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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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2008 M3 vs 2004 E55???

My friend ordered the new M3 coupe and he swears that hes gonna smoke me which I of course disagreed with him. The the E55 has 55 hp more and tons of more torque more. I would think the power the E has makes up for the less weight the M3 has. Opinion's ????
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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It will be close to about 100mph but after that you should have him.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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It will be close to about 100mph but after that you should have him.
I suspect you will have no problems at all.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:36 PM
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It won't even be close. E55 is an M5 competitor, it will destroy the lowly M3 at any speed. Is your friend claiming that his lowly M3 is as fast as M5 now? Keep in mind that E55 actually has 500hp, it is underrated from factory.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:42 PM
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Well he thinks the 0-60 on his new M3 is 4.1 and says the E55 is 4.3 and i think hes just very excited hes getting a new car.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
Well he thinks the 0-60 on his new M3 is 4.1 and says the E55 is 4.3 and i think hes just very excited hes getting a new car.
The 0-62 time for the new M3 is 4.8. This certainly does not equate to a 0-60 time of 4.1!
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 06:56 PM
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 07:07 PM
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An M3 shouldn't be too much of a problem for you.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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I really don't think an M3 is "lowly" at all,it's a awesome car....

If you were to start in "C" mode you will still have no problems whatsoever taking his M3 out in a straightline.

Ask him if he wants to run an E63 instead since they are alot slower then the E55
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by oldgixxer
I really don't think an M3 is "lowly" at all,it's a awesome car....

If you were to start in "C" mode you will still have no problems whatsoever taking his M3 out in a straightline.

Ask him if he wants to run an E63 instead since they are alot slower then the E55
ahahahah ok well when i tell him about my feedback in the forum hes gonna get so upset lol.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 07:59 PM
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Just make a simple bet. If he loses he has to pay for dinner at his favorite place to eat. Then every time he returns there he will remember losing to the mighty E55.
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 09:42 PM
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 10:21 PM
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Just make a simple bet. If he loses he has to pay for dinner at his favorite place to eat. Then every time he returns there he will remember losing to the mighty E55.
Perfect....
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Old Apr 20, 2008 | 10:22 PM
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 12:59 AM
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Keep in mind that E55 actually has 500hp, it is underrated from factory.
wwwhahttt??? that's news to me. Anybody care to elaborate?
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by oldgixxer
I really don't think an M3 is "lowly" at all,it's a awesome car....

If you were to start in "C" mode you will still have no problems whatsoever taking his M3 out in a straightline.

Ask him if he wants to run an E63 instead since they are alot slower then the E55
wtf is C mode? What's S mode? What's M mode? I dont even know.. I should break open the manual...
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 01:33 AM
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wtf is C mode? What's S mode? What's M mode? I dont even know.. I should break open the manual...
You should know these things, bad Godfather

C for Comfort Mode: starts off in 2nd gear and shifts earlier for smoother shifting

S for Sport Mode: starts off in 1st gear and shifts further down in the RPM band

M is Manual: You choose when it shifts, it should bounce off the rev limiter if you hit the red line (i know it does in the 63's, can someone clarify if it upshifts on redline)

Keep in mind the computer learns your shifting habits and adjusts the shift points of C and S mode.

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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 02:05 AM
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Ohhh ok, alright, that's what I thought I need to reset my ECU too so that the computer learns my driving...
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by E55AMGGG04
My friend ordered the new M3 coupe and he swears that hes gonna smoke me which I of course disagreed with him. The the E55 has 55 hp more and tons of more torque more. I would think the power the E has makes up for the less weight the M3 has. Opinion's ????
Well all I have to offer is a few mag results, but most of them say you should own him.

