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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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"C" Mode

If you launch in C mode what gear is the tranny starting in? and how much faster in shifting terms is "S" mode? bueller.... bueller..... bueller
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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The tranny will always start in 2nd gear when in C mode and shifting will be a bit more relaxed than S mode. You always want to be on S mode....... much more fun
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
The tranny will always start in 2nd gear when in C mode and shifting will be a bit more relaxed than S mode. You always want to be on S mode....... much more fun
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Old Dec 31, 2007 | 09:44 PM
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I have experimented in all modes, and I can tell you "C" mode is for those rare occasions when Grandparents are driving the Beast. "C" must stand for "Cadillac" as is "it drives like a large 1970'ish Cadillac." "S" is the only option until I reach age 80.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 12:35 AM
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Very important not to cruise the car around in C mode. Too much torque to be starting this 2 ton monster in 2nd gear. Had a guy actually have some tranny problems from it last year.

"No C for You!!!" says the AMG soup ****.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
If you launch in C mode what gear is the tranny starting in? and how much faster in shifting terms is "S" mode? bueller.... bueller..... bueller
I believe it starts in 2nd gear and it's not as fast as S mode.
Correct me if i'm wrong?
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakpro1
Very important not to cruise the car around in C mode. Too much torque to be starting this 2 ton monster in 2nd gear. Had a guy actually have some tranny problems from it last year.

"No C for You!!!" says the AMG soup ****.
Um I have taken it as a habit now to keep it in c mode when I am driving slow n cursing in traffic areas.
also noted when i put my foot down it down shifts from 2nd to first and this is not under full throttle...so

S is nice but it just jumps and screams and tells me to go go go. But I have to break as there is no where to go (traffic)

So ‘C’ helps me enjoy my ride and tell the car to behave and not to get me into evil mode !
‘S’ Evil mode is engaged late at night or on stretchy roads …ahh the sweet sent of rubber

Back topic, C mode starts in 2nd gear (start driving in C mode come to a stop [traffic light] then engage M mode, you will see it will go from 2nd to 1rst gear)
Also shifts end earlier in C mode.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 09:00 AM
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C mode does downshift into 1st gear at WOT.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Timeless
C mode does downshift into 1st gear at WOT.
Yes it does.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 05:37 PM
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So with all that being said when I ran up in Sac all my runs were done in C mode. So is this the reason for my not being able to break into the 11's?
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 05:44 PM
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Probably not. It seems to have little or no effect at WOT. My '06 will immediately go to first and shift near red line even in "C". Maybe there is a little difference, but not much.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
So with all that being said when I ran up in Sac all my runs were done in C mode. So is this the reason for my not being able to break into the 11's?
It certainly could have slowed you down a bit as it would have to shift into 1st from second and the manual says that S mode shifts 30% faster than C mode. M mode shifts 50% faster than C mode, but I think you have to be a computer to shift correctly in M mode.

My two cents.
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Old Jan 1, 2008 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
So with all that being said when I ran up in Sac all my runs were done in C mode. So is this the reason for my not being able to break into the 11's?
It definately slowed you down. Maybe not by 0.35 seconds, but I would say at least by 0.1 seconds if it did extended your shift-speed a little at every gear change.
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
So with all that being said when I ran up in Sac all my runs were done in C mode. So is this the reason for my not being able to break into the 11's?
so let me get this right.
You went to race your car at a drag strip and forgot to engage S mode

or was it a test to se if there was any difference
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Zod
so let me get this right.
You went to race your car at a drag strip and forgot to engage S mode

or was it a test to se if there was any difference
No, when I got ready to run I thinking about the tree & my launch , burnout, turn the ESP off and then I confused myself and remembered someone saying something about comfort mode so I switched it to C mode and left it there all day. The next thing I noticed around 3pm was that I had my suspension setting set to II. I turned it off at that point I finally had the suspension set up right just not the tranny.

Hey it was my 1st time at the drags with my car and for some reason I felt some pressure....maybe it was Adam filming me as I starting to head towards the line. I still ran 3-12.2's and a couple of 12.3 & a couple of 12.4's....not to bad for

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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer Down
No, when I got ready to run I thinking about the tree & my launch , burnout, turn the ESP off and then I confused myself and remembered someone saying something about comfort mode so I switched it to C mode and left it there all day. The next thing I noticed around 3pm was that I had my suspension setting set to II. I turned it off at that point I finally had the suspension set up right just not the tranny.

