ItalianStallion

Haha, I figured with all the car geeks on these forums (myself included) someone would have picked that up in 5 minutes. Oh well

You were ready to rip me a new a**hole too! LOL.

MRAMG1

You have seen too many movies, Mr Diesel

See yeah

chiromikey

no i wasn't ready to rip you one, but i was completely confused. it's a technique i've never used and thought maybe there was some new twist to it i didn't know about or the lingo had evolved to mean something else.

ChicagoX

In a modern syncro-equipped car, it's of little use.

Pre-syncro, it would allow you to shift fast without grinding.

305-E55

Alright sounds good

Zlicious

I am the C6 Z06 driver that raced evoviiiyou in his stage 5. I would like to say a few things.

First of all, Les, what's happening brutha? I hope all is well with you man. I am looking forward to hanging out again next summer. Second of all, when I raced Les, like he said, my mods were exactly what they were. Shifter, tires and a filter.

Regarding this video, and many of you may know that I am pro Z06 due to it's amazing performance out of the factory, but I hate to tell ya that there is nothing surprising about this video. You have to understand that the Z06 is damn near perfectly geared to 160 mph. 4th gear goes to 160 and it is geared 1:1. Once the Z06 shifts out of 4th and into 5th, this is when the Z06 is not so super car like anymore. 5th gears is geared so long that it is useless for acceleration. This is why the Z06 gets 28-30 mpg on the expressway. 5th gear has a .74:1, again, useless for acceleration. So while the Z06 is geared to go fast from 120-160, the M6 is geared to go fast from 160-190. It utilizes its 1:1 in 6th gear I believe. Think about that for a second. That is like the Z06 being in 4th gear.

What is impressive about this video is that the M6 was able to edge out the Z06 at 160 mph. I can careless if it is 30 cars ahead at 190 because past 160, the Z06 is dead. But the fact that the M6 was ahead at 160 is very, VERY impressive. I have raced many, many cars and I know how hard the Z06 pulls to 160, so the M6 gets much props.

Do keep in mind that the M6 had 20K in mods done (stated on the BMW Boards) and the Z06 was bone stock. I think this shows two things. 1) How incredible the Z06 is as a performer and what it takes other brands to take it down and 2) how awesome the M6 is when modded correctly (but damn it's costly)

The ZR1 is supposed to have a .81:1 in 5th gear. So, this will help it tremendously in accelerating through 5th gear, but we will leave this beast for another topic..

chiromikey

the zr1 was gone in 95???

Richard Galing

2009 650HP Corvette under the codename "Blue Devil," will be called ZR1.

chiromikey

lol, is that what it's called this week? after i posted i kind of assumed that's what he was referring to but it's been called everything from the "blue devil to "ss", "stingray", z07, mako shark, and everything in between so i wasn't sure.

personally, i hope it's not named after the zr1...that car couldn't hold a candle to it's namesake.

SSM AMG

How to you explain the holding dead even to 160? I understand the vette drops dead in acceleration after but even.

Zlicious

The M6 was 2 cars ahead at 160. When the Z06 made that last shif, that was 160. It was not even.

But for the M6 to pull the Z06 by 160 is very impressive, and must be making A LOT more power than stock given that a stock Z06 would destroy a stock M6 to 160 (even to 180)

stevebez

Its lots of mods + fabulous gearing = faster... simple

Thats why I keep *****in' about the E63 gearing - its absolute rubbish for a so called 7sp... wake up AMG.

The gearing on that SMG is nothing other than perfect right up to 200mph... pefect for the M's powerband ... but then you have to live with crappy LC... cant have it all I suppose... but imagine an E63 with gearing more evenly staggered and matched to its power band better ...

I bet BlueArrow - when he reports back will have something to say in this regard of the M's gearing.

For E55's to overcome that gearing with our 5 speeders requires a ton more of un-heatsoaked power. Going to a 2.82 to me is a must if you want to compete in the 120mph+ club.

A 2.82, 19" with 275/30's is as the best we can produce with our 5 speeder in my opinion ... but I digress.

SSM AMG

What is the gears in a s55? I heard it different than the E. Could it be swaped?

TopGun32

bingo.. E63's gearing is really horrible, the 2 extra gears really are made to save MPG. Its a better than the 5sp auto we have on the E55 but NOT in the league of the SMG3 M5/M6 when in comes to top speed.

However AMG's transmission is much smoother than the SMG3, therefore you have a trade off between comfort and performance.

in reality.. 63 owners don't really need to have more power or torque.. they just need better gearing from 5 to 7th.

05VENOM

Let me see if I got this right. A bone stock $77,000
Corvette Z06 (by the way Kerbeck is discounting to the low 70's) that is not even in the break-in period is being compared to a $95,000 M6 heavily modded ($20,000 they say) and the M6 reached 160mph by only 2 car lengths.

Just out of curiousity, if the Z06 had a modified intake, headers, exhaust, Ecu (still not even in the price range of a stock M6) what do you think the outcome would be?

Can't wait to get the '08 Viper, then stock for stock we have competition.

SleeperX

This makes absolute sense. If you listen to the video, once the Z06 shifts into 5th gear it falls flat on its face. I thought the driver shifted to early, let off the gas or something because the sound with from a loud groan to a mellow meow.

Zlicious

It did seem like the driver was shifting slow/early. But, even if the driver drove that car very well, the best case scenario would be an even race at 160. The M6's gearing past 160 is just too superior to the Z06's.

If the Z06 had an intake, headers, exhaust, and a tune, it would have beat the M6 to 160 but would still have a hard time keeping up past 160. This is jmo.

jidex

This is the most informative post here
Thanks for the input.
I've learnt alot from reading all of this. I own an M6 and regularly take it to 190+ your explanantion about the gearing explains alot
Thanks

7 speed SMG

+1 ^^ Best post on the Thread!!

wolverine

I have to agree. I've been arguing with a number of Z06 owners who basically say "there's no way this could have happened". It's tough to argue with somebody like that ("the driver sucked...etc...) It's a pleasure to read something like this from a true car enthusiast.

I've read a number of posts from Mercedes AMG, BMW M cars, and assorted others, and it's really unfortunate that a few bad apples distort what could be a really good time discussing kick-*** cars. As I've read the posts here, and seen the evidence, I've come to understand that the E55 is definitely the quarter mile king of the performance sedans. Outstanding! I'm still trying to figure out where the E63 fits...

I'll also venture my opinion that the M5 rules on the highway and in the curves, but I understand that there are other opinions out there. but I'll always appreciate when I hear from a true enthusiast - somebody that recognizes outstanding performance regardless of where it comes from.

The M6 in this video is definitely a kick-*** car, and hung with the Vette up to 160, then walked it. It's one of the best, fairest video's I've seen. But I won't go challenging Z06's anytime soon...

Zod

good sport my man
I agree that the branding wars is a bit silly, very impressive how the m6 performed, and although some may not like it, this was a street race and on the street there are no excesses a win is a win, and the best part is i believe they had fun doing it which is part of been a true car enthusiast

ItalianStallion

So are we

Very nice info you got there Zlicious! Thanks for sharing.

Zlicious

I just say it like it is, that's all. Regardless of how biased one is, opinions are opinions and facts ars facts, period.

enzom

I just heard that Chuck Norris was driving the M6. No wonder the Z06 lost.

Thericker

C6 Z06 ---STOCK new M5 ----Headers + Uni Chip - Tune

It's my understanding the M5 & M6 share the exact same engine right?
So besides the gears in the M6 video & a little weight, this race should be very similar, but it isn't....+ the dude in the Z06 has a kool Turbin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDNJU...0c6%20bmw%20m5