Racing @ New England Dragway Wed. Sept. 10th
09-11-2008, 11:04 AM
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That is truely the best way to do it. The only people that will show up are the people you want to show up since you will have the track to yourself. Run whenever you feel like it and as many times as you want, its awesome! I hate test and tunes
09-11-2008, 11:09 AM
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Dan,
It was a pleasure to meet you last night. We will have to do it again real soon but with far less cars at the track. Maybe we should look into going during the day and spend the $100 to have the track to ourselves and others for test and tuning. Zach swears the track is well prepped and noone shows up. Let's wait for a really cool afternoon, 50-55 degrees and DO IT. I will be checking the weather from now till the end of October to get that "perfect day".
BTW, you 63 is an awesome machine..........Good going last night!!!!
It was a pleasure to meet you last night. We will have to do it again real soon but with far less cars at the track. Maybe we should look into going during the day and spend the $100 to have the track to ourselves and others for test and tuning. Zach swears the track is well prepped and noone shows up. Let's wait for a really cool afternoon, 50-55 degrees and DO IT. I will be checking the weather from now till the end of October to get that "perfect day".
BTW, you 63 is an awesome machine..........Good going last night!!!!
09-11-2008, 11:20 AM
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I think I am done with Street Nights. Just too many cars that should not even be there (ie.. 13.5 sec. ET's) and they eat the shieat out of the track. I will post up next time it looks favorable for a track "Test Session" during the daytime.
09-11-2008, 11:31 AM
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Not to mention the track is typically more forgiving as far as tech is concerned during rentals.
09-11-2008, 11:39 AM
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Track Rentals
Just got off the phone with the track. Here is the scoop.
Each Wednesday very serious racers show up for the track. For $105, you get to run from 1-4PM and the track is very, very well prepped. Compound (VHT) is applied to the entire track. We have to sign up by calling in advance, even up to Wed. morning. Roughly 30 cars will show up each week so you can see that the track won't get much use not like street nights.
So we have 7 Wednesday's left, so all of you who are interested and have raced here before. Let me know your preference and we can try to set something up on a Wednesday. Let's stop waisting time on Street Nights and start using track rental Wednesdays instead.
Much better chance of breaking records and having a sticky track. I am starting to believe that a sticky track will outweigh the benefit of an extra 500ft of Density Altitude and a shiety track abused by street night.
Each Wednesday very serious racers show up for the track. For $105, you get to run from 1-4PM and the track is very, very well prepped. Compound (VHT) is applied to the entire track. We have to sign up by calling in advance, even up to Wed. morning. Roughly 30 cars will show up each week so you can see that the track won't get much use not like street nights.
So we have 7 Wednesday's left, so all of you who are interested and have raced here before. Let me know your preference and we can try to set something up on a Wednesday. Let's stop waisting time on Street Nights and start using track rental Wednesdays instead.
Much better chance of breaking records and having a sticky track. I am starting to believe that a sticky track will outweigh the benefit of an extra 500ft of Density Altitude and a shiety track abused by street night.
09-11-2008, 11:53 AM
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It was a great run, I was lucky enough to be staging directly behind you. Nice job.
My best run was my second to last run (out of 4 total):
RT .232
60' 1.969
MPH 115
1/4 12.6
I'll let the other guys post their numbers, they were slighty better, with the best being the stock E55 that did 12.4. It was another nice run.
Two things that absolutely suck on the E63:
1. There is no way around the 6200RPM in first. Even in manual mode, the car shuts down the gas at 6200RPM and then lunges back to 7000RPM's. It feels just like ESP interfering. IT SUCKS, I PAID FOR 7000RPM's IN ALL GEARS NOT JUST 2-6!!!
2. When running in dyno mode, the car automatically starts in second gear (unless you manually shift it down with the paddles). Nothing like getting a decent launch and then having the car downshift at 3000rpms to first.
Lesson learned: both of these methods result in low 13's.
Seems like E55's are both easier and more fun...Mmmm...
My best run was my second to last run (out of 4 total):
RT .232
60' 1.969
MPH 115
1/4 12.6
I'll let the other guys post their numbers, they were slighty better, with the best being the stock E55 that did 12.4. It was another nice run.
