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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 09:39 AM
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Fun with a Z06.

I'm cruising down I-95 in the middle of three lanes at about 80 when I see a black Vette approaching in the right lane. There's a little traffic but enough room to play so as he starts to pass me on the right I match his speed, about 100 mph, and see it's a new Z06. Now, I know I've got no chance in a high speed roll against a Z06 but I've never played with one and wanted to see just how bad it would be.

So we're cruising at a 100, side by side for awhile and I give the E a little bump to see if he wants to go. He, in obvious contempt and ignorance of my 4-door sedan, drops a gear and nails it. Anticipating this, I've already dropped a gear and I'm ready so I nail it during his gear change and get a little jump on him. Despite the jump, he immediately begins to pull away but not nearly as quickly as HE thought he would.

I suspect he was so confident of his car..and completely ignorant of mine, that he attempted to move into my lane as we approached traffic assuming I would be well behind him. Surprise! I was still close enough to stuff his lane change and see the surprised expression on his face.

In conclusion, I have to say the Z06 smoked me as expected but not as bad as I thought. They are damn fast cars. However, with a little skill and a little jump you can surprise some of them. Not as satisfying as beating one but still fun.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 10:14 AM
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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Yep. You're talking about the C6 Z06 right? The one with 505 hp V8?

I actually would have expected it to walk you like it was nothing. Those Z06s are really damn fast trapping in the 11 second range in the low or mid 120 mph range for the 1/4 mile.

Your E55 was all stock right? Because I know the same Z06s can walk or pull away easily from E60 M5s and even the M6s. And already the Ms (according to videos on youtube either biased, fake or staged and whatnot) show that at higher speeds can pull easily on AMGs. Is it legitimate or not?

But nice run. E55 AMGs are real fast and quick too. Good surprise on him

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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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Yep. You're talking about the C6 Z06 right? The one with 505 hp V8?

I actually would have expected it to walk you like it was nothing. Those Z06s are really damn fast trapping in the 11 second range in the low or mid 120 mph range for the 1/4 mile.

Your E55 was all stock right? Because I know the same Z06s can walk or pull away easily from E60 M5s and even the M6s. And already the Ms (according to videos on youtube either biased, fake or staged and whatnot) show that at higher speeds can pull easily on AMGs. Is it legitimate or not?

But nice run. E55 AMGs are real fast and quick too. Good surprise on him
Yep. Definately a new one. I see them at Moroso all the time and with the right driver they are REALLY fast. Their ETs and MPH are all over the place depending on the driver.

My E55 is bone stock and I don't think the Vette driver was familiar with our cars as he took a somewhat casual approach to our little sprint which allowed me to keep up better than expected. I'm sure he was surprised. But, starting at 100 I don't think the E stood much of a chance.

I've got a friend that just traded his Porsche for a new Z06 because he got tired of being dusted by my E. Can't wait to try him from a dig which I think I'll win because he can't drive worth a damn.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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Sounds like you know them well, but are you sure it was a Z06? With the C6, it is hard to tell. The obvious is the red brake calipers and the little hood scoop. Otherwise, it looks just like the coupe. The Z06 is wider, but without putting it next to a standard C6, it isn't obvious.

The standard C6 (I have the convertible) would be a really close race with an E55. Both have been tested right at 12.5 in the quarter and 0-60 in 4.1.

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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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Sounds like you know them well, but are you sure it was a Z06? With the C6, it is hard to tell. The obvious is the red brake calipers and the little hood scoop. Otherwise, it looks just like the coupe. The Z06 is wider, but without putting it next to a standard C6, it isn't obvious.

The standard C6 (I have the convertible) would be a really close race with an E55. Both have been tested right at 12.5 in the quarter and 0-60 in 4.1.

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Stock C6 is more like 12.7 and 4.5. Stock E55 = 12.4 and 4.2...........so it may be close but not a "really close race". The best I've seen at the track is low 13's and high 12's.....and then comes the Z06 and shows off his beast.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 01:06 PM
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Depends on who is doing the testing. I've seen 4.1 on both cars and low 12's on both. That is for an 07 Corvette, of course. The 08 adds another 30 or 36 HP, so all bets are off.

Basically a drivers race.
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C6 Z06 Power ?????

You know I always wondered, how does the C6 Z06 do it? How can a 500 hp NA engine keep up with (or at least stay very close to) 620 hp Supercharged SLR ???? How can it keep up with (or even beat) a 600 hp E55 K3 or K4 ????? Is the Chevy engine that good???? And how about the upcoming Z07, it is supposed to be 650 hp supercharged ???
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
You know I always wondered, how does the C6 Z06 do it? How can a 500 hp NA engine keep up with (or at least stay very close to) 620 hp Supercharged SLR ???? How can it keep up with (or even beat) a 600 hp E55 K3 or K4 ????? Is the Chevy engine that good???? And how about the upcoming Z07, it is supposed to be 650 hp supercharged ???
Weight and Aerodynamics.......when comparing the E-class. As for the SLR it could be faster but MB needs to sell it's faster brother each year the new models come out.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by speedpeddler
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Surprise! I was still close enough to stuff his lane change and see the surprised expression on his face.
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What does that mean? To "stuff his lane change" ??

