THE e55 and m6 debate...
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THE e55 and m6 debate...
been browsing this forum for a while and when i first saw the m6 vs kleeman stage 4 video.. i was shocked..
the reason for this thread is simple...
believe it or not i have two aquaintances who own m6s.
after kleeman stage 2 i have raced both of them maybe 6 times... from a dig and roll...
i have left them 3 to 4 car lenghts behind...at 270 km/h all the time!
( have video proof of this )
so my question is... is my car special.. or is it how its supposed to be?
which begs another question...
wat WAS that kleemann stage 4 and stock M6 video all bout??
-K
the reason for this thread is simple...
believe it or not i have two aquaintances who own m6s.
after kleeman stage 2 i have raced both of them maybe 6 times... from a dig and roll...
i have left them 3 to 4 car lenghts behind...at 270 km/h all the time!
( have video proof of this )
so my question is... is my car special.. or is it how its supposed to be?
which begs another question...
wat WAS that kleemann stage 4 and stock M6 video all bout??
-K
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been browsing this forum for a while and when i first saw the m6 vs kleeman stage 4 video.. i was shocked..
after kleeman stage 2 i have raced both of them maybe 6 times... from a dig and roll...
i have left them 3 to 4 car lenghts behind...at 270 km/h all the time!
( have video proof of this )
wat WAS that kleemann stage 4 and stock M6 video all bout??
-K
after kleeman stage 2 i have raced both of them maybe 6 times... from a dig and roll...
i have left them 3 to 4 car lenghts behind...at 270 km/h all the time!
( have video proof of this )
wat WAS that kleemann stage 4 and stock M6 video all bout??
-K
You need to post your video for us to see and then you need to post it on
www.M5board.com and tell Gustav we all say hello.
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ok... if these videos mean so much... i will try to find a way to post them up.
they r on a camcorder now and i have no knowledge how to take it from 'there' to 'here'
someone, if they have time and patience, pm me details on how to do that.
But seriously, did anyone wonder if that video was true?
-K
they r on a camcorder now and i have no knowledge how to take it from 'there' to 'here'
someone, if they have time and patience, pm me details on how to do that.
But seriously, did anyone wonder if that video was true?
-K
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the video was true but i would put money on kleemann's car suffering from a faulty intercooler pump or something similar. why kleemann didn't realize something was wrong before, during, or even after is a fuggin mystery!
anyways, i too have raced my buddies m5 several times with my k2 and smoked him in every situation. there was no way he would have caught me by 150mph...not even 180 as i was still quickly putting car lengths on him after the 120 mark!!! there's an m6'er willing to make some runs with me if we can find a good location and capture it on video so i'll be posting those up when it happens.
you really do need to post those videos. i'll even post them to the m5 board if you can get them online. i've been an integral part in the discussion of those videos over there and i've made such an argument i don't think they'll try to ban me for doing posting. you should post over there as well:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=83416
*mods: if i'm not supposed to link to another board please edit this.
anyways, i too have raced my buddies m5 several times with my k2 and smoked him in every situation. there was no way he would have caught me by 150mph...not even 180 as i was still quickly putting car lengths on him after the 120 mark!!! there's an m6'er willing to make some runs with me if we can find a good location and capture it on video so i'll be posting those up when it happens.
you really do need to post those videos. i'll even post them to the m5 board if you can get them online. i've been an integral part in the discussion of those videos over there and i've made such an argument i don't think they'll try to ban me for doing posting. you should post over there as well:
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=83416
*mods: if i'm not supposed to link to another board please edit this.
Last edited by chiromikey; Feb 27, 2007 at 01:33 AM.
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Until someone posts another video, the only thing we have seen is a reportedly bone stock M6 reel in a K4 at 120 -150 mph. We can speculate that the K4 was sick. I happen to believe it suffered from a bad intercooler pump. Nevertheless, until someone posts a video with a stock M6 vs. a K4 car, the "real world" stories are going to be discounted.
Just so it is clear, I have a hard time believing a K2 car will lose to a stock M6 up to 150 mph. Frankly, I don't see an M5 catching me if I added just a K1 package to my E55. But without a video, our stories and theories are less compelling.
Just my 2 cents.
