Stock comparison 55 vs 63 1/4 mile
03-15-2008, 03:57 PM
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Some of these 55 owners are a sensitive bunch. They just can't face the reality that there is a new king of the mountain lurking around the next corner. They had to know this day was fast approaching. At one point in time my 1995 M3 was one of the baddest pieces of machinery you could buy, but now it is just a pathetic, excuse of a car compared to the newer M3's. Hell, I think a new Honda Accord can out perform my 95 M3. Times change, it's a reality, and in 4-5 years, if not sooner there will be something out there that will make the 63's look like a joke...it's called progress, and if the car companies where not always raising the bar, we would be complaining about that, wouldn't we?
03-15-2008, 05:03 PM
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so now we know the E55 is .43 faster than the E63 LOL, its funny.
You guys dont want me to post , Im out of here. Bye. I will see you guys on the track and make it known there no need to waste everyone's time.
This is my last post on MBWORLD BYE guys, best wishes.
03-15-2008, 05:04 PM
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Not meant to start anything, those are harmless, honest words. Please don't take them the wrong way. I am simply stating that times change, like it or not! Regardless of if you are talking about cars, or computers or HDTV's, or whatever. Tomorrow, or the next day or the next week there is going to be something that is better out there.
03-15-2008, 05:11 PM
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Juicee don't go after 3700+ posts!
We've all seen our share of debate and internet-bravado. Shame to lose a contributing member over a RECOUNT. The 55/63/M5 wars are what makes life interesting.
03-15-2008, 05:21 PM
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Cool. Thanks for doing the math,
so now we know the E55 is .43 faster than the E63 LOL, its funny.
You guys dont want me to post , Im out of here. Bye. I will see you guys on the track and make it known there no need to waste everyone's time.
This is my last post on MBWORLD BYE guys, best wishes.
so now we know the E55 is .43 faster than the E63 LOL, its funny.
You guys dont want me to post , Im out of here. Bye. I will see you guys on the track and make it known there no need to waste everyone's time.
This is my last post on MBWORLD BYE guys, best wishes.
03-15-2008, 05:32 PM
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Cool. Thanks for doing the math,
so now we know the E55 is .43 faster than the E63 LOL, its funny.
You guys dont want me to post , Im out of here. Bye. I will see you guys on the track and make it known there no need to waste everyone's time.
This is my last post on MBWORLD BYE guys, best wishes.
so now we know the E55 is .43 faster than the E63 LOL, its funny.
You guys dont want me to post , Im out of here. Bye. I will see you guys on the track and make it known there no need to waste everyone's time.
This is my last post on MBWORLD BYE guys, best wishes.
We all know that the E63 is just as fast as the E55, so take another Ativan and relax.
03-15-2008, 07:41 PM
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Not meant to start anything, those are harmless, honest words. Please don't take them the wrong way. I am simply stating that times change, like it or not! Regardless of if you are talking about cars, or computers or HDTV's, or whatever. Tomorrow, or the next day or the next week there is going to be something that is better out there.
03-15-2008, 08:12 PM
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Or to make things easier, take the top 10 E55 runs in the west coast and compare them to the top 10 E63 runs in the west coast
03-15-2008, 08:24 PM
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Juicee, don't leave old friend! I just wish this thing would go way between the 55 & 63. Everybody loves their ride so let's just get along as Rodney King once said during the LA riots. Come back old friend!
03-15-2008, 08:36 PM
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Actually, using the same argument, those numbers would be off as well. Most of the top E55 runs are taken from east coast areas while most of the top E63 runs are taken from west coast. To make the numbers truely representative, we need to take 5 stock E55s and 5 stock E63 to the same track and have one driver make 3 runs in each car, then average out the numbers for each group.
Or to make things easier, take the top 10 E55 runs in the west coast and compare them to the top 10 E63 runs in the west coast
Or to make things easier, take the top 10 E55 runs in the west coast and compare them to the top 10 E63 runs in the west coast
The goal of my post was only to induce Juciee to show me ten statistical charts, fifteen videos and twelve dynos of why the 63 rules. The truth is, I love the Juice's passion and I enjoy his presence on our forum. I did not realize that Juciee was at his breaking point.
03-15-2008, 08:57 PM
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Yeah, yeah, I know. The goal of my post was only to induce Juciee to show me ten statistical charts, fifteen videos and twelve dynos of why the 63 rules.
The truth is, I love the Juice's passion and I enjoy his presence on our forum. I did not realize that Juciee was at his breaking point.