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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
You know I always wondered, how does the C6 Z06 do it? How can a 500 hp NA engine keep up with (or at least stay very close to) 620 hp Supercharged SLR ???? How can it keep up with (or even beat) a 600 hp E55 K3 or K4 ????? Is the Chevy engine that good???? And how about the upcoming Z07, it is supposed to be 650 hp supercharged ???
The Z06 is significantly lighter than the Benzes. Also, according to plenty of dynos we've seen that lots of them are rated extremely conservative and they are putting out closer to 540bhp. They are gear excellently. They have great aerodynamics (though I've heard the regular C6 is more aerodynamic than the Z06). They are naturally aspirated so no big losses like you guys in the 55k's see when temperatures rise.

Its a badass car bro.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 03:33 PM
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What does that mean? To "stuff his lane change" ??

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It means that if the Z06 would've moved over into the E's lane the result would look similar to your left sig. picture.

speedpeddler: nice story
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 03:45 PM
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What does that mean? To "stuff his lane change" ??

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To "stuff his lane change" means I was still close enough to his bumper to prevent him from moving into MY lane. Something I've done a few times myself when I really want to put the smack down on a kill.

I'm not a Vette fan even after owning a half dozen, (I don't like the Vette build quality and I like 4 seats/doors), but the new Z06 is one mean ****. I'm considering getting rid of one of my other rides and just maybe parking one next to the E in the garage.

And yes, I'm sure it was a Z06.
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Originally Posted by tscales
Sounds like you know them well, but are you sure it was a Z06? With the C6, it is hard to tell. The obvious is the red brake calipers and the little hood scoop. Otherwise, it looks just like the coupe. The Z06 is wider, but without putting it next to a standard C6, it isn't obvious.

The standard C6 (I have the convertible) would be a really close race with an E55. Both have been tested right at 12.5 in the quarter and 0-60 in 4.1.

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Actually, I didn't recognize it as a Z06 until I was right next to him and was able to see the badge on the fender. That's when I knew things weren't going my way. Haha.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 05:18 PM
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Maybe it's hard to paint a picture of what happened with words, but more often than not I read these "kill stories" (or in this case a non-kill story) and come away wondering what the heck did happen. You readily admit you got "smoked" but say you were so close he couldn't even change lanes. Did the attempted lane change happen after he had let off or something? I don't see a stock E staying within a car length of a Z from a 100 mph roll for very long, unless maybe his gear change was from 6th to 5th.
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Old Aug 21, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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Speedpeddler,
I enjoyed reading your z06 encounter and would like to personally encourage others to post theirs. It is quite amazing how fast our cars are and if you catch someone right, you can definately surprise them. Although you lost, you did not get smoked like the z06 driver thought he would do and he had to fall in behind you. So in my opinion YOU WON!
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Actually, I didn't recognize it as a Z06 until I was right next to him and was able to see the badge on the fender. That's when I knew things weren't going my way. Haha.
Yeah, the badge is a giveaway.

Although I knew a guy who put the Z06 badge on his C5 Convertible. He never did understand why it made me laugh.

Sort of like an E55 badge on an E320, I suppose.
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I would be curious as to how the E63 would have done in the same situation?

I'm ready for an upgrade, but don't know which is faster E55 or E63 (stock).
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Good race. One reason why you might have been closer than you think is because the driver more than likely put the car in 4th gear instead of 3rd. Heck, at 100 mph, even I sometimes just leave it in 4th and just say "screw it" since I know I will pull eventually when my rpms increase.

It is all about driver, and anyone can beat anyone in any car and anywhere if the driver is not competent (what the hell did I just say??..)
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Originally Posted by J 2OOI
It means that if the Z06 would've moved over into the E's lane the result would look similar to your left sig. picture.

speedpeddler: nice story
LOL.. the left picture was a result of hitting a car and a pole.. and no, I wasn't driving it at the time! Fortunately, the famed crumple zone actually saved lives!

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Originally Posted by R. Range
Maybe it's hard to paint a picture of what happened with words, but more often than not I read these "kill stories" (or in this case a non-kill story) and come away wondering what the heck did happen. You readily admit you got "smoked" but say you were so close he couldn't even change lanes. Did the attempted lane change happen after he had let off or something? I don't see a stock E staying within a car length of a Z from a 100 mph roll for very long, unless maybe his gear change was from 6th to 5th.
As I said before, I suspect the Vette driver was lulled into a false sense of contempt for my 4-door sedan and didn't take me seriously. He probably should have gone for a lower gear. I don't think he was familiar with AMG's but I sure am with Z06's. Also, we started at 100 on a busy interstate so the sprint was very short before we encountered traffic that ended the fun.

I have no illusions of how my car will run against a new Z06. I was just having a little fun. With 25 yrs. of Drag racing experience I know ANYTHING can happen and the fastest car doesn't always win.
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