h0an9

Wanted to know if anyone has any additional info or connections regarding this setup for our cars. I've looked into this for awhile and talked to the Executive Director for Endless USA who recently came out with Ewig brand for euro market. As you can image these aren't cheap $10k for the front setup, and they offer a kit with this 12 piston and your choice of 4 pot racing or 6 pot rear calipers for more money. Being a Honda tuner in my younger years I love Japanese products for there quality and engineering. Would love to have these awesome looking caliper for my E55. I was able to convince the Executive Director to give me better pricing, but still no where close to what I wanted to spend without knowing what the performance upgrade would be like. Wonder what a group buy would do if anything.

Link and pics below

http://www.endless-sport.co.jp/ewig/...ton/index.html

Zod

nice brakes...but do you need them?
i find my brakes to be quite good to be honest.
Also i like the mat black color on your car looks sick, saw a GT40 here yesterday with it on and it was sick, went closer to it to find out it was a full body sticker..still looked good though!

h0an9

Under normal driving they are perfect no real complaints. I've taken this car somewhere around 155mph or so a few times, felt it was a bit scketchy slowing it down under hard braking. Feels like the brake are inadequate for a car of this weight and power or capable speed. Just my opinion, maybe I'm just use to driving in lighter Hondas and not accustomed to it. "Stopping on a dime" wouldn't be how I would describe the stopping power of this car. Whats everyone's opinion?

h0an9

JAYCL600

those aftermarket brakes will not necessarily make your car stop in a shorter distance. I can assure you your brakes are more then adequate for any street driving. If you are on a road course or autocrossed it would be a different story. I have 4 piston c-class calipers on my cl600 and they stop me from multiple 180+ runs

jrcart

They are correct, your factory calipers should be more than sufficiant, unless you are doing A LOT of hard track days with excessivly long stints on track. There are a number of ways you can improve your factory brakes at a fraction of the cost of new calipers. I would first install some steel brake lines, this will improve and nearly eliminate any fade you be experiencing due to heat and expansion of your stock rubber lines, this is pretty inexpensive, a few hundred dollars. Next I would look into replacing the rotars with lighter weight multi-piece, cross drilled and/or slotted rotars, you MAY even be able to go a few mm larger in diameter (I'm not that familar with the E class brakes, so don't hold me to that). Finally, I would invest in better pads all the way around, be sure to pick a compound that will suit your drving style. Don't go with a set of all out race pads because you will never get them up to proper operating temp under normal street driving conditions. Some other things that will help your braking will be lighter weight wheels and to always make sure your tires are equally and properly inflated.

That being said, if you just have to have the new calipers (they are cool looking), make sure you do all of the above, because the best calipers in the world are useless once your brakelines expand and your pedal gets mushy.

Just my 2 pennies worth.

SSM AMG

Nice looking big brake kit, I would love to see something like that on my car. But like the other post stated the brakes we had on the car is more than adequate.

MRAMG1

WAY over kill my friend. Most racing bodies have cut back on pistons, in thier brakes, because they found the return wasn't worth it. First of all they WEIGH MORE, and second the complexity of them leads to problems. Just about ALL sanction racing bodies use 6 piston calipers, some 8.

As for street cars, take a look at the Vette, a very simple, FADE FREE TRACK CAR, and guess what, they are NO where near 12 pistons. I ran 4 psiton 13" front 2 psiton 12" rear on my race car, and NEVER experianced any brake fade on a road course.

And was stated above, STOCK AMG brakes are NO light weights by ANY means. They are GREAT brakes. Spend your $10K elsewhere and you will be ALOT happier.

See yeah

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

This setup is just hubris, there's no need for 12 piston calipers unless you're running an endurance race. Replacing your calipers with "better" ones won't necessarily shorten your braking distance. There are a lot of factors that go into braking distances, weight and balance mean a lot. Like a previous poster said steel braided brake lines are a good idea for response but I don't know how much they help on a "brake by wire" setup. Pedal feel-wise there should be no difference in a brake by wire system.

What these calipers would prevent is excessive fade, but I don't think many people here experience that. Ceramic is the way to go if you're dropping a ton of coin, more pistons do not make your car stop shorter, otherwise M cars wouldn't still rock single-piston units.

h0an9

All good points. I guess it wouldn't hurt, and a heck of a lot cheaper to try brake lines, rotors and pads first. Anyone know with Brembos Big Brake Kit you can use or just buy the adapter to use the larger 380mm floating rotors from their kit? Wonder if it'll bolt up correctly.

ThisFlyGuy

damn, 10k for just fronts...

i think your amg brakes should be adequate for normal driving conditions
(those brakes are way better than many of the other stock brakes out there)

BenzoBoi

I have a friend who is pretty close with some guys from Endless and I was offered this set up a while back...unfortunately the "hook-up" price like you said was still too rich for my blood...

Endless does make some awesome products...

Mr. Vanos

Why would you spend $10k on these when Rotora has an 8 and a 12 piston setup for this car and the 12-piston 405mm (16") setup RETAILS for $4,595!

I agree 12-piston is overkill (I have 12-piston on my M5), but the 8-piston would be a nice upgrade from the AMG setup. I've driven the Rotora 8-piston setup on an E55 and it is night and day compared to stock. Here's a shot of the 8-piston:









And look at this gorgeous 12-piston caliper...LOVE the finish!

DynamicMotoring

I had that same setup on my H2. I can tell you that it made a hell of a difference in stopping power, especially with 28" wheels and over 400lbs of extra audio equipment.

Mr. Vanos

That's one vehicle where 12-pistons are NOT overkill!