Two things that absolutely suck on the E63:
1. There is no way around the 6200RPM in first. Even in manual mode, the car shuts down the gas at 6200RPM and then lunges back to 7000RPM's. It feels just like ESP interfering. IT SUCKS, I PAID FOR 7000RPM's IN ALL GEARS NOT JUST 2-6!!!
2. When running in dyno mode, the car automatically starts in second gear (unless you manually shift it down with the paddles). Nothing like getting a decent launch and then having the car downshift at 3000rpms to first.
Lesson learned: both of these methods result in low 13's.
Seems like E55's are both easier and more fun...Mmmm...
Car should never start in SECOND in DYNO mode, Did you mean D/S?
Your software(ECU)(TCU) needs to be flashed. Car should go to 7-7200 in first especially in DYNO mode which shuts down ESP and ABS etc..
I think from the way you describe your run your car was in DRIVE/COMFORT vs. DRIVE/SPORT and it certainly was not in DYNO mode. If it was you need to have the dealer flash your ECU with the latest software. Car should go to redline and beyond in dyno mode and shift around 7k in all gears not 6200. That crippled your car.
12.6@115 is great considering your transmission was not utilized properly and or is in need of fixing.
09-11-2008, 12:53 PM
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Lightweight Mod......
Per math, it comes in like .075 of s second, almost a full second......
It's all good. Keeps me young. I think I saw one guy older than me last night. Love this shiet!!!!!!
09-11-2008, 08:07 PM
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Sorry guys, been away from my computer all day... Great meeting you, Dan! Roland, sorry I missed you, but I cut out at the 8 oclock break after the track had deteriorated beyond recognition... I can't believe you ran an 11.6 - great time with that prep!
Weird night. First run, revved to 1200, off the brake roll onto the gas, and the track is sooo sticky the car bogs, I run a 12.59 @ 114. The track is still apparently wearing a fair amount of vht from the earlier private track rental session. My buddy in his stock e55 runs a 12.47. By the next run, though, there were so many f-ing cars there the track is rapidly getting looser. The problem is clowns in the waterbox. I know that sounds like a bad circus act, and in a way it is. Here is the scenario- guy in front of you drives straight through the box in his eagle gatorback equipped 1985 mustang gt, does a half *ssed burnout, drips all over the track, runs a 15.2. Thoroughly messes up the track, and my 1000 Rpm launch results in wheelspin for the first 200 feet. a few things that are disconcerting to my as a 63er - My buddy's stock e55 has 2.07 60ft vs. my 1.97, he cuts a worse light, and his quarter is .12 quicker with a higher trap. That sounds to me like he is putting down more horsepower, right?
About the private track rental... it is way better and the track is way better prepped. Three caveats - 1. you have to call ahead to reserve a spot. 2. they do not let you race side by side. 3. With street tires they would not let me run in the right lane (the heavily VHT prepped lane), you may want to check if drag radials qualify for the right lane. If not, the left lane is no peach.
Weird night. First run, revved to 1200, off the brake roll onto the gas, and the track is sooo sticky the car bogs, I run a 12.59 @ 114. The track is still apparently wearing a fair amount of vht from the earlier private track rental session. My buddy in his stock e55 runs a 12.47. By the next run, though, there were so many f-ing cars there the track is rapidly getting looser. The problem is clowns in the waterbox. I know that sounds like a bad circus act, and in a way it is. Here is the scenario- guy in front of you drives straight through the box in his eagle gatorback equipped 1985 mustang gt, does a half *ssed burnout, drips all over the track, runs a 15.2. Thoroughly messes up the track, and my 1000 Rpm launch results in wheelspin for the first 200 feet. a few things that are disconcerting to my as a 63er - My buddy's stock e55 has 2.07 60ft vs. my 1.97, he cuts a worse light, and his quarter is .12 quicker with a higher trap. That sounds to me like he is putting down more horsepower, right?
About the private track rental... it is way better and the track is way better prepped. Three caveats - 1. you have to call ahead to reserve a spot. 2. they do not let you race side by side. 3. With street tires they would not let me run in the right lane (the heavily VHT prepped lane), you may want to check if drag radials qualify for the right lane. If not, the left lane is no peach.
09-12-2008, 10:39 AM
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Hey Roland,
Sorry to hear about the conditions. Glad I didn't make the 5 hour drive on this one!
For the rental, I am good right now for the following Wednesdays - 10/8, 10/15 and 10/29. Let's put this together and get some real times!
