Zlicious

Hey guys, here is another angle of the race:

http://media.putfile.com/Mercedez-e5...orvette-C06-C6

blackbenzz

I'll trade you both my cars for your car

juicee63

Im confused.

You are eliminating the one chance the 55 had in this race, you see it booom then you shift and adios. You were able to ride your gearing and the torque benefit of the 55 is diminished.(I know the traction thing but thats part of owning the Vette) I think Sleeper stays closer and RFLOW with spray says buh bye. I listened again, The 55 should of downshifted , sounds like just a slow rev and I think way too fast a shift from 3rd to 4th? Regardless not much the 55 could do but a modded 55? I can show you a vid of a Z06 from a dig vs a stock 55 and it took half the track for the Vette to catch and pass and then it finished maybe 5 cars ahead? Your Vette is very nice and very fast but a modded 55 should do better IMHO

Zlicious

Zlicious

I wasn't going to reply because I don't really care too much to prove anything, but you have to understand something here. Maybe I did not make it clear, but, I am VERY aware that the E55 would have done MUCH better from a dig. Again, the Z06 is VERY difficult to launch given its power/weight ratio. But, from a roll, you have to look at the numbers and no car in the world can defy physics. The AMG has 490 rwhp and weighs in at 4200 lbs, my Z06 has 460 rwhp (before the fitler), lighter tires (PS2's), and a shifter (not that it mattered, lol, I shift slow) and weighs in at 3100 lbs. Now, lets do some math here. Les is 170 lbs, I am 170 lbs. Both of our passengers were ~150 lbs.

AMG:
4200 lbs + 170 lbs (lLes) + 150 lb passenger = 4520 lbs
4520 lbs / 490 rwhp = 9.22 lb/hp

Z06:
3100 lbs + 170 lbs (Me) + 150 lbs passenger = 3420 lbs
3100 lbs / 460 rwhp = 6.73 lb/hp

Look at that ENORMOUS power/weight advantage the Z06 has over the AMG in this roll race. And that is not adding in aerodynamics and the gearing advantage the Z06 has.

I hope now it is more clear to some of you that are unsure why this race had an outcome the way it did. It makes perfect sense on paper and on the street. From a dig, it will be a different story because it is not about numbers anymore, it is about traction, driver control, etc.

juicee63

The Impala also has a better p/wt ratio yet the 55 walks it and only has 5 more hp. The impala has 1hp for evry 8 lb while the 55 has 1 lb for every 9lbs. So if your physics calculations mean anything the Impala should also beat the 55 based on mass, force and acceleration.

The E55 you raced is broken. They break all the time, especially modded ones. Check the IC pump, Check the clock, check the TB, check something. Sleeper , Rocket, RFLOW, w19rocket, Jackpro,Rudy? Ted? Enzom, Chicago?help me out here. You guys would all lose to the Z06 from a roll? I mean like 25plus cars? ok Im watching this again, I think Gustav could be behind this

Thericker

I LOVE both & have to jump sides here here's a video of a Kleemann stage 4 CLS55 640HP vs. C6 Z06 w/Linginfelter 616HP cam package they appear much more EVEN than the latest vid in question??? Actually pretty damned even

Are Kleemann mods that much more potent?
Did Gustav somehow molest this E55 Renntech video?
I am posting this out've trying to get to the bottom of this, & to show you guys I have NO favoritism TO EITHER BRAND! I love them both, they both have great positives, & weaknesses.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xJHyGx2--L8

OK there's some kind of conspiracy the video isn't working now???

juicee63

Here is another one that makes more sense course it seems like stock vs stock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vjq5BJKR68

ROCKETW19

juice buddy i wish my car was faster but once thoes cars get going there is no stoping them. you watched the zo6 race the stock E55 the e55 had it at the start and half way threw the 1/4 mile the z pulled it in and floated by no problem and if the track was longer it would of looked silly. so give the E 55 a extra 100 hp and it will be closer real close but the z will still win in the 1/4 mile and keep adding distance the farther you go.
bottom line the Z got the jump the E was probably in the wrong gear and it wouldnt of mattered anyways the Z is crazy fast!

ROCKETW19

that guy is stupid in the yellow vet! listen to when he shifts, way to soon.

E55 RUSS

I had diff result....rolling start I was faster the Z06 till 140...

TonyJ89117

Personally, I think the E55 was not performing up to snuff against the Z06.

There is no way an essentially stock C6 Z06 would pull so strongly from a stage 5 E55. I would guess the IC pump had a failure causing the E55 to perform poorly.

