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Old 03-18-2007, 03:44 AM
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I swear that guy sounded like the guy in F&F Tokyo Drift.
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I don't know how many members drag race their cars on this forum but it is very difficult to reproduce numbers that manufacturers "claim" their cars can do. Especially if the car is a manual and can run (manuf' est.) 11 sec 1/4 miles. With that being said, I've seen several Z06's run these 11 sec times in stock cars by your everyday car enthusiast. GM did not target the 911TT but the Viper and 911S(which is still 20G's more, an equally equipped car).
As far as the GM brass is concerned they hit the bulls eye with the Z. And at 75k, can still offer dry sump, aluminum frame, titanium parts etc. I just think that there is an enormous amount of jealousy amongst manufactures and car owners in general re: the Z. Plastic interior aside, if anyone can honestly say, (whether you like that it is a chevy or not) that the Z06 is not an amazing automobile , and puts up AMAZING numbers then they are just ignorant.
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You guys are missing the entire point when it comes to where the plastic is on these cars. Most of the body panels are plastic (fiber glass). Get in any trouble in one of these at any speed and your chances of walking away compared to our MBs are drastically less. I will gladly pay more money for slighty less performance but overall higher engineering standards that the germans still seem to offer better than anyone.
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
I don't know how many members drag race their cars on this forum but it is very difficult to reproduce numbers that manufacturers "claim" their cars can do. Especially if the car is a manual and can run (manuf' est.) 11 sec 1/4 miles. With that being said, I've seen several Z06's run these 11 sec times in stock cars by your everyday car enthusiast. GM did not target the 911TT but the Viper and 911S(which is still 20G's more, an equally equipped car).
As far as the GM brass is concerned they hit the bulls eye with the Z. And at 75k, can still offer dry sump, aluminum frame, titanium parts etc. I just think that there is an enormous amount of jealousy amongst manufactures and car owners in general re: the Z. Plastic interior aside, if anyone can honestly say, (whether you like that it is a chevy or not) that the Z06 is not an amazing automobile , and puts up AMAZING numbers then they are just ignorant.
Well said. The Z06 makes a statement to the world. We are an audacious nation, full of irreverence and brashness. We can match European performance at half the price.

Having said that, the interior on my Z06 needed upgrading and if you read the Z06 forums, most owners agree. At the end of the day, we have lots of choices, and most of them are good.
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let's not forget gents.. that the Z06 is an amazing track car in stock form too. So 1/4, top speed or road course it will beat just about anything considered a mass production vehicle sold.

The p car and Z06 debate will never die.. but I trully think that under 100, the P car a better chance. (if tiptronic or a good driver)

From a roll.. the Z06 (better trap speed)


If money was not an issue. I'll take the P car and (exhaust and ECU). Sure the Z06 can get cams, exhaust, headers and tune as well, but having all that power on 2 wheels will be even harder to put to the ground.
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The Z06 can beat a Ferrari F430 in a drag race too, but you know what, I'd rather have a Ferrari.
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Not to start a spitting match, but can someone comment on the refinement of the ZO6 suspension? I have historically hated Vettes (except for the 60s ones), but I do like the new body. Bang for buck is really strong. What bothered me is how much work I felt was needed to make it a legit track car. Coilovers should be a no-brainer, no? I guess I lost some of my respect for them when i spanked a new one at Willow, but that may have been more driver?
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
let's not forget gents.. that the Z06 is an amazing track car in stock form too. So 1/4, top speed or road course it will beat just about anything considered a mass production vehicle sold.

The p car and Z06 debate will never die.. but I trully think that under 100, the P car a better chance. (if tiptronic or a good driver)

From a roll.. the Z06 (better trap speed)


If money was not an issue. I'll take the P car and (exhaust and ECU). Sure the Z06 can get cams, exhaust, headers and tune as well, but having all that power on 2 wheels will be even harder to put to the ground.
Yes you gotta believe that with the tip that car is the ultimate stop light racer.
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This just confirms that the guy in Turbo racing the Redneck Vette didnot know how to drive. I always thought a new 997TT would beat the new ZO6. The coochas video confirms this.
LOL, the guy in the Porsche was driving a tiptronic. Mash the pedal and hold on.

The Z06 is quicker than a 997 TT, especially past 100 mph. They are close up to the 100 mph mark from a dig only, past that the Z06 will walk away. From any roll, the Z06 will again walk away.

