+1 !!

Wow! Trolls are such UGLY Things! Someone Ring the Alarm!!!!

I was able to remove some camber shims which really help the understeer. It's much quicker than you think even when not in upper RPMs. The lack of torque just makes it 'feel' slower than it is.
The A/C is barely worth having.

I'm not surprised a bike is more fun. I'd love to have and ride a bike, but don't want to take the risks it involves.

I'm still waiting on pics of your car, Gustav.

(I then realized I could have gone to 2nd gear since everytime I floor the computer downshifted for me again).

him in 3rd, me in 3rd <- durh I should have done 2nd but oh well) We started at about 25mph with him in 2nd and me in 2nd (I should have gone first gear), we both took off about even pace, we are pretty much even at 3rd gear and going into 4th the M5 started to gain slowly, by mid to high 4th we had to slow down he was about 3/4 car ahead of me.Conclusion:

M5 stock for stock (if you guys consider putting on those expensive catback on the M's as power upgrades) M5 is a "slightly" faster car, though my car lost I had no regrets owning the E55 because the E55 is a much overall daily driver compare to the M.

So, here is the deal, if you were in the right gear (not to beat you up but what were you thinking on your speed/gear starts - the E55 goes about 47 in first and 85+ in 2nd gear?) and the M5 always started in prime powerband with you not...

"Slightly faster" is really a stretch (we all know up top the M5 is a beast) but I had a similar experience with a co-worker who got a M5 from 20 (I was in first gear) and popped a length on him (like, distance between the cars) from 20-50 and ran from 65 and was ahead the whole time...

Now, I just need to get videos (I promise, they will come)....

M5's trap higher.. usually over a stock E55..

no surprise in your runs.

I'm more surprised that he did not open a wide lead after 130mph. This is a major point that M5 owers brag about.

You would see post like " try racing him after 100mph or race to 150mph"

Based your story, a cat back exhaust M5 vs stock E55 was only slightly faster.

A simple call to ASP for a pulley and $900 later, the slight lead would be erased.

nice write up..

20 posts all having to do with how slow his car is compared to M's. Obvious Troll. The worse part is, he probably doesn't even have a BMW. Pimpled face little boy.

i'm not surprised as the after 100mph bs is nothing but a myth. the only people continuing to make such claims are the armchair racers that haven't actually raced their m5's over 100mph and are making claims based soley on data sheets and gear ratios.

If that's Gustav I must say his English spelling has gotten better,because when he used to harass me by PM'ing me at the M5board his English spelling was HORRIBLE!

Unfortunately, another thread that quickly degenerated into senseless accusations and childish name-calling. Fortunately, the sane among you recognize that the E55/63 and M5 provide somewhat different approaches that appeal to different priorities. The attempts by some in both camps to convince others that their priorities win are pointless and mind-numbingly dull.

For those interested in this particular discussion, I can provide a few data points. The M5's (with SMG transmission) prowess at higher speeds is in no way "bs," unless you want to consider 0-150 mph in 20.7 seconds (faster than a F430, by the way) bs. The latest data for the E63 is 23.3 seconds. Especially considering that the two cars are fairly close up to 90 or 100, this is a significant difference.

Also, I am one who regularly tracks his M5 at Virginia International Raceway, a fast, 3.2-mile course. The VIR back straight is 4,000 feet long. The entry to it is the slowest turn on the course, taken at around 35-40 mph, so it provides a good run through the gears. Berfore the braking zone on this straight I reach between 150 and 155 mph. The closing speed is sobering, especially when speeds reach the triple digits. I have run down 996 TTs, 997 GT3s, Corvette C6 Z06s, and a variety of other cars.

The VIR front straight is another demonstration. It is shorter, with a real kink to the right about 2/3 of the way through. The entry to it is a fast sweeper at around 70-80 mph. I reach around 140 before the braking zone. The acceleration here is incredible. The M5's handing handles the kink -- at around 130 mph -- with great balance and security. The combination makes mincemeat of virtually everything else on the track.

This may not matter to most who don't track their cars. It matters to me. I am not here to convince anyone to adopt my opinion, merely to provide some first-hand data that may inform the discussion. There is reason for all of us to enjoy all of these tremendous cars without trying to prove that someone is an idiot for choosing the other marque.

my accusations are far from senseless and I have no need to prove anyone to be an idiot. i've said many times how much I appreciate the m for what it is but I have taken it upon myself to dispell the myth that these cars are magical above 80-100mph, regardless of who it displeases.

