maximus193

Hi Guys first post for this newbie.

I'm considering going for the Kleemann Stage2 package with LSD. Should run for about $10K.

OR

I could go for a company that does ECU remapping for $1K but produces 548hp.

So the numbers are about the same, but the costs isn't. The ECU is very reputable in Europe (where I live).

Would splashing the extra $9K for Kleemann make such a huge difference?

Jrocket

79hp out of an ecu tune,I'd like to see that.Who does this tune?

maximus193

European company called http://www.digitune.nl/2006mbcls55amg476.htm

But there are several reputable European companies who claim to get anywhere from 45-75hp gain just by an ECU remap.

paul928

What might be worth the cost is the LSD and a supercharger pulley, and these can be obtained from a number of sources.

chiromikey

not going to happen on a 55 with only an ecu tune...no way, now how.

JamE55

You're being punk'ed. Don't fall for it.

BenzoBoi

Very liberal numbers for just an ecu tune...

Tuskir

Common sense should tell you that the only way to get 80hp from CLS55 is by either increasing boost via aftermarket pulley, or drastically improving air flow with headers, exhaust system, larger TB, etc.

You don't really need an LSD, just go for kleemann stage 1 (pulley + ecu), its only around 3,000$ if I remember correctly. Then if you're not happy with the power, you can add headers.

maximus193

Yes, common sense makes me question this ECU "update".

However, there are loads of European reputable companies that claim the same increases. However, they all do not include the pully. So perhaps that's the bottleneck?

Let me also refraise my question. Is the increase in power from Stage 1 to Stage 4 worth all the extra cash? Is it really noticable?

Efivefive

An ecu tune alone is worthless.......The only main advantage would be a crisper throttle response, max HP to be gained is probably 20hp...if that????
.....European tuners like digitec and dms make some wild claims...but that's all they are....wild.

Stage 2 is probably the best package to get, which would be ECU, Pulley and Headers.

maximus193

Exactly the kind of reply I was waiting (hoping) for!

There are indeed a lot of these chiptune companies making the boldest of claims. I would expect something else from a reputable tuner like Kleemann.

I'm still deciding between Stage 2 or 3 with the extra LSD and/or camshaft.

ROCKETW19

i like the LSD but i dont know about the cams. no one and i mean no one has added cams and posted a dyno. that seems funny to me, i dont belive they are worth it. ask kleemann to show you a cam only upgrade dyno sheet. now the throttle body is a upgrade i realy liked.

maximus193

That's the beauty of Kleemann. They let you customize your own tuning as you can combine various Stages.

ROCKETW19

not sure what you mean by that but all tuners work just like kleemann. they are not special.

maximus193

I meant that you can do Stage 2 tuning and include the throttle body from Stage 4.

chiromikey

i don't know about the kleemann cams but two members here have posted dynos for slr cams.

ROCKETW19

were they only cams? or did they do other upgrades also? i will search right now but ill tell you the search function sucks. if you have a link that would be great.

ROCKETW19

i searched and came up with a bunh of BS no cam only dynos. please help. especialy if it helps mid to top end my car realy suffers there.

E320kieser

ECU is more worth it IMO

chiromikey

I don't know the post title but you can search my post history for cam only dyno results. i'll look later if you can't find it. sorry i don't remember the other member that posted dyno results but i KNOW they're here somewhere.