The goal of my post was only to induce Juciee to show me ten statistical charts, fifteen videos and twelve dynos of why the 63 rules. The truth is, I love the Juice's passion and I enjoy his presence on our forum. I did not realize that Juciee was at his breaking point.
Juicee, I hope you read this and realize everybody on here loves you and we need your presence on the board
03-15-2008, 09:15 PM
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Juicee is a very fun person, and I truely enjoy getting together with him on the track (and off). He has this great passion for racing and for all high performance cars whether AMGs or not; a passion that he likes to share and spread to other car enthusiasts. And although he holds great respect for many members on this forum, too many people (not you specifically) have trash-talked his 63 and his efforts too many times. Every couple of weeks, a newbie will come on here trash-talk the 63 and start this discussion all over again. Yet time after time, he took everybody's point under consideration, tried to incorporate it on the track, and he constantly tried to expand and grow his knowledge of both cars every single day. He raced his 63 in almost every track available to him here on the west coast and collected as much data possible to share with you guys in an effort to show that the 63 is as fast as the 55 and that weather conditions made most impact between a 63 running 13.0 seconds and a 63 running 11.9 seconds. But more importantly, he tried to demonstrate that the two AMGs were indeed very close in performance and that the 63 was as much fun to race as the E55, but I guess after a while he just got worn down after so many attacks over and over again.
Juicee, I hope you read this and realize everybody on here loves you and we need your presence on the board
Juicee, I hope you read this and realize everybody on here loves you and we need your presence on the board
He is the sole reason my E63 was featured on Dragtimes,he has had an ongoing rapport with the owner of that site(who happens to own an 11sec E55) and has put the 63 on the performance map.
Take a break Josh,I know how ya feel....
03-15-2008, 11:58 PM
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Juicee, let me throw you a line here.
Given that there are so many more E55 runs than E63 runs, it's not statistically valid to compare the top 10 runs for each car. It would be much more valid to compare, say, the top 10% of E55 runs to the top 10% of E63 runs.
Given that there are so many more E55 runs than E63 runs, it's not statistically valid to compare the top 10 runs for each car. It would be much more valid to compare, say, the top 10% of E55 runs to the top 10% of E63 runs.
03-16-2008, 01:47 AM
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What most of the 55k group is implying i think is that the 63 is not a power hick over a 55k and getting the same performance or less for more money does not make sense to them.
But the progress is goowwwd
come back juicy! and who knows this new gear box might be what you are looking for! AMG engine with AMG gear box!
03-16-2008, 12:52 PM
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Juicee -
If you had said in your original post -
"I took the top 10 recorded times on dragtimes for E63's and for E55's and averaged them out. They include multiple runs for the same cars, so this isn't really the best times for 10 different cars. It is an interesting comparison."
That would be one thing.
But you make a declarative statement, WITH NO EXPLANATION, and leave it at that. Extremely misleading. When asked, you reveal how you got there. And it takes all of three seconds to realize that the comparison isn't really a comparison. It is an average of the top 10 timeslips, including multiple runs by the same cars. Not anything close to a "true statistical comparison".
My example is simple - If I took my top 10 time slips, sent them to Fikse to post on drag times, and then averaged out those top ten times, I could replace your original post with what turns out to be MY average (but not tell anyone they are all from my car), and call it the average of the top 10 runs for E55's. Heck, I will throw out my 11.775 run and add my 11th best slip - an 11.836 @ 118.54 - to the mix. The average would still be an 11.82 something.
Again - the "comparison" of who has the most slips posted on dragtimes, isn't really a comparison of best times. To suggest otherwise is, imo, highly misleading.
You are doing wonderful things to create enthusiasm for taking AMG's to the track, and we all share with you your desire to find every hundreth of a second. And I am not trying to take anything away from Gixxer and Venom and their runs.
But you are taking the shine off of your own accomplishments when you do something like this because it is obviously misleading. And I am certain that I am not the only one who sees it that way. Sorry to sound harsh.
If you had said in your original post -
"I took the top 10 recorded times on dragtimes for E63's and for E55's and averaged them out. They include multiple runs for the same cars, so this isn't really the best times for 10 different cars. It is an interesting comparison."
That would be one thing.
But you make a declarative statement, WITH NO EXPLANATION, and leave it at that. Extremely misleading. When asked, you reveal how you got there. And it takes all of three seconds to realize that the comparison isn't really a comparison. It is an average of the top 10 timeslips, including multiple runs by the same cars. Not anything close to a "true statistical comparison".