Also, did the E55 driver start his car in Sport 1st or 2nd gear, whichever is optimum depending on the speed? Or did he have it in Drive/Sport mode and just let the car downshift?

Something is not right

AdamG@NorCal

Ricker, Kleemann and Renntech have different style headers. I believe this is where Kleemann has the upper hand since the primary cats are removed.

I personally think that the Evosport headers make better power due to its design, could be a different race altogether. (if the owner chooses to use shorty headers)

Zlicious

Umm, that wasn't even a C6 Z06.

Zlicious

I see you don't know much about cars. The Impala is a automatic, with turbo lag, that doesn't have the gearing the Z06 has, nor the aerodynamics.

Gustav

With SLR cams, would it win over the Z06? The SLR wasslightly faster than the tuned Z06 on the airfield, but won every race if I recollect right vs the Z06.

Zlicious

I will just let the AMG owner him self chime in on this one. I am not going to argue with some of you. Look at my power/weight post when you want to understand why I beat the AMG like I did. That is all..

JAYCL600

whats going on here, this thread is getting ridiculous...OK so if there was something "theoretically" wrong with the E55 the outcome would have been closer, so freakin what, the end result would have been the same...and thats a whoopin from a Zo6, the guy says he traps 126 and thats a FAST trap, givem a break

JAYCL600

this is an e55 not an slr, there are several differences that wont allow it to compete at the same level the first is weight

Gustav

True, but power as well.

ItalianStallion

Exactly. The Z06 is basically undefeatable unless you are HEAVILY modified.

evoviiiyou

Jays edit! Looks real nice. Great work Jay. Anyway, the bottom line is the Z is a fast car! With its power to weight and a good driver they are devastating. If you must race one as I posted earlier here would be my plan. First, remove about 600 pounds out of the E, then a 100 shot nitrous, 100 octane unleaded(let the ecu re-learn), plus my existing RT stage 5 and you should be right there. Short of this, a stockish Z will run with(on the roll) evos that run 126-128mph in the quarter, 997 turbos that trap 126-128mph in the quarter and on a roll race the Z would definatly hold its own. Considering that these Evos and 911's are making 550awhp to the ground on a dyno jet and that they weigh in the 3400-3500lb range, one can see what a equalizer power to weight truely is. When comparing trap speeds in the quarter you have a good indication of power but it is not a true indicator of power when you race from a roll to a much higher MPH. If Fadis car is making 460 on a mustang dyno, its prolly closer to 490ish on a dynojet...and at 3100lbs 490rwhp is more like 590rwhp when compared to a car that weighs at least 1000lbs more(more lice 1200lbs more). So a 4300lb E55 would need at least 590rwhp to make this, well a race...short of that and you will be victomized if the Z driver has any skills.

evoviiiyou

Also the camera view from my E55 makes the race a little closer in terms of perception than the camera view from the Z...maybe its just me??

Marcus Frost

juicee63 - it's hard to take a loss - it pains me too watching this video but my friend I don't think anything would have really changed the outcome. That was a healthy pull by the Z06, maybe if the E55 was rev'd right or some other excuse it would have delayed the beating but not prevented it.

The video you posted is not stock vs stock, and the yellow car is a C5 Z06, not a C6 Z06. It looks to me like that K4 CLS55 got beaten pretty handily too.

Is it really so hard for us AMG guys to realize that yes, there are 3000lb 500hp sports cars out there than can beat us? Or is it because the Vette costs less than some of you have trouble with grasping? The field is very competitive these days my friends - and there are some FLYING cars out there. The AMG cars are not going to win them all - but I will tell you all what driving the Z06 makes you appreciate just how well appointed the AMGs are. I recently drove the 55 to Indianapolis and this weekend up to Lake Geneva and it's such an incredible cruiser... the Z06 is comfy but not even in the same solar system as the AMG cars in terms of luxury, comfort, and refinement.

-m

355Spider

How does that look even? That looked more like a bus length to me.

Just think about this fellas. Take the fastest stock E55 in the QT(?) and the fastest stock Z06(10.85@129) and compare them and you see why a Z06 is faster. Even the slower Z06s run high 11s @121.

Power to weight with gearing. It's pretty easy to see what happens. If you want an E55 that will outrun a Z06 from a roll then it needs a power to weight ratio that's close to equal. With the true weight of a Z06 being about 3080 and stock power being 460rwhp on most cars that leaves you with 6.69lb/hp. WIth an E55wieghing 4200/6.69 you would need the E55 to have about 627hp. So just drop an SLR engine in and you're set.