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Old 09-27-2007, 07:30 AM
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No longer stock '06 E55, A3 3.2 Quattro, LRD4 HSE, R107 280SL
screen shot ? remind me the function ?
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Originally Posted by stevebez
screen shot ? remind me the function ?
  • on the key board is a print screen button.
  • Press it on the screen you want us to see.
  • Then open paint and paste the image in
  • save the file as .jpg or any other image format

after you save the file, upload it as an attchment

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The E55 should be around even with an E60 M5 like somebody else already said....

From a dig, the E55 should have the M5 beat.

From a roll, you're going to get walked on above 120 mph.
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No longer stock '06 E55, A3 3.2 Quattro, LRD4 HSE, R107 280SL
Here is the chart .... (Edit: thanks for the screen capture process)

So what I tried to calculate is the wheel power applied to the ground as the car accelerates ... taking the car's gearing into account. I assumed all cars had same wheel diameters - which is not the case as the M has a larger diam wheel - and would reduce the effective power aplpied by the M slightly. The area under the curve represents the volume if u like of the power applied by the car from 0 to vmax...

If you look at the chart up to 185km/h ~115mph ... thats roughly the end of the qtr mile .. the M has clearly put out more power volume than either Benz... what is interesting is this does not translate into real world results... perhaps its SMG , and the use of a torque convertor on our cars that skew things but quite surpriing as I thought the AMG's power volume would be higher lower down in the torque region , and the M higher in the top end but the M seems to be higher throughout.

Not 100% certain over the methodology but any constructive criticism welcome! And it has to be constructive otherwise I'll start talking about my Wetterauer valves again...

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Old 09-28-2007, 03:45 AM
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the chart uses km/h so i have no idea what you're talking about.
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No longer stock '06 E55, A3 3.2 Quattro, LRD4 HSE, R107 280SL
For the arithmetically challenged (kmh / 1.609 = mph), and those allergic to all thats metric ... Ill repost with MPH...

Now was that constructive cristicism? ... hmmm marginal ... so Ill leave my valves alone for now ....
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Originally Posted by stevebez
Here is the chart .... (Edit: thanks for the screen capture process)

So what I tried to calculate is the wheel power applied to the ground as the car accelerates ... taking the car's gearing into account. I assumed all cars had same wheel diameters - which is not the case as the M has a larger diam wheel - and would reduce the effective power aplpied by the M slightly. The area under the curve represents the volume if u like of the power applied by the car from 0 to vmax...

If you look at the chart up to 185km/h ~115mph ... thats roughly the end of the qtr mile .. the M has clearly put out more power volume than either Benz... what is interesting is this does not translate into real world results... perhaps its SMG , and the use of a torque convertor on our cars that skew things but quite surpriing as I thought the AMG's power volume would be higher lower down in the torque region , and the M higher in the top end but the M seems to be higher throughout.

Not 100% certain over the methodology but any constructive criticism welcome! And it has to be constructive otherwise I'll start talking about my Wetterauer valves again...

I actually wheel torque across mph. I also try to average out the wheel torque in each gear. Did you include the effect of how HP changes drastically relative to RPM and gearing?

IMO, if one plotted wheel torque across MPH it would show that the SMG is nothing more than a band-aid for the fact that the M motor is not a good motor for the street.
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Yes took the engine power at rpm relative to roadspeed in the best gear applicable at the time .... I also think HP is required as its the rate of torque delivery - for example given 500ftlb of torque at 60mph at 1000rpm vs a motor giving 400ftlb at 4000rpm clearly the second engine is doing more work and will accelerate faster....

Regarding ...
Did you include the effect of how HP changes drastically relative to RPM and gearing?
This was the whole point of the exercise...
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$800 ASP pulley

$100 Johnson Pump

and custom IC HE (under $800)

dont believe me.. (search Cali Speedway event 9/21/2007) and ask JRocket about it.

The TB will be icing on the cake.. you won't need it.
Thanks for all the replays guys.

What kind of power are you making with this set up?
Don´t you have ECU tuning to cope with the pulley boost?
Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by J.Seven
Thanks for all the replays guys.

What kind of power are you making with this set up?
Don´t you have ECU tuning to cope with the pulley boost?
Thanks in advance.

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No ECU mod needed for JUST a pulley. If you end up doing multiple mods to the intake / exhaust, then yes.
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No ECU mod needed for JUST a pulley. If you end up doing multiple mods to the intake / exhaust, then yes.
My engineers are saying that in order to get the most out of a pulley, you should really modify the ECU to handle the extra boost.

In practice, I would have to agree. We have tried it a number of ways to see the results....

