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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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I have a tried and tested longtube header which is now available.. These will come in different varieties, but, this first version is a 1.75" tube design with 32" long primaries (if I remember the length correctly).

I will be making a 1.75" to 1 7/8" stepped header to also test on the heads/cams car to see if there is any more power on the table.

They have a Burns style race merge collector and everything is tig welded.. A 2000F thermobaric coating will be applied to them to keep temps in check (high luster chrome finish).

I will get the details on the before & after dyno and post them for you guys.

I am targetting a price of $2699.

I will do an introductory price of $2499 shipped!

If I can get a good amount of units built, the price will be even cheaper..

Here are a couple of shots of the prototype being built. I value your feedback, so I'd love to hear your thoughts and comments.



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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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Very nice work Victor If I didn't already have the SS longtubes I would be all over these
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 01:37 PM
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Those headers looks like Chris ones...Floored Fabrication...same pics on his site...
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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Thanks!

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Very nice work Victor If I didn't already have the SS longtubes I would be all over these
Chris is doing alot of my fabrication work.. He is making the long tubes, shorties, and in the process of finishing up the front mount intercooler kit (FYI.. front mount kit will be $1499 which includes johnston pump, heat exchanger and all fittings.. The cooler will have the heat dispersement coating applied just like the ones for my Porsche 996 GT2 shown below.



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Those headers looks like Chris ones...Floored Fabrication...same pics on his site...
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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Victor...Is it samular kit as he did before...???

http://www.flooredfab.com/e55koinupkit.html

I have this already he also made oil catcher along with cooling reservour. works well I think and nice design...may be you shold off this as well...but now I moved reservuor futher to the left to fit you CF tube...I dont know why but I can attach the pics now...

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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 02:28 PM
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Thumbs up Nice!

I like the design... I favor long tubes.

Hard to tell from the pictures but the welds on the flanges look a little undercut.

Could the collector be a little larger?

BTW... Are you thinking of doing that HE for the SL also, & will the headers fit the SL?

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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 02:37 PM
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Will the shorties and longtube work with all 55K cars?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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how would these compare to SuperSprint headers ?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 03:15 PM
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I don't see E55 products listed anymore on their site. Does that mean they don't sell direct anymore?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Yup.. Its the same kit.. It was prototyped on Chiromikey's car.

Originally Posted by E55 RUSS
Victor...Is it samular kit as he did before...???

http://www.flooredfab.com/e55koinupkit.html

I have this already he also made oil catcher along with cooling reservour. works well I think and nice design...may be you shold off this as well...but now I moved reservuor futher to the left to fit you CF tube...I dont know why but I can attach the pics now...
We are going to be testing some variations of collector size.. this setup works and works well.. It makes alot of power so we can only improve on what is already there.

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I like the design... I favor long tubes.

Hard to tell from the pictures but the welds on the flanges look a little undercut.

Could the collector be a little larger?

BTW... Are you thinking of doing that HE for the SL also, & will the headers fit the SL?

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The shorties will work on all the cars.. They are 1.75" tubes and made 28rwhp and 30rwtq on the dyno. One of our members; PhilD is running them on his car if I am not mistaken.

I know the design looks like a log style manifold, but the idea was to make something that is very easy to install (2hrs it took) and fits all the 55K cars without taking a ball-pean hammer to the heatshields to knock them into place. And of course, the main goal was to keep all factory emissions equipment in place.

Plus, for $1500 you cant go wrong!!



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Will the shorties and longtube work with all 55K cars?
Only between the hours of 3am and 5am..

Thanks bud!

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how would these compare to SuperSprint headers ?
He is making them for VRP. I will be giving Chris alot of the fab work that I have been farming out to other companies...

He might be doing the E55 TT mockup for me so look for my car in Arizona in the coming months..

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I don't see E55 products listed anymore on their site. Does that mean they don't sell direct anymore?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by vrus
I know the design looks like a log style manifold, but the idea was to make something that is very easy to install (2hrs it took) and fits all the 55K cars without taking a ball-pean hammer to the heatshields to knock them into place. And of course, the main goal was to keep all factory emissions equipment in place.

Plus, for $1500 you cant go wrong!!