Hey it was my 1st time at the drags with my car and for some reason I felt some pressure....maybe it was Adam filming me as I starting to head towards the line. I still ran 3-12.2's and a couple of 12.3 & a couple of 12.4's....not to bad for
What people were referring to when they said leave the car on comfort was the suspension. When drag racing, you should always leave the suspension on comfort mode, but keep the transmission on Sport mode.
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MB_Forever
What people were referring to when they said leave the car on comfort was the suspension. When drag racing, you should always leave the suspension on comfort mode, but keep the transmission on Sport mode.
MB_Forever: keeping the suspension on comfort mode seems counter intuitive to me; i.e., it seems doing so would make the ride more "squishy," presumably a bad thing in a 1/4 race. What am I missing?

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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by KrisKeeney
MB_Forever: keeping the suspension on comfort mode seems counter intuitive to me; i.e., it seems doing so would make the ride more "squishy," presumably a bad thing in a 1/4 race. What am I missing?
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I think the sport 1 and sport 2 suspension modes are meant for a race track. They give the car more down force and increased drag in order to make it more sticky around the twisties. In a drag race, you may not need that much stifness and down force since you're only going in a straight line. Also notice that even at the most relaxed mode, the AMG suspension is still stiff enough.

Maybe some of the experts can chime in here for more info.....
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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Question about the suspension manual. Is sport 1 a harder ride than sport 2? I tested both the ride and it seems sp.1 was harder for some reason. When I put it into park and turn off the engine the suspension goes down. Is it supposed to do that? If anything when driveing the suspension should go down no?
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 03:06 PM
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Question about the suspension manual. Is sport 1 a harder ride than sport 2? I tested both the ride and it seems sp.1 was harder for some reason. When I put it into park and turn off the engine the suspension goes down. Is it supposed to do that? If anything when driveing the suspension should go down no?
I'm not really sure, I haven't tested it out...... but I thought sport 2 was stiffer than sport 1
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by eliteamg
Question about the suspension manual. Is sport 1 a harder ride than sport 2? I tested both the ride and it seems sp.1 was harder for some reason. When I put it into park and turn off the engine the suspension goes down. Is it supposed to do that? If anything when driveing the suspension should go down no?
Not sure if I am hearing you correctly, but here is my experience:

1. I thought (still think) the Sport 2 is "stiffer" than Sport 1. I.e. the progression is from "comfort" (softest, or least stiff, really, b/c as MB_Forever correctly points out, even in "comfort" our cars are tight (correctly so, IMO), then to "Sport 1" (middle), and then "Sport 2" for tightest ride. This is the protocol I have been going by for years, at various stages of my driving, and the feel of the rides appear to correlate: Comfort for highway, Sport 1 normal around town, and then Sport 2 for .......um....shall we say "assertive" driving.

2. suspension moving up and down: I use the "rise suspension" feature quite often, as I frequent a country home that has gravel/mud, etc. While sitting still, I experiment/play with the feature, and can actually see it rise and fall, though the movement in total appears to be an inch or so.

I think, think, that the computer adjusts (dynamically, on the fly) the height of the shocks, depending on your type of driving at any particular moment.

One more than one occasion, after forgetting to turn off the "rise suspension" button, once I got to a certain higher speed, the computer tells me it is automatically lowering the suspension b/c I am going faster than the higher suspension warrants.

And, it might be that the "rest" position is the lower suspension.

I am rambling a bit, but what I am trying to say is that the suspension adjustments seem to be quite broad ranging, and computer automatic.

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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KrisKeeney
Not sure if I am hearing you correctly, but here is my experience:

1. I thought (still think) the Sport 2 is "stiffer" than Sport 1. I.e. the progression is from "comfort" (softest, or least stiff, really, b/c as MB_Forever correctly points out, even in "comfort" our cars are tight (correctly so, IMO), then to "Sport 1" (middle), and then "Sport 2" for tightest ride. This is the protocol I have been going by for years, at various stages of my driving, and the feel of the rides appear to correlate: Comfort for highway, Sport 1 normal around town, and then Sport 2 for .......um....shall we say "assertive" driving.
I think you are correct. Although I've never tested driving around in sport 2 vs sport 1, but it seems logical that it goes from the least stiff to the most stiff in an ordered progression. So comfort being the least stiff, then sport 1 is stiffer, then sport 2 is stiffest or hardest ride (mostly for track use I would assume).
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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The suspension does indeed lower itself when reaching a certain speed (60-70 MPH I believe) and cancels the raising feature also at that speed.

I believe the car does lower itself when turned off and raises when turned on.
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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North Jersey roads are not the best around so I always drive in C mode. I would like to drive w. S mode constantly but I feel the ride is too bumpy and puts stress on the car. At high speeds wouldn't it be better to be on a stiffer suspension rather than soft?
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Old Jan 2, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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leaving it comfort suspension i heard also also allows the weight to shift to over the rear wheels faster and provide better traction
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