You are comparing a 121 trap car (TT) vs. a 125+ trap car (Z06). The outcome is not surprising at all and is almost identical to the outcome I had when I raced a 997 TT.
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Then you mean the 911S for under 100K (the TT is @ 140). If that is the case then the Z06 walks away. Heck I blow away 911S's in my E63.
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
Then you mean the 911S for under 100K (the TT is @ 140). If that is the case then the Z06 walks away. Heck I blow away 911S's in my E63.
The E55/63 is so much easier to launch than a 997S but a 997S driven by a pro can acheive the following according to Road and Track: 0-60 3.9, Q/M 12.3 @ 114.8 not exactly blow em away numbers by any of the E63 numbers/tests I've seen...
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Umm, there are some drivers that think a nice interior is part of the package. See this forum as an example. I gave props to the Z06, but if all you care about is the numbers, then you're better off buying a Mustang GT and hopping it up to match the Corvettes numbers. At half the cost.

Did you not also read about the AWD capability? The rear seats? Don't take it personally, but learn to read and undestand first.
I'm sure people buy the 997 Turbo for kids and weather beating.
Old 03-18-2007, 10:21 PM
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I'm sure people buy the 997 Turbo for kids and weather beating.
LOL,They don't, but its really very nice to have the two rear jump seats especially in such a high performance 2 dr sport's car; the AWD's benefits go beyond just weather related issues.

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LOL at the redneck in the vette.
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LOL,They don't, but its really very nice to have the two rear jump seats especially in such a high performance 2 dr sport's car; the AWD's benefits go beyond just weather related issues.
I know, I just think its ignorant to say that the P-car is better because of AWD. Both AWD and RWD cars have their ups and downs.
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Agreed they sure do...a car configured like a 997TT however truly benefits from the application of AWD especially in the hands of most drivers. Now the new 997GT2 (a higher performance 997TT and sans the AWD) due out soon, will be the ultimate 997 imho
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Originally Posted by RJC
The E55/63 is so much easier to launch than a 997S but a 997S driven by a pro can acheive the following according to Road and Track: 0-60 3.9, Q/M 12.3 @ 114.8 not exactly blow em away numbers by any of the E63 numbers/tests I've seen...
I remember that article..best all around sports car?? R&T was so surprised with those numbers they brought it to the dyno to test. I believe a Corvette came out on top. I have driven several tip 997S's and don't think they come close to the E63 in acceleration.
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how about this car for 45-55K spanks both the Vette and the 911TT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3cStNhAdu0

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We suspected that the 997 was sprayed by the zo6,and ask for a rerun,but was met by a bunch of keyboard jockie who got the race bent out of text.I asked to run the same zo6 that was in the video,but it dident go over too well.Anyhow the same 997 you saw in the video that ran the red zo6,ran 10:90 today at Rockingham Dragstrip in Rockingham N.C .....No it was not stock,it had some bolt on,from EVO.
He registered his car today to run at Rockingham Dragway on April 6th on PINKS.......he intends to be in the 9's by then.
He is also the owner of a 996 that makes in excess of 700hp.He said the 996 with the manual transmission is hard to drive,as 2nd gear can be a problem at times,but the 997 with the tiptronic is a breeze to drive ,somewhat like driving the e55.
We were even more convinced that the zo6 sprayed,after we saw that video that was posted where the 997 beat the zo6.
We respect the zo6,and agree that its the best bang for the buck,because i own an o3 with pro-charger that makes in excess of 700 hp,so i know the capabilities of the 07 zo6,but two cars that has close to the same hp,one cannot just go by the other that fast,and keep on pulling if there is no major mods or gas.
At this time i fail to say how much more is planned for the 997....this would spread like wild fire.
Anyhow i will keep you posted.
Please do not take what i say to believe the 07 ZO6 to be a slow car......this car is a strong car,and can beat a 997 stock for stock,but that one in the video was not stock.......i have been dragracing too long and can tell a stock car.
I am not trying to get a pissing match going,because there have been a lot of fuss about this race,but i thought i would let you guys know what others thought about that race.
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Originally Posted by 05VENOM
I remember that article..best all around sports car?? R&T was so surprised with those numbers they brought it to the dyno to test. I believe a Corvette came out on top. I have driven several tip 997S's and don't think they come close to the E63 in acceleration.
Non turbo tiptronic 997's are quite a bit slower than the 6 speed cars, The road and track numbers I quoted are right from the mag's own test #'s and right in line with the E63 and E55's...
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but that one in the video was not stock.......i have been dragracing too long and can tell a stock car.
Then you need to learn more about cars, especially the Z06.

