How do we get more power out of our E63?
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Well MB will blacklist the car ASAP. And there is nothing you can do about it. The tuners will have you believe that it's undetectable but I challenge any of them to post their removal procedure and then you can decide if it will be detectable (63 removal procedure).
The issues I've seen have been with transmission. Again please don't PM me asking for who/where/what, if the people that had the issues want to I am sure they'll chime in.
As far as I am concerned, getting a .12 sec improvement on the 1/4 miles is just not worth the money/trouble/risk. (Rick's car has ECU + Headers + filter mod + drag radials) and his best time was only .12 better than the stock. Don't get me wrong, his car is amazing and sick, but you'd have a hard to convincing me he has more than 15 HP from the EDU if he's only gaining .12
The risk of getting blacklisted in basically worth about $10K to me, add the cost of the mods ($2K for ECU), I am just not seeing the benefit here guys.
The issues I've seen have been with transmission. Again please don't PM me asking for who/where/what, if the people that had the issues want to I am sure they'll chime in.
As far as I am concerned, getting a .12 sec improvement on the 1/4 miles is just not worth the money/trouble/risk. (Rick's car has ECU + Headers + filter mod + drag radials) and his best time was only .12 better than the stock. Don't get me wrong, his car is amazing and sick, but you'd have a hard to convincing me he has more than 15 HP from the EDU if he's only gaining .12
The risk of getting blacklisted in basically worth about $10K to me, add the cost of the mods ($2K for ECU), I am just not seeing the benefit here guys.
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Hey looks like I've missed alot here
Well lets start with the .12 over stock. Is that stock 1/4 time as per MBZ site or the times we got at the track? Now 2nd,what was the fastest mph stock CLS that day? I was 113.44mph and corrected ? I'll Juicee post that? (117.xx) ? Lets just say that with the ECU and headers I can feel something. At 35-40 mph I can light the tires up
with ESP on. IMO the CLS is not a great 1/4 mile car but after 100 mph it comes alive and thats where I think the mods also come to play. My 60 times sucked no ands ifs or buts 
but when you look at my speed ? My car is fast just past that 1/8 mile mark. But wait till 11/30 I think the car will come to life. I mean that was my first time at the drag strip can't wait to get back. I think someone has something up thier sleeve
Well lets start with the .12 over stock. Is that stock 1/4 time as per MBZ site or the times we got at the track? Now 2nd,what was the fastest mph stock CLS that day? I was 113.44mph and corrected ? I'll Juicee post that? (117.xx) ? Lets just say that with the ECU and headers I can feel something. At 35-40 mph I can light the tires up with ESP on. IMO the CLS is not a great 1/4 mile car but after 100 mph it comes alive and thats where I think the mods also come to play. My 60 times sucked no ands ifs or buts but when you look at my speed ? My car is fast just past that 1/8 mile mark. But wait till 11/30 I think the car will come to life. I mean that was my first time at the drag strip can't wait to get back. I think someone has something up thier sleeve
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Hey looks like I've missed alot here Well lets start with the .12 over stock. Is that stock 1/4 time as per MBZ site or the times we got at the track? Now 2nd,what was the fastest mph stock CLS that day? I was 113.44mph and corrected ? I'll Juicee post that? (117.xx) ? Lets just say that with the ECU and headers I can feel something. At 35-40 mph I can light the tires up with ESP on. IMO the CLS is not a great 1/4 mile car but after 100 mph it comes alive and thats where I think the mods also come to play. My 60 times sucked no ands ifs or buts but when you look at my speed ? My car is fast just past that 1/8 mile mark. But wait till 11/30 I think the car will come to life. I mean that was my first time at the drag strip can't wait to get back. I think someone has something up thier sleeve
Well lets start with the .12 over stock. Is that stock 1/4 time as per MBZ site or the times we got at the track? Now 2nd,what was the fastest mph stock CLS that day? I was 113.44mph and corrected ? I'll Juicee post that? (117.xx) ? Lets just say that with the ECU and headers I can feel something. At 35-40 mph I can light the tires up with ESP on. IMO the CLS is not a great 1/4 mile car but after 100 mph it comes alive and thats where I think the mods also come to play. My 60 times sucked no ands ifs or buts but when you look at my speed ? My car is fast just past that 1/8 mile mark. But wait till 11/30 I think the car will come to life. I mean that was my first time at the drag strip can't wait to get back. I think someone has something up thier sleeveI guess only time will tell.
