New M3 faster than new M5?
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New M3 faster than new M5?
........it looks like BMW finally delivered on a very nice car. The new 410HP NA V8 M3 sprints 0-60 in 4.5 secs and 1/4 mile in 12.5 secs. These numbers are better than the US spec M5 and approches that of our beloved W211 E55. The M3 is lighter and is likely to handle better both the M5 and E55. Did BMW just undercut sales of the M5 the way Porsche did to the 911 when it introduced the Cayman? I know the M5 is a four door, but......
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The same question should be asked about the upcoming C63 vs E63..........I doubt either company will knobble the big brother. After all, they make more money out of the bigger cars.
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there could be a 4 door M3 as well..... I think the new M3 could very well be quicker than the M5.... I just can't belive how long it's taking them to bring the car out, it won't be hitting the streets for another year!
Has there even been a spec confirmation on the C63 yet, hopefully it will get the CLK63 specs.... I don't think either company has any issues competing with the big brother. I bought my C32 when it first came out, and at the time, it was MB's quickest 4 door sean.... none of the 55k or 600tt cars were out yet, of course that only lasted a few months...
BMW's 335i is just as quick as the current M3, it's a drivers race.....
Has there even been a spec confirmation on the C63 yet, hopefully it will get the CLK63 specs.... I don't think either company has any issues competing with the big brother. I bought my C32 when it first came out, and at the time, it was MB's quickest 4 door sean.... none of the 55k or 600tt cars were out yet, of course that only lasted a few months...
BMW's 335i is just as quick as the current M3, it's a drivers race.....
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M3 looks good, getting much better.
But is 410 Hp going to be completive? The standard CLK 63 AMG is 474 Hp. now, and the new CLK 63 AMG BLACK is 507Hp.
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I think it's going to be very competitive, given the fact that M3s are always lighter than MB's entry level AMG cars. Again, using the famous line on this board, it will handle better in the twisties. 
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Wait.... doesn't the new M3 only come w/ 300tq? Plus the 410hp only happens at close to redline (8K+)?
I still cannot see how this could happen.... 335i stock already has close to 300tq. Chipped and a little mods could make it have more torque than M3 and HP that is pretty close to M3. I'm feeling 335i would eat M3's market. But what do I know?
I still cannot see how this could happen.... 335i stock already has close to 300tq. Chipped and a little mods could make it have more torque than M3 and HP that is pretty close to M3. I'm feeling 335i would eat M3's market. But what do I know?
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Wait.... doesn't the new M3 only come w/ 300tq? Plus the 410hp only happens at close to redline (8K+)?
I still cannot see how this could happen.... 335i stock already has close to 300tq. Chipped and a little mods could make it have more torque than M3 and HP that is pretty close to M3. I'm feeling 335i would eat M3's market. But what do I know?
I still cannot see how this could happen.... 335i stock already has close to 300tq. Chipped and a little mods could make it have more torque than M3 and HP that is pretty close to M3. I'm feeling 335i would eat M3's market. But what do I know?
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it runs 13.0 and 110 trap speed, according to Edmunds. According to Vishnu.. it can run up to 112 trap speed, but yet to seen on a real 1/4 track.
Edmunds the same people that got 4.8 and 13.4 out of the stock 335i.
so.. it will take a few more mods to get the 335i to kill the M3.
The 335i will suffer from heat issues just like our 55k, c32k engines.. just read the article on Edmunds vs the new G37.
Other on the bimmer boards are closely monitoring the engine temps for limp mode. There are installing a oil cooler at the dealer to help, but I with additional mods.. heat will always be a problem.
If I had the money.. I would take the M3.. looks way better. Who cares if a modded 335i can equal straightline performace.. the M3 has always been about the whole package.
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rflow on this board has one, ran 13.2 @ 104 stock and 12.6 @ 109 with the tune and cat-back:
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-10490.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-11392.html
I saw some video of a stock M3 and 335i running on the highway and it was dead even.... Any confirmation of a 4 door m3 yet?
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-10490.html
http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-335i-Timeslip-11392.html
I saw some video of a stock M3 and 335i running on the highway and it was dead even.... Any confirmation of a 4 door m3 yet?
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it runs 13.0 and 110 trap speed, according to Edmunds. According to Vishnu.. it can run up to 112 trap speed, but yet to seen on a real 1/4 track.
Edmunds the same people that got 4.8 and 13.4 out of the stock 335i.
so.. it will take a few more mods to get the 335i to kill the M3.
The 335i will suffer from heat issues just like our 55k, c32k engines.. just read the article on Edmunds vs the new G37.
Other on the bimmer boards are closely monitoring the engine temps for limp mode. There are installing a oil cooler at the dealer to help, but I with additional mods.. heat will always be a problem.
If I had the money.. I would take the M3.. looks way better. Who cares if a modded 335i can equal straightline performace.. the M3 has always been about the whole package.
it runs 13.0 and 110 trap speed, according to Edmunds. According to Vishnu.. it can run up to 112 trap speed, but yet to seen on a real 1/4 track.