How difficult is to install the long tube comparing to the shorties?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vrus
I know the design looks like a log style manifold

Because it is. The dyno graph for these show most of the gains are in the very upper end of the RPM band - not that useful for daily driving. Will/would you replace your current Evosport shorties with these?

It would be interesting to compare dyno graphs of the Evo shorty headers on an otherwise stock car with these on a stock car, but at the end of the day, these don't look to be much more than slightly oversized stock manifolds. I'm rather underwhelmed by these since so much of your other stuff has been comparatively outstanding and unique compared to these. Nonetheless, kudos for keeping the stuff coming!
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 06:27 PM
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Will these work for the 63 ????

If not, what is the latest development on 63 tuning?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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these headers are the best out there....the numbers will show it. his work is impeccable.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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Will these work for the 63 ????

If not, what is the latest development on 63 tuning?
Yeah, I'm most excited about headers for the 63.../anxious.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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Will the long tube headers fit on a CLS 55?? And are there any sign of indicator lights popping up on the dash from the long tubes? Also will the sound level of the car be significantly louder? GREAT work by the way
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 08:47 PM
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yes they will work on the cls55. as far as the code i'm not sure but i do know a lot of people are just having the code turned off on the comp so it doesn't go off. yes it makes it louder but nothing too insane.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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yes they will work on the cls55. as far as the code i'm not sure but i do know a lot of people are just having the code turned off on the comp so it doesn't go off. yes it makes it louder but nothing too insane.
Thanks for the response. I think i'll be getting into some VRP long tube headers very soon then....
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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I'm in my ealry 20's so don't flame me for asking a newb question but.....whats the difference between "shorties" and "long tubes" other than obvious physical appearance?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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I'm in my ealry 20's so don't flame me for asking a newb question but.....whats the difference between "shorties" and "long tubes" other than obvious physical appearance?
No problem, Steve.

Shorties replace the stock exhaust manifold and bolt up to the rest of the exhaust system without modification.

Long tube headers replace the stock exhaust manifold AND a section of the rest of the exhaust system. The primary cats will need to be moved or removed, which makes EPA compliance problematic.

Well designed long tubes will make more horsepower. Shorties are easier to install and don't have EPA issues but make less horsepower.


Victor, looks good!
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:44 PM
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No problem, Steve.

Shorties replace the stock exhaust manifold and bolt up to the rest of the exhaust system without modification.

Long tube headers replace the stock exhaust manifold AND a section of the rest of the exhaust system. The primary cats will need to be moved or removed, which makes EPA compliance problematic.

Well designed long tubes will make more horsepower. Shorties are easier to install and don't have EPA issues but make less horsepower.


Victor, looks good!

Well said.

These longtubes headers look good. Straight, lots of long and straight sections. Not too angular, which is a good thing.
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rbtronnie5
these headers are the best out there....the numbers will show it. his work is impeccable.
I agree, Chris (Floored Fab) is awesome. I can't give him a too high of a recommendation. I drove my SLK32 from the bay area to Phoenix to have headers made and it has turned into a much bigger upgrade including headers, custom exhaust, LSD, cooling kit upgrade with remote reservoir in the trunk, oil catch can, interior leather wrap. I had to drive 700 miles but I think it will turn out to be well worth it. Some links to a few pics. Because the SLK has a very large steering box, he had to come up with a pretty innovative design.

https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...1&d=1194479529
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1194479529
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...4&d=1194479529

Here are a few pics, including the headers and a link to a thread with many more pics.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r170...nterested.html
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveL
I agree, Chris (Floored Fab) is awesome. I can't give him a too high of a recommendation. I drove my SLK32 from the bay area to Phoenix to have headers made and it has turned into a much bigger upgrade including headers, custom exhaust, LSD, cooling kit upgrade with remote reservoir in the trunk, oil catch can, interior leather wrap. I had to drive 700 miles but I think it will turn out to be well worth it. Some links to a few pics. Because the SLK has a very large steering box, he had to come up with a pretty innovative design.

https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...1&d=1194479529
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1194479529
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...4&d=1194479529

Here are a few pics, including the headers and a link to a thread with many more pics.

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r170...nterested.html
would you get that diff done and quit hogging the lift! others need work done too you know!?!?
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Old Nov 7, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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would you get that diff done and quit hogging the lift! others need work done too you know!?!?
You guys crack me up!!! How about saving a little bit for some of the out of town interests....
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