the S6. I would compare the RS4 to the C55 AMG or forthcoming M3.

The S6 appeals to the 30-45 year-old working executive (SVP, EVP, etc.) in that it is subtle, is clean in design, and has roughly 435hp/400tq and goes 0-60 in 5.0, while having Quattro AWD.

Plus, it is a rare car, and is not flooded on the streets like the W211 Chassis cars.

0-60 in 5.0 isn't the fastest on the streets these days, but going to 60mph by .3 seconds faster isn't the point. There are other factors to consider.

The engine isn't IDENTICAL to the Lambo Gallardo engine, but it is very close and has a larger displacement (5.2 liters vs. the Gallardo's 5.0 liters) and of course both are V10s.

loans4homes

My wife and I test drove one last week, her BMW 550i is a being bought back and I wanted her to drive all the other lux sports cars...again. As she did before we purchased the 550i. She was not impressed with the power difference between her 550i -360hp/360lbs-tq...and trust me she punched it a few times. She did not like the "bumpier ride-stiffer suspension".

I was going to drive it but wife opened her mouth saying..He drives a E55 and the saleman instantly said "no hard driving" ... I passed and he definitly lost the deal...kinda of already lost. I could definitly tell it would not even be close to what I am used to..then not much is. Not even the 550i..or a Lexus 450h or M45 or CLS500. These were all her other choices...so we will end up with another 550i ...she really loves that car.

Now maybe an RS6...that sounds interesting...she did like the way an RS4 looked and if it were an AUTO she may have gone for that...but we never drove it so hard to say.,,, ANyone know when the RS6 is due..price???

kip

Actually, pretty much everything is faster than the audi! You should be comparing the E 550 not the E63 AMG to this car. And you get a big engine with a big consumption....

Here are true test results:

Audi S6 2006
Motorart V 10 Benziner
Hubraum 5204 ccm
Aufladung Sauger/Euro 4
PS - UMin 435 PS (319,9 kW) - 6800/Min
Nm - UMin 540 Nm - 3000/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Allrad
Gänge/Schaltung 6/Automatik
Test in sport auto 09/2006
Gewicht 2003 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,2 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,9 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 10,1 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,2 s
0 - 200 km/h 19,8 s
0 - 250 km/h - s
400 m, stehender Start - s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 36,0 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 37,5 m
Nordschleife - min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.18,8 min
Motopark Oschersleben - min
max. Querbeschleunigung 1,1 g
Slalom 18 m 63,9 km/h
Slalom 36 m - km/h
ISO Ausweichtest 110 m - km/h
Testverbrauch min/max/ges 12,1/19,8/16,3 L/SP

BMW 335i Coupé E92 - Supertest 2006 (Serie)


Motorart R 6 Benziner
Hubraum 2979 ccm
Aufladung BiTurbo 0,6 bar/Euro 4
PS - UMin 306 PS (225 kW) - 5800/Min
Nm - UMin 400 Nm - 1300/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 6/manuell
Supertest in sport auto 10/2006
Gewicht 1610 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,2 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 8,0 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 10,2 s
0 - 160 km/h 13,0 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 20,7 s
0 - 250 km/h - s
400 m, stehender Start - s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 37,0 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 37,2 m
Nordschleife 8.26 min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.17,8 min
Motopark Oschersleben - min
max. Querbeschleunigung 1,15 g
Slalom 18 m 67,6 km/h
Slalom 36 m 130 km/h
ISO Ausweichtest 110 m 136 km/h
Testverbrauch min/max/ges 9,9/14,6/11,8 L/SP

Mercedes-Benz E 500 (550 in America) Elegance - 2006 (Serie)


Motorart V 8
Hubraum 5461 ccm
Aufladung Sauger/Euro 4
PS - UMin 388 PS (285 kW) - 6000/Min
Nm - UMin 530 Nm - 2800/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 7/Automatik
Test in ams 12/2006
Gewicht 1835 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,4 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,4 s
0 - 130 km/h 8,4 s
0 - 140 km/h 9,5 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,3 s
0 - 180 km/h 15,6 s
0 - 200 km/h 19,4 s
0 - 250 km/h - s
400 m, stehender Start - s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 38 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 38 m
Nordschleife - min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs - min
Motopark Oschersleben - min
Querbeschleunigung - g
Slalom 18 m 60,9 km/h
Slalom 36 m - km/h
ISO Ausweichtest 131,1 km/h
Testverbrauch min/max/ges 8,2/16,3/13,9 L/SB
Grundpreis 62.582 Euro (05/2006)
Testwagenpreis - Euro