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E63,,,not any more,,,BMW X5 50i
I hate to say it, but you might have something here.......is it "really" worth the extra tenths just to have a fast street car, but to loose the warranty in place of it?? I would love having a car that would be really fast......but on the other hand is it really worth it.....my priorties say "no".....at least something that MB could not detect......you guys helped me to get my mind on $$$$ and cents instead of times..........THANKS.........I will be satisfied for now knowing that I do have a car capable of the performance that we speak of. The bottom line is the " speed costs money.........how fast do you want to go". . . . . .
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I look at it this way, If I race at the drag strip and wreck my car will my insurance cover it? Maybe maybe not If I blow my motor will MBZ cover it? Maybe maybe not We go to race because we love it, it makes us feel good, we have fun, which is what life is all about. I really don't worry if I'm the fastest or the slowest as long as I get the thrill of the race. If I blow something up I would have a blast putting it back together and I would not want a dealer putting it back together I have said this before "Hey, it's only money" have some fun with it. I will have lots of food and water this time Lets have some fun
If I blow my motor will MBZ cover it? Maybe maybe not We go to race because we love it, it makes us feel good, we have fun, which is what life is all about. I really don't worry if I'm the fastest or the slowest as long as I get the thrill of the race. If I blow something up I would have a blast putting it back together and I would not want a dealer putting it back together I have said this before "Hey, it's only money" have some fun with it. I will have lots of food and water this time Lets have some fun
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Has far as is it worth the $$ HELL YA ! to me it's like a show car. I wish there was more mods to buy. You guys are the ones that got me started
Mr Trez with your " Remove the charcoal filter you gain hp" dam you TREZ it's all your fault 
Look what you started.
Mr Trez with your " Remove the charcoal filter you gain hp" dam you TREZ it's all your fault Look what you started.
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This should be the one and only 63 MOD, NOS!!! I may do this in 08
I think Rick is my new IDOL, and yes its worth it gaining .1 .2 .3.
My car ran a 12.72@111.20
Rick 12.65 @113.44
This was a real nice run and obviously the HRE's and ECU and headers helped but my 6.5 battery and spare removal also helped lighten my car.
Racing is all about closing the gap, and a stock CLS will run 13's @108-109 at California Speedway.
A seasoned driver with tires and ecu and or weight reduction is 12.6-12.8@110-114.
In Sac we will run 12.2-2.5@116-118
For me and Rick its going to be determined by 1/1000th or maybe a few 100ths. My car will not be stock next time I run
The guys on the Oval spend millions for a few tenths..
.5 in the 1/4 mile is worth alot to me, the difference between a 63 and a 550 MSRP? its about .6 in the 1/4 mile and thats what you pay 4(POWER).
I think Rick is my new IDOL, and yes its worth it gaining .1 .2 .3.
My car ran a 12.72@111.20
Rick 12.65 @113.44
This was a real nice run and obviously the HRE's and ECU and headers helped but my 6.5 battery and spare removal also helped lighten my car.
Racing is all about closing the gap, and a stock CLS will run 13's @108-109 at California Speedway.
A seasoned driver with tires and ecu and or weight reduction is 12.6-12.8@110-114.
In Sac we will run 12.2-2.5@116-118
For me and Rick its going to be determined by 1/1000th or maybe a few 100ths. My car will not be stock next time I run
The guys on the Oval spend millions for a few tenths..
.5 in the 1/4 mile is worth alot to me, the difference between a 63 and a 550 MSRP? its about .6 in the 1/4 mile and thats what you pay 4(POWER).
Last edited by juicee63; Nov 8, 2007 at 12:07 AM.
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There is one mod you are missing.
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CLS55 2006, CLS 63S 2015
This should be the one and only 63 MOD, NOS!!! I may do this in 08
I think Rick is my new IDOL, and yes its worth it gaining .1 .2 .3.
My car ran a 12.72@111.20
Rick 12.65 @113.44
This was a real nice run and obviously the HRE's and ECU and headers helped but my 6.5 battery and spare removal also helped lighten my car.
Racing is all about closing the gap, and a stock CLS will run 13's @108-109 at California Speedway.
A seasoned driver with tires and ecu and or weight reduction is 12.6-12.8@110-114.
In Sac we will run 12.2-2.5@116-118
For me and Rick its going to be determined by 1/1000th or maybe a few 100ths. My car will not be stock next time I run
The guys on the Oval spend millions for a few tenths..
.5 in the 1/4 mile is worth alot to me, the difference between a 63 and a 550 MSRP? its about .6 in the 1/4 mile and thats what you pay 4(POWER).
I think Rick is my new IDOL, and yes its worth it gaining .1 .2 .3.