Edmunds the same people that got 4.8 and 13.4 out of the stock 335i.
so.. it will take a few more mods to get the 335i to kill the M3.
The 335i will suffer from heat issues just like our 55k, c32k engines.. just read the article on Edmunds vs the new G37.
Other on the bimmer boards are closely monitoring the engine temps for limp mode. There are installing a oil cooler at the dealer to help, but I with additional mods.. heat will always be a problem.
If I had the money.. I would take the M3.. looks way better. Who cares if a modded 335i can equal straightline performace.. the M3 has always been about the whole package.
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OK.... no argument about the looks... but my point is:
M3 is too much of a high-rev V8. While it may shine on track, how useful is it for day-to-day driving? M5 has disappointed quite a lot of people since it only pulls like a train above 120mph. How often do we drive that fast (euro members excluded )?
W/ lower RPM torque, cheaper to mod, already excellent handling, 335i IMO could be made (a lot) faster than stock E92 M3 for a lot less money. Just wait until some tuners like AA come up w/ bigger turbo. M3 may still shine on track but 335i will no doubt eat M3 on daily basis....
I think BMW made a mistake introducing 335i first, especially w/ turbo. Unless, they have already got a plan to introduce 4.2L turbo M3 couple years down the road
That would be something.... 
M3 is too much of a high-rev V8. While it may shine on track, how useful is it for day-to-day driving? M5 has disappointed quite a lot of people since it only pulls like a train above 120mph. How often do we drive that fast (euro members excluded
)?W/ lower RPM torque, cheaper to mod, already excellent handling, 335i IMO could be made (a lot) faster than stock E92 M3 for a lot less money. Just wait until some tuners like AA come up w/ bigger turbo. M3 may still shine on track but 335i will no doubt eat M3 on daily basis....
I think BMW made a mistake introducing 335i first, especially w/ turbo. Unless, they have already got a plan to introduce 4.2L turbo M3 couple years down the road
That would be something....
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I heard Vishnu's program blew up the 335i? Don't get me wrong, it's a great company in the STi/EVO scene, but I'm not sure if I want to go with them when it comes to BMW given the fact that AA has more experiences with BMW.
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OK.... no argument about the looks... but my point is:
M3 is too much of a high-rev V8. While it may shine on track, how useful is it for day-to-day driving? M5 has disappointed quite a lot of people since it only pulls like a train above 120mph. How often do we drive that fast (euro members excluded )?
W/ lower RPM torque, cheaper to mod, already excellent handling, 335i IMO could be made (a lot) faster than stock E92 M3 for a lot less money. Just wait until some tuners like AA come up w/ bigger turbo. M3 may still shine on track but 335i will no doubt eat M3 on daily basis....
I think BMW made a mistake introducing 335i first, especially w/ turbo. Unless, they have already got a plan to introduce 4.2L turbo M3 couple years down the road That would be something....
M3 is too much of a high-rev V8. While it may shine on track, how useful is it for day-to-day driving? M5 has disappointed quite a lot of people since it only pulls like a train above 120mph. How often do we drive that fast (euro members excluded
)?W/ lower RPM torque, cheaper to mod, already excellent handling, 335i IMO could be made (a lot) faster than stock E92 M3 for a lot less money. Just wait until some tuners like AA come up w/ bigger turbo. M3 may still shine on track but 335i will no doubt eat M3 on daily basis....
I think BMW made a mistake introducing 335i first, especially w/ turbo. Unless, they have already got a plan to introduce 4.2L turbo M3 couple years down the road
That would be something.... .......I understand your point, but the specs for the new M3 is 4.5 secs 0-60 and 12.5sec 1/4 mile. 4.5 sec from 0-60 is not exactly slow off the line. With a quater mile time of 12.5 secs, you would have expected a slightly faster 0-60 time, but as published those numbers are better than E63 and silimar to W211 E55.
........as for a CLK63, no one in US has a hard top CLK63........very bad bad mistake by AMG. The new CLk63 black series will cost $130K. This is about 21/2 times the cost of the new M3. For that price, I sure hope it out performs the new M3 on the track, but I'm not sure it will.
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Many tests have confirmed it (autobild, sport auto) is as fast or even faster and here are some videos..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqvkfrbh9YQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4lWT...elated&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqvkfrbh9YQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4lWT...elated&search=
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.......I understand your point, but the specs for the new M3 is 4.5 secs 0-60 and 12.5sec 1/4 mile. 4.5 sec from 0-60 is not exactly slow off the line. With a quater mile time of 12.5 secs, you would have expected a slightly faster 0-60 time, but as published those numbers are better than E63 and silimar to W211 E55.
What I'm trying to say is: Separate between track (autocross and drag strip) and day-to-day driving. While M3 may shine on track (it may even overwhelm CLK63 Black), it leaves the owner w/ nothing on day-to-day driving - low torque and HP that is only accessible near red-line. What kind of fun is that?