BMW 550ia E60 Limousine - 2006 (Serie)


Motorart V 8
Hubraum 4799 ccm
Aufladung Sauger/Euro 4
PS - UMin 367 PS (270 kW) - 6300/Min
Nm - UMin 490 Nm - 3400/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 6/Automatik
Test in Auto Motor und Sport 12/2006
Gewicht 1813 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,8 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,8 s
0 - 130 km/h 8,9 s
0 - 140 km/h 10,0 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,1 s
0 - 200 km/h 20,0 s
0 - 250 km/h - s
400 m, stehender Start - s
1 km, stehender Start - s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 39 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 39 m
Nordschleife - min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs - min
Motopark Oschersleben - min
Querbeschleunigung - g
Slalom 18 m 60,6 km/h
Slalom 36 m - km/h
ISO Ausweichtest 130,3 km/h
Testverbrauch min/max/ges 8,4/16,8/14,4 L/SP

BMW M5 - 2002 (Serie)


Motorart V 8
Hubraum 4941 ccm
Aufladung Sauger
PS - UMin 400 PS - 6600/Min
Nm - UMin 500 Nm - 3800/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 6/manuell
Test in sport auto 8/2002
Gewicht 1806 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,5 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,3 s
0 - 140 km/h 9,2 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,0 s
0 - 180 km/h 14,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 18,9 s
Vmax 250 km/h
100 - 0 km/h (kalt) 38,9 m
100 - 0 km/h (warm) 37,9 m
Nordschleife - min
Hockenheim, kleiner Kurs 1.19,5 min
Querbeschleunigung 1,0 g
Slalom 18 m 62,9 km/h

SoCalCLK

Thanks for the info, Kip. Personally, I won't buy a car because it is 0.1 sec faster than another going from 0-100 km per hour.

0.1 sec is not a big deal to me. 0.5 slower, yes that is a factor that I feel would seperate one car from another.

The E550 is a fabulous car. For the money, it might be as satisfying as owning a W210 E55 (similar in price?).

However, like I said earlier, the S6 is a cool car for the one that does not want to "march with the rest" and the current Audi A6 body style is a rare sight on these California streets.

ThemisN

Actually thats what im trying to find out. With the E55 gone, I am looking at the M6, 997 turbo, and would consider an rs6 even though different from the other options just for comparable power and all wheel drive. Just not sure when it would come out, and am concerned they might ask for too much for the rs6.

Part of me considered the rs4, but not sure it's for me. Thats more m3 territory.

Carl Lassiter

Nobody seems to know this. It will most sometime within the next 12months but as of yet they haven't even released specs.

The big question is the engine. While 550bhp looks to be the agreed figure (from internet gossip, the dealer i spoke to etc), whether it will come with a NA V10, TTV10 or even a TTV8 like the previous generation remains to be seen. For instance, the current A3 can be had with a 3.2V6 but the S3 comes with a 2liter turbo which means that a TTV8 cannot be ruled out.

It will be expensive but will hold its value very well as it is limited run and they are introducing it in the middle rather than the end of the A6 chassis cycle.

SoCalCLK

Thanks for the heads up, Carl. Nice S4, BTW.

The A3 is a sweet car, it was interesting how they gave the 3.2 V6 to the standard A3, and the original 2.0T inline 4 to the S3, albeit increasing the boost to make 250(?)hp.

I like the S6, and if the RS6 does come to the states, I hope it does not cannibalize S6 sales. The RS6 might be a better competitor to the E63 AMG, however the S6 fits a nice niche.

psk145

are you getting a new car stephen?

-charles

buzz888

uhh.. the only reason the s6 is slower is because of quattro. any rwd car is faster than an awd.

Carl Lassiter

Thank you. Your 430 is very clean and I always had a major soft spot for them wheels

SoCalCLK

No, not yet, Chuck. Just wanted to see what you E55 guys thought about the S6. I liked the new A6 design from the beginning and the S6 is even better.

Overall, I think it will come a little short versus the E63 in terms of raw power and excitement. Nothing beats a Mercedes V8, especially supercharged!

SoCalCLK

Thanks!

I love the 996TT. Are you going to get the 997TT? Personally, I think I'd be happy with a 997 S.

topdaytrader

I'll take either one.. hehe

buzz888

the e63 is not supercharged.. naturally aspirated 6.3L V-8.