My car ran a 12.72@111.20
Rick 12.65 @113.44
This was a real nice run and obviously the HRE's and ECU and headers helped but my 6.5 battery and spare removal also helped lighten my car.
Racing is all about closing the gap, and a stock CLS will run 13's @108-109 at California Speedway.
A seasoned driver with tires and ecu and or weight reduction is 12.6-12.8@110-114.
In Sac we will run 12.2-2.5@116-118
For me and Rick its going to be determined by 1/1000th or maybe a few 100ths. My car will not be stock next time I run
The guys on the Oval spend millions for a few tenths..
.5 in the 1/4 mile is worth alot to me, the difference between a 63 and a 550 MSRP? its about .6 in the 1/4 mile and thats what you pay 4(POWER).
and how are you getting these figurers
(calculated assumption?)
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Put another way , out of 50 plus passes at California Speedway only 2 runs were sub 12.7 and only one run is 113 plus trap speed.
So a 13 second pass in California at this track is respectable. A 12.7 pass is great and a 12.6 pass is amazing. We shall see if a 12.5 is even possible , it will take great weather and great driving.
Edit: I am mostly seeing CLS 63's so I should clarify. The CLS in general is .1-.3 slower than the E class whether its a 63 or 55. The recent CLS 55 pass has me very optimistic about the CLS and the possibility of keeping pace with the E. Guy hit 12.28@113.98. Once again we see a 113 trap, but this was done at 2500 feet less DA. Hope this helps
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The guys with the "55" engine can get pully upgrades, headers, and ECU tune. I know that most of the tuners will say we will give you "up to XXX horsepower", and that's fine on a "55" engine where the boost could be played with and you can get those magical numbers. With a N/A engine, I have yet to see a tuner give you specifics on a actual horsepower gain +or-!
I really think that there is a lot more horsepower under the hood, but playing with the ECU is the key.
Is there a tuner that will commit to a specific number, or are we just SOL becasue of the work required to get the results? And with all of the tuners out there, for those who have had the experience, which one is trusted the most??
I really think that there is a lot more horsepower under the hood, but playing with the ECU is the key.
Is there a tuner that will commit to a specific number, or are we just SOL becasue of the work required to get the results? And with all of the tuners out there, for those who have had the experience, which one is trusted the most??
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I look at it this way, If I race at the drag strip and wreck my car will my insurance cover it? Maybe maybe not If I blow my motor will MBZ cover it? Maybe maybe not We go to race because we love it, it makes us feel good, we have fun, which is what life is all about. I really don't worry if I'm the fastest or the slowest as long as I get the thrill of the race. If I blow something up I would have a blast putting it back together and I would not want a dealer putting it back together I have said this before "Hey, it's only money" have some fun with it. I will have lots of food and water this time Lets have some fun
If I blow my motor will MBZ cover it? Maybe maybe not We go to race because we love it, it makes us feel good, we have fun, which is what life is all about. I really don't worry if I'm the fastest or the slowest as long as I get the thrill of the race. If I blow something up I would have a blast putting it back together and I would not want a dealer putting it back together I have said this before "Hey, it's only money" have some fun with it. I will have lots of food and water this time Lets have some fun
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LOL, dude you don't want to argue the fine points of stock CLS run times with Juicee. He pretty much wrote the book on the AMG drag racing and I would venture to guess he has the record for the most number of runs on anyone on the board. He's also kept very good track of everyone's numbers so he's not talking out of his ***.
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LOL, dude you don't want to argue the fine points of stock CLS run times with Juicee. He pretty much wrote the book on the AMG drag racing and I would venture to guess he has the record for the most number of runs on anyone on the board. He's also kept very good track of everyone's numbers so he's not talking out of his ***.
Look at the different times and hp numbers you get from the 55k and you can see there are variances.
So calculations are just that and they are not set in stone. You try and get an avrg of what the cars are running and you can kind of give an avrg for what they will run (this changes vastly when you get more cars running and some that get much higher numbers!).
you have some stock cars ruining moded numbers and vis versa and some that claim they are stock, but they aren't
you can search and find things that have a 5 out of 5 review only to see 1 or 2 people reviewed it giving it that number. If it were to have more it would most likely drop due to avrges been taken.
All in all though its nice to know some data
and data changes as it keeps on getting updated
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LOL, dude you don't want to argue the fine points of stock CLS run times with Juicee. He pretty much wrote the book on the AMG drag racing and I would venture to guess he has the record for the most number of runs on anyone on the board. He's also kept very good track of everyone's numbers so he's not talking out of his ***.
I may have some of you already on passes. i got 54 in last time
Dam car guys and thier forums 