Pulley/no ECU...there were gains, but the car felt incomplete....throttle response/speed limited/narrow power band

ECU software designed for the pulley, with no pulley.....awful! Power band extremely narrow, and really not much performance.

This is why we have two different software set ups...one for the pulley and one without.
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My engineers are saying that in order to get the most out of a pulley, you should really modify the ECU to handle the extra boost.

In practice, I would have to agree. We have tried it a number of ways to see the results....

Pulley/no ECU...there were gains, but the car felt incomplete....throttle response/speed limited/narrow power band

ECU software designed for the pulley, with no pulley.....awful! Power band extremely narrow, and really not much performance.

This is why we have two different software set ups...one for the pulley and one without.

Do you have data on an '06 E55 built in '06?
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Originally Posted by jangy
Do you have data on an '06 E55 built in '06?
For which set up?
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Originally Posted by IngenereAMG
My engineers are saying that in order to get the most out of a pulley, you should really modify the ECU to handle the extra boost.

In practice, I would have to agree. We have tried it a number of ways to see the results....

Pulley/no ECU...there were gains, but the car felt incomplete....throttle response/speed limited/narrow power band

ECU software designed for the pulley, with no pulley.....awful! Power band extremely narrow, and really not much performance.

This is why we have two different software set ups...one for the pulley and one without.
Im lost here.How can you have a team of engineers but no shop? The more I read,the more BS I see.You yourself had Oliver tune your personal SL55 but now you have a team of engineers?Are you indeed a Chiropractor,weight loss instructor,race car driver,car tuning specialist?Your trying to come across as a shop/tuner here but your just a middle man,or not?Id like some facts.

Dean,whats the real story here? It is Dean Micalizio correct?
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Im lost here.How can you have a team of engineers but no shop? The more I read,the more BS I see.You yourself had Oliver tune your personal SL55 but now you have a team of engineers?Are you indeed a Chiropractor,weight loss instructor,race car driver,car tuning specialist?Your trying to come across as a shop/tuner here but your just a middle man,or not?Id like some facts.

Dean,whats the real story here? It is Dean Micalizio correct?
We have a shop in Fountain Hills, AZ that we work through. So I am not sure what you are talking about. Most of our business however, is done through our partners and mail order, so having a brick and morter shop is for local business only.

I employ directly and indirectly a number of software and development engineers, both in the US and the EU. We work together on projects, testing and retesting to get what we want. In the software industry, I belive in is called......outsource.

I am a physician, but I also run a number of other businesses, if that's OK with you.

Bottom line is that we have put alot of work into developing some great products, and our clients are happy with our products and customer service......and that's what counts. If you want to try us great.....if not, that's OK, too.
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While I'm sure you're a great guy, I can't be alone in feeling beaten over the head with your incessant "marketing."

Please, please dial it back a bit. We know you sell software.

Thanks,

Wayne.
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Originally Posted by IngenereAMG
We have a shop in Fountain Hills, AZ that we work through. So I am not sure what you are talking about. Most of our business however, is done through our partners and mail order, so having a brick and morter shop is for local business only.

I employ directly and indirectly a number of software and development engineers, both in the US and the EU. We work together on projects, testing and retesting to get what we want. In the software industry, I belive in is called......outsource.

I am a physician, but I also run a number of other businesses, if that's OK with you.

Bottom line is that we have put alot of work into developing some great products, and our clients are happy with our products and customer service......and that's what counts. If you want to try us great.....if not, that's OK, too.
I dont buy it.I asked you a while back if you had a shop that I could stop by and check out while I was in the Phoenix area,you said no.Now you have a shop that your are "working through"What does that mean?It means more BS.

Your the middle man that trys to pass yourself off as some hig profile racer/tuner/engineer...did I miss any?

Run as many buisness's as you want,hopefully they will be better than this ordeal your trying and also those pesky little charges that have been brought up on you over in the Chiro field.

So how does YOUR car run with the Oliver tune?

Team of engineers,give me a break middle man....
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Originally Posted by IngenereAMG
For which set up?
Show me data showing ECU mod gains on an '06 built in '06. The setup does not matter, but I'll take a pulley and ECU vs pulley alone?
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Originally Posted by TopGun32
$800 ASP pulley

$100 Johnson Pump

and custom IC HE (under $800)

dont believe me.. (search Cali Speedway event 9/21/2007) and ask JRocket about it.

The TB will be icing on the cake.. you won't need it.
Sounds attractive and reasonably priced. I'm considering something similar.

What seat of the pants and/or differences in acceleration or dyno results have you seen with those mods, compared to stock?
Thanks

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