My example is simple - If I took my top 10 time slips, sent them to Fikse to post on drag times, and then averaged out those top ten times, I could replace your original post with what turns out to be MY average (but not tell anyone they are all from my car), and call it the average of the top 10 runs for E55's. Heck, I will throw out my 11.775 run and add my 11th best slip - an 11.836 @ 118.54 - to the mix. The average would still be an 11.82 something.
Again - the "comparison" of who has the most slips posted on dragtimes, isn't really a comparison of best times. To suggest otherwise is, imo, highly misleading.
You are doing wonderful things to create enthusiasm for taking AMG's to the track, and we all share with you your desire to find every hundreth of a second. And I am not trying to take anything away from Gixxer and Venom and their runs.
But you are taking the shine off of your own accomplishments when you do something like this because it is obviously misleading. And I am certain that I am not the only one who sees it that way. Sorry to sound harsh.
After looking again, and doing alot of thinking. I find it absurd that a person claiming to be 100% Bone Stock is running a NON -OEM tire, wider and softer and then claiming "BONE STOCK".
Sorry Enzom,
YOU ARE NOT STOCK,
I will no longer even consider your times when doing the stock comparisons.
Your car, when it runs 11.775 with the 265's only then should it be considered stock on dragtimes.
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03-16-2008, 01:05 PM
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in all fairness, at least enzom has never hidden the fact that he was on ps2's. lets not worry about this and just have fun.
i'm glad to have you back josh!
i'm glad to have you back josh!
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03-16-2008, 01:38 PM
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One post per car is all that should be allowed, your fastest stock, modded and nos run if spraying is all the info you need.
Fiske you listening.
03-16-2008, 01:45 PM
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03-16-2008, 01:53 PM
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Agreed, but still does not qualify as a stock pass. Once again hard to do analysis when cars listed as stock are not stock
03-16-2008, 01:54 PM
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Good point.
Im sure I could have done a more thorough comparison but it was simple enough. It made both cars look way too fast...LOL
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03-16-2008, 02:03 PM
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I think oldgixxer's 63 has proven that on the same track with very good weather both cars are high 11 sec rides.
My opinion on the matter has definitely changed, the 63 and 55's are very close. Juice has definitely contributed to that and is an asset to MBworld.
PS Juice, I thought you had thicker skin bro.
My opinion on the matter has definitely changed, the 63 and 55's are very close. Juice has definitely contributed to that and is an asset to MBworld.
PS Juice, I thought you had thicker skin bro.
03-16-2008, 02:13 PM
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I think oldgixxer's 63 has proven that on the same track with very good weather both cars are high 11 sec rides.
My opinion on the matter has definitely changed, the 63 and 55's are very close. Juice has definitely contributed to that and is an asset to MBworld.
PS Juice, I thought you had thicker skin bro.
My opinion on the matter has definitely changed, the 63 and 55's are very close. Juice has definitely contributed to that and is an asset to MBworld.
PS Juice, I thought you had thicker skin bro.
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03-16-2008, 05:19 PM
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I agree with Juicee on this...... Enzom's car should NOT be considered 100% stock. Maybe 98% stock, but just NOT 100% stock. I've said this before, but people have ignored it.
Don't get me wrong, I honestly believe that his car is one of the fastest E55s ever made, and that his times are also due to his superior launching skills, but I also believe that if he would've been running on stock conti tires, he would be in the 11.9s to 12.0s just like Oldgixxer.
I am very sure that if Oldgixxer would've used Michelin PS2 instead of the stock continentals, and also used wider tires in the rear (275 instead of 265), then he could've dropped his time by at least 0.1 seconds. So, the 11.95 would've been at least 11.85 seconds.
Don't get me wrong, I honestly believe that his car is one of the fastest E55s ever made, and that his times are also due to his superior launching skills, but I also believe that if he would've been running on stock conti tires, he would be in the 11.9s to 12.0s just like Oldgixxer.
I am very sure that if Oldgixxer would've used Michelin PS2 instead of the stock continentals, and also used wider tires in the rear (275 instead of 265), then he could've dropped his time by at least 0.1 seconds. So, the 11.95 would've been at least 11.85 seconds.
03-16-2008, 06:26 PM
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I'm friends with both Lorenzo&Josh & I respect BOTH of you very much.PLEASE PLEASE lets not get into this,enuff drama here lately
03-16-2008, 06:35 PM
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Just cars, dudes. Just cars.