BMW M3 Limousine 6-Gang E90 - 2008 (Serie)
Motorart V 8 Benziner
Hubraum 3999 ccm
Aufladung Sauger/Euro 4
PS - UMin 420 PS (309 kW) - 8300/min
Nm - UMin 400 Nm - 3900/min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 6/manuell
Test in sport auto 04/2008
Gewicht 1648 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,7 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,9 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 8,4 s
0 - 160 km/h 10,4 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,3 s
0 - 200 km/h 16,3 s

Motorart V 8 Benziner
Hubraum 3999 ccm
Aufladung Sauger/Euro 4
PS - UMin 420 PS (309 kW) - 8300/min
Nm - UMin 400 Nm - 3900/min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 6/manuell
Test in Auto Zeitung 04/2008
Gewicht 1655 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,8 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,0 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 8,4 s
0 - 160 km/h 10,3 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,1 s
0 - 200 km/h 15,9 s

Mercedes E55 AMG - 2003 (Serie)


Motorart V 8
Hubraum 5439 ccm
Aufladung Kompressor
PS - UMin 476 PS - 6100/Min
Nm - UMin 700 Nm - 2650/Min
Motorlage/Antrieb Frontmotor/Heck
Gänge/Schaltung 5/Automatik
Test in sport auto 01/2003
Gewicht 1944 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 5,9 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,6 s
0 - 160 km/h 9,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 12,2 s
0 - 200 km/h 14,6 s

Motorart V 8
Hubraum 5439 ccm
Aufladung Kompressor
PS - UMin 476 PS (350 kW) - 6100/Min
Nm - UMin 700 Nm - 2650/Min
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Gänge/Schaltung 5/Automatik
Test in sport auto 11/2005
Gewicht 1953 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,3 s
0 - 100 km/h 4,7 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,1 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 7,8 s
0 - 160 km/h 10,0 s
0 - 180 km/h 12,6 s
0 - 200 km/h 15,3 s

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...2003134349.pdf

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf

Caranddriver:
E55
0 to 60 in 4.3 seconds, 0 to 100 in 9.9, 0 to 150 in 24.5, and the quarter in 12.5 seconds at 116 mph.

M3
4.3, 9.8, 24.3 12.8@113 respectively

Remember that E55 does these figures every time (automtic), in a M3 (manual) this is with optimal gear change (which atleast in my case is often not optimal)

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Originally Posted by Murtaza
You should know these things, bad Godfather

C for Comfort Mode: starts off in 2nd gear and shifts earlier for smoother shifting

S for Sport Mode: starts off in 1st gear and shifts further down in the RPM band

M is Manual: You choose when it shifts, it should bounce off the rev limiter if you hit the red line (i know it does in the 63's, can someone clarify if it upshifts on redline)

Keep in mind the computer learns your shifting habits and adjusts the shift points of C and S mode.
I think the tranny S mode doesnt necessarily always start in 1st, if ECU is not reset (rolling feg.) Just to be safe I always select 1 gear in S mode and let the car shift for itself.

And there is also the debate about what chassis adjustment to have. Some say C mode, but I get best results with Sport 1. However I have no drag experiences like many of those who suggest c mode...

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I drove the new M3 last week, and let me tell you that it has ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE against any E55. It is not remotely as fast as some of the reviewers would have you think and with the 6-speed you have to be PERFECT with shifts, not to mention that the gearbox itself is almost incompatible with that 8200rpm redline.

Put money on the race, your buddy doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
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I drove the new M3 last week, and let me tell you that it has ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE against any E55. It is not remotely as fast as some of the reviewers would have you think and with the 6-speed you have to be PERFECT with shifts, not to mention that the gearbox itself is almost incompatible with that 8200rpm redline.

Put money on the race, your buddy doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell.
The Poser Disposer has spoken. Its apples and oranges and IMO. Watch youself gain weight from the dinner you win as his headlights (albeit very nice looking ones) dissappear in your mirror.
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Old Apr 21, 2008 | 11:13 AM
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M3? Freinds don't let freinds drive M3s.

Take his, money and pride. Send him an AMG key chain.



I can hear it now "BUT IN THE TWISTIES"
I will say that the little thing is absolutely ridiculous in the twisties, but not surprisingly it is really gutless outside of the powerband.
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