What you think you are able to dispell is of little relevance to me. I merely am dealing with objective facts and observations. "Magical" is as subjective an adjective as any, but it is an apt one for a five-passenger sedan that can reel in a 911 turbo at full trottle.

if it is of "little relevance" to you then why are you debating me. anytime you want to dispel it for yourself let an e55 owner know. you're darn right "magical" is subjective and that's why i chose the word to represent the information that comes from most m owners. i've out run m cars as well as a MODDED 996tt and an f430f1 so i do know the facts about what certain cars are capable of. i'm not claiming the m is slow by any means, it's just not as fast or better than everything else on the road above 80-100mph as m owners like to preach.

enjoy your car!

Okay I am using my other account which is my E55 account (as oppose to W202mae in my first post).

Anyhow, let's keep this thread down. I can only say what I observe in real life situations, and yes M5 is only slighly faster not much. Please also remember we raced based on the grounds of even take off (the best we can) but in real life situation if any particular car took a jump first then the results might be skewed.

If I met any M5 driver on the freeway, they took a jump on me, then I might have problem even gaining up on him since they are faster on the top end. If I took a jump first then the M5 will eventually catch up but we're talking about the speeds of 140mph + guaranteed.

Fact of the matter is, M5 is gaining but not at like a rocket blowing me by. So to me that's slightly faster.

Just like our first run I took off at the 2nd horn and we raced up to 140mph and he didn't pass me but was about 1/4 to 1/2 car behind me, if we kept on going eventually he will pass me at speeds of say 150-160mph before he can reach a 1 car length I estimated.

+ 1000 all the lads at the office are just crying... TEARS of joy!!!!
you my man have made allot of men happy today

Same goes for your post above.


What facts? You wrote some mumbo jumbo about your car at a track, i see no facts there, just your written account of something that may or may not have happened. Facts are usually accompained by some sort of proof.

I wish I could add a sound effect to it...the perfect one would be from "Kung Fu Hustle", where the fat guy slams his hands on his legs and you get that water sloshing sound!!

I have "proof" of me running down a Viper, M3, M6 at Roadamerica - just click the links in my sig.



I would love to see anything from MWindbag.......

What I related were, indeed, facts -- things that have actually occurred that I actually saw with my own actual eyes driving my own actual car on an actual track. If you choose to call me a liar, have at it. I don't have videos of most of my track sessions, but the following may be illuminating: http://www.kimmelshue.com/videos/audi_de_vir_e60m5.mp4. It is a long video (so it will take a while to load), showing me more than keeping up with a 997 GT3 despite not fully using my brakes since the rear pads were almost gone.

i'm not sure a road coarse is going to provide the facts you're claiming as we all know the driver makes (or breaks) the car, not the other way around. i've lapped plenty litre bikes on my little old stock 600 and i wouldn't be silly enough to conclude that my 600 is faster than the 1000.

That is completely true, and I should have mentioned that when similarly driven, a GT3 should have a significant advantage on a road course due to its otherworldly ability to handle the turns. There also are other factors, including how hard the driver is willing to push his car. In this instance, the GT3 driver (in addition to being a good guy) is an accomplished driver but was at VIR for the first time.

I offer the video only because this thread went into a discussion of uses which matter to some drivers and, since track use is very important to me, how the car does on the track is an important factor. Also, the straights (although sometimes impeded by slower traffic) give a decent impression of high-speed acceleration since the driver's main role is to push the gas, shift at the appropriate points, and keep the wheel reasonably straight.

I agree preference between these 2. I think one looks sportier than the other and catches the eye of a younger crowd like myself.

m5 can be a daily driver, just depress the "m" and youve got it at a more conservative setting.

I've found this race between a SL55 AMG and an ///M3...The outcome is well known but i'm surprised of the good performance of the SL ! Enjoy


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th1rY...elated&search=

probably repost but nice race here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trJGb...elated&search=

m5 vs m3 csl on track
this is how your supposed to test your cars overall performance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBvgMslGWEc

How did this thread turn into a three-way jerkfest?


Oh yeah, someone mentioned a BMW.