** Evosport 63-Series Development Progress **
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Renntech does not offer a long tube header for the 63 that I am aware of anyway. Maybe they are working on one, but as of a couple weeks ago all they had to offer was the shorty system. I have seen some dyno figures on their shorty headers and to say I was not impressed would be an understatement. The dyno sheet I saw showed a gain of only 23HP with the shorty headers and ECU. The reason I am on top of this is because a guy here in Chicago that I have been talking to is keeping an eye on my Evosport build and the 63 Renntech is currently working on so he can decide where he wants to get his work done.
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I'm not doubting the HP gains,long tube vs shorty is no contest.My question was whether Evosport was going to price these components outrageously like Renntech.Hopefully not as I would like to mod my 63 but not for the cost of a small car
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I would contact Brad or Bob at Evosport directly for prices, I think you will be pleasently suprised at their prices and more importantly the overall quality. I spoke with both Renntech and Evosport for a several weeks before finally making a decision to go with Evosport. I am very happy to say I made the right decision, and I would recomend that you do the same if you are interested in doing some mods to your 63. Furthermore Renntech started work on a CLK 63 Black Series about the same time as Evosport started on mine. Mine will be done tomorrow with around 60HP more than I started with. I have been following the Renntech project car just out of curiosity and peace of mind and to date they have made 23HP. The choice should be simple. If you would like to PM me I would be more than happy to give you my number should you want to talk in further detail.
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I think Oldgixxer meant Brabus not RennTech. I know Brabus has long-tube headers + ECU package for the 63, and they claim it adds 55 HP but the price is out there $15k
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ones too fast according to CHP!
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BTW, it is 56whp, 65crank hp. Just to be clear.
And we believe we have now made an additional mod that is worth at least another 10whp.
The header is not $11,000 though. It is substantially less, but still expensive.
Software and header will be much less then the 15K number. Plus we have a few other mods that will get us close or all the way to the 500whp mark!
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ones too fast according to CHP!
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Brad,thanx for the detailed explanation much appreciated;I agree with your reasoning.I know all too well how difficult it is to weld pipe,I do that for a living and can appreciate the crafstmanship&skill involved with a Tig torch.However,thats too expensive for my budget.
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ones too fast according to CHP!
And now..... final dyno numbers as delivered:
![](http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/mercedes/w209/clk63BS_js/evosport_clk63bs_comparo.jpg)
There is more to be had on the top end, but we ran out of time. The next one we will get some more!!!!!!
Here is the car hitting 200 on the dyno - YOUTUBE LINK 1 and YOUTUBE LINK 2
Thanks for all that followed this build!
![](http://www.evosport.com/public/customer_cars/mercedes/w209/clk63BS_js/evosport_clk63bs_comparo.jpg)
There is more to be had on the top end, but we ran out of time. The next one we will get some more!!!!!!
Here is the car hitting 200 on the dyno - YOUTUBE LINK 1 and YOUTUBE LINK 2
Thanks for all that followed this build!
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ones too fast according to CHP!
ha ha - good catch. Not yet. Sadly in the ever competitive world of tuning, people are cut-throat. Giving the A/F right now would be giving too many clues to our competition. We and Powerchip have way too much R&D invested right now to give it away. After we do a few more cars and the magazine article comes out, I will post much more info.
Notice smoothing though - 0. That should tell you a lot about the tune.![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Notice smoothing though - 0. That should tell you a lot about the tune.
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thanks for understanding,
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Ah, when you can, I would like to see how the TQ curve is also. As we all know, power sells cars, but torque wins races.
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E63 P30, CL500 Sport
ha ha - good catch. Not yet. Sadly in the ever competitive world of tuning, people are cut-throat. Giving the A/F right now would be giving too many clues to our competition. We and Powerchip have way too much R&D invested right now to give it away. After we do a few more cars and the magazine article comes out, I will post much more info.
Notice smoothing though - 0. That should tell you a lot about the tune.![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Notice smoothing though - 0. That should tell you a lot about the tune.
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1) How much gains can be expected from headers and X-Pipe only (no software tuning)?
2) What is the Airbox mod? Is it bigger air boxes? If so, how much is it and what are the expected gains would be from: headers + xpipe + airbox?
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I am drooling in anticipation of seeing the A/F and torque plot.
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a car that gets very poor gas mileage.
It's too bad there wasn't a post-tune dyno performed with everything except the Dymag's. I'd like to see just how much HP those wheels unleashed.
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ones too fast according to CHP!
wheels = ~15-20whp based on calculations on this car and experience on other cars, including McLaren's own testing on SLR.
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