You are joking, right? You think he was spraying you? LOL.

What is so hard to understand here. The 997 TT traps 5 mph LESS in the 1/4 than the Z06, did you expect to win? If so, please do explain how you would.

I know the owner of the car that races and trust me, the car was BONE STOCK. I have raced a 997 TT before and the outcome was IDENTICAL. close from a dig to 100, then TT sees taillights. From a roll, the trap speeds come into play and the TT gets left behind. The Z06 has ~ 30 MORE hp, 400 lbs LESS weight, and you expect it to be close from a roll?.. If he would have sprayed, the TT would be a small spec of dust in the rear view mirror

997 TT is a great car, and I would love to have one, but to think that it is a match for the Z06 in a straight line when it traps 5 mph less in the 1/4 mile makes you look delusional.

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This is the owner of the Z06 and I want to say that i was surprised to see Jamusa was still spreading the word over the internet that I sprayed his buddy in the 997.

Like back on HPJ dude, you could have ask dozens of people who have seen my car or know me pretty good to know I never had any nitrous system on my car. As another person as stated here, if I had nitrous on my car, I could have beaten him so bad I could have stop aside the road and ate a sandwich about the time he came flying by.

Plain and simple. I came to the party with more power, less weight, and probably better aerodynamics and you question me pulling him that bad. Stop reading the numbers out of the magazines my friends
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Originally Posted by C6Z06427
This is the owner of the Z06 and I want to say that i was surprised to see Jamusa was still spreading the word over the internet that I sprayed his buddy in the 997.

Like back on HPJ dude, you could have ask dozens of people who have seen my car or know me pretty good to know I never had any nitrous system on my car. As another person as stated here, if I had nitrous on my car, I could have beaten him so bad I could have stop aside the road and ate a sandwich about the time he came flying by.

Plain and simple. I came to the party with more power, less weight, and probably better aerodynamics and you question me pulling him that bad. Stop reading the numbers out of the magazines my friends
What a small place the internet has become? I see this video has gotten a lot of buzz...enough to reach the driver in the Z06. Nice video and great kill!! I couldn't agree with you more...people should stop reading the numbers out of magazines... Magazine test are taken under a number of different conditions and the vehicles are typically tested by experts..
If you really want to see which car is faster...take it to the streets..
BTW, have you raced any E55s..modded or stock?
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Non turbo tiptronic 997's are quite a bit slower than the 6 speed cars, The road and track numbers I quoted are right from the mag's own test #'s and right in line with the E63 and E55's...
It's a twin turbo 997 that i am discussing here,i am sorry.
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Originally Posted by C6Z06427
This is the owner of the Z06 and I want to say that i was surprised to see Jamusa was still spreading the word over the internet that I sprayed his buddy in the 997.

Like back on HPJ dude, you could have ask dozens of people who have seen my car or know me pretty good to know I never had any nitrous system on my car. As another person as stated here, if I had nitrous on my car, I could have beaten him so bad I could have stop aside the road and ate a sandwich about the time he came flying by.

Plain and simple. I came to the party with more power, less weight, and probably better aerodynamics and you question me pulling him that bad. Stop reading the numbers out of the magazines my friends

Nice video and I believe that you were stock. I hate it when people go about making excuses after losing(be it the driver or the posters car of choice). The Z06 is FASTER than a 997TT period(after 120). Both cars arrive at the quarter mile within a tick or two of each other but past that point, the Z will pull away. That was an awesome video.

In reference to your Posche owners usually being "toolbags," well the same can be said of the typical Corvette owner(goldwatch wearing Guidos and redneck car). Funny thing you mention this as I asked my brother what he thought of the Z06. I'd like to get one of these cars within the next year or so and the Z06 is such a bargain for the price. His reply about the Z06 was "redneck car." Not the response I was looking for. In the end, I can afford either so I'll likely go for the 997TT or perhaps the GT3. I really don't give a rats *** about a few ticks in the 1/4 mile or that I'd get pulled after 120. Awesome car and I'm sure you're not the typical redneck that drives Corvettes-just trying to point out things from a different perspective.


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