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i think we're on the same page i don't think it's a problem that we're not providing videos of k2+ cars beating m cars as much as it's a problem of many (not all) m guys not wanting to believe facts or the obvious. aj is often quoting his paper calculations, claiming the m cars will run down anything once they get to 4th gear. i do understand that the m's have a gearing advantage but they're not going to overcome significant hp or weight deficits. it was just recently that he was also claiming they'll run down the new vipers as well. 
the guy has owned more cars than i'll get to sit in but his armchair racing theories on m car gearing beating some incredible machines is getting old...not to mention they're not holding up in the real world. 
the guy has owned more cars than i'll get to sit in but his armchair racing theories on m car gearing beating some incredible machines is getting old...not to mention they're not holding up in the real world.
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Until someone posts another video, the only thing we have seen is a reportedly bone stock M6 reel in a K4 at 120 -150 mph. We can speculate that the K4 was sick. I happen to believe it suffered from a bad intercooler pump. Nevertheless, until someone posts a video with a stock M6 vs. a K4 car, the "real world" stories are going to be discounted.
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Mikey - Not sure he is going that far. His point is that the gearing advantage of the M cars makes up for a hp deficiency. I guess he is right to a degree. But it isn't going to overcome a 75 whp deficit.
Until someone posts another video, the only thing we have seen is a reportedly bone stock M6 reel in a K4 at 120 -150 mph. We can speculate that the K4 was sick. I happen to believe it suffered from a bad intercooler pump. Nevertheless, until someone posts a video with a stock M6 vs. a K4 car, the "real world" stories are going to be discounted.
Just so it is clear, I have a hard time believing a K2 car will lose to a stock M6 up to 150 mph. Frankly, I don't see an M5 catching me if I added just a K1 package to my E55. But without a video, our stories and theories are less compelling.
Just my 2 cents.
Until someone posts another video, the only thing we have seen is a reportedly bone stock M6 reel in a K4 at 120 -150 mph. We can speculate that the K4 was sick. I happen to believe it suffered from a bad intercooler pump. Nevertheless, until someone posts a video with a stock M6 vs. a K4 car, the "real world" stories are going to be discounted.
Just so it is clear, I have a hard time believing a K2 car will lose to a stock M6 up to 150 mph. Frankly, I don't see an M5 catching me if I added just a K1 package to my E55. But without a video, our stories and theories are less compelling.
Just my 2 cents.
This is exactly why it's ridiculous to "race" (I use that word loosely) from a roll. There is no way to measure any type of performance. If your car is moving at the start of a "race", you're not racing.
A race to prove HP/TQ/acceleration has a defined start and end. 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, 1 mile, 3 miles, etc. Not rolling along next to someone and letting up when your ***** shrivel up or your head grows so much that you think you've "won" something.
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This is exactly why it's ridiculous to "race" (I use that word loosely) from a roll. There is no way to measure any type of performance. If your car is moving at the start of a "race", you're not racing.
A race to prove HP/TQ/acceleration has a defined start and end. 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, 1 mile, 3 miles, etc. Not rolling along next to someone and letting up when your ***** shrivel up or your head grows so much that you think you've "won" something.
A race to prove HP/TQ/acceleration has a defined start and end. 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, 1 mile, 3 miles, etc. Not rolling along next to someone and letting up when your ***** shrivel up or your head grows so much that you think you've "won" something.
0-150-0 is the ultimate test of straight-line performance bar none.
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Yeah, except you want to do it with someone else's car
A race I help organize each year has put on a 0-100-0 competition as part of the road course, autox and drag race portions of the event. It's tough setting everything up to accurately record the data. We ended up using a radar gun hooked up to a laptop and then software to record the data and spit out graphs to plot accel/decel/etc. Then there's the issue of vehicle dynamics going from ***** to the wall WFO to standing on the binders. Try it a few times at 100mph
We were doing it down the front straight of the road course at Memphis Motorsports Park for our event.
If you have access to the newer 5th-wheel and GPS-based systems some of the car mags use, it would be easier for recording the data, but still tough when you're driving a high HP car.
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THANK you.
I nearly ground my fingers to little nubs debating that very fact with the propellerheads.....
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This is exactly why it's ridiculous to "race" (I use that word loosely) from a roll. There is no way to measure any type of performance. If your car is moving at the start of a "race", you're not racing.
A race to prove HP/TQ/acceleration has a defined start and end. 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, 1 mile, 3 miles, etc. Not rolling along next to someone and letting up when your ***** shrivel up or your head grows so much that you think you've "won" something.
A race to prove HP/TQ/acceleration has a defined start and end. 1/8 mile, 1/4 mile, 1 mile, 3 miles, etc. Not rolling along next to someone and letting up when your ***** shrivel up or your head grows so much that you think you've "won" something.