Sorry to hear about the conditions. Glad I didn't make the 5 hour drive on this one!
For the rental, I am good right now for the following Wednesdays - 10/8, 10/15 and 10/29. Let's put this together and get some real times!
09-12-2008, 10:49 AM
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Sorry guys, been away from my computer all day... Great meeting you, Dan! Roland, sorry I missed you, but I cut out at the 8 oclock break after the track had deteriorated beyond recognition... I can't believe you ran an 11.6 - great time with that prep!
Weird night. First run, revved to 1200, off the brake roll onto the gas, and the track is sooo sticky the car bogs, I run a 12.59 @ 114. The track is still apparently wearing a fair amount of vht from the earlier private track rental session. My buddy in his stock e55 runs a 12.47. By the next run, though, there were so many f-ing cars there the track is rapidly getting looser. The problem is clowns in the waterbox. I know that sounds like a bad circus act, and in a way it is. Here is the scenario- guy in front of you drives straight through the box in his eagle gatorback equipped 1985 mustang gt, does a half *ssed burnout, drips all over the track, runs a 15.2. Thoroughly messes up the track, and my 1000 Rpm launch results in wheelspin for the first 200 feet. a few things that are disconcerting to my as a 63er - My buddy's stock e55 has 2.07 60ft vs. my 1.97, he cuts a worse light, and his quarter is .12 quicker with a higher trap. That sounds to me like he is putting down more horsepower, right?
About the private track rental... it is way better and the track is way better prepped. Three caveats - 1. you have to call ahead to reserve a spot. 2. they do not let you race side by side. 3. With street tires they would not let me run in the right lane (the heavily VHT prepped lane), you may want to check if drag radials qualify for the right lane. If not, the left lane is no peach.
Weird night. First run, revved to 1200, off the brake roll onto the gas, and the track is sooo sticky the car bogs, I run a 12.59 @ 114. The track is still apparently wearing a fair amount of vht from the earlier private track rental session. My buddy in his stock e55 runs a 12.47. By the next run, though, there were so many f-ing cars there the track is rapidly getting looser. The problem is clowns in the waterbox. I know that sounds like a bad circus act, and in a way it is. Here is the scenario- guy in front of you drives straight through the box in his eagle gatorback equipped 1985 mustang gt, does a half *ssed burnout, drips all over the track, runs a 15.2. Thoroughly messes up the track, and my 1000 Rpm launch results in wheelspin for the first 200 feet. a few things that are disconcerting to my as a 63er - My buddy's stock e55 has 2.07 60ft vs. my 1.97, he cuts a worse light, and his quarter is .12 quicker with a higher trap. That sounds to me like he is putting down more horsepower, right?
About the private track rental... it is way better and the track is way better prepped. Three caveats - 1. you have to call ahead to reserve a spot. 2. they do not let you race side by side. 3. With street tires they would not let me run in the right lane (the heavily VHT prepped lane), you may want to check if drag radials qualify for the right lane. If not, the left lane is no peach.
09-12-2008, 01:17 PM
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I agree, let's go for some EXCEPTIONAL PERSONAL best times. Call me or PM and we can work out the details. We got to go one of the later Wed. in October. Too bad we have no reliable way of getting weather conditions that far in advance. We are going to have at best a weeks notice but that should work.
Take care bro.......
09-12-2008, 01:18 PM
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Dan, don't think twice, just join us.....
The track prep is worth every penny..........
09-12-2008, 01:35 PM
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Sorry guys, been away from my computer all day... Great meeting you, Dan! Roland, sorry I missed you, but I cut out at the 8 oclock break after the track had deteriorated beyond recognition... I can't believe you ran an 11.6 - great time with that prep!
Weird night. First run, revved to 1200, off the brake roll onto the gas, and the track is sooo sticky the car bogs, I run a 12.59 @ 114. The track is still apparently wearing a fair amount of vht from the earlier private track rental session. My buddy in his stock e55 runs a 12.47. By the next run, though, there were so many f-ing cars there the track is rapidly getting looser. The problem is clowns in the waterbox. I know that sounds like a bad circus act, and in a way it is. Here is the scenario- guy in front of you drives straight through the box in his eagle gatorback equipped 1985 mustang gt, does a half *ssed burnout, drips all over the track, runs a 15.2. Thoroughly messes up the track, and my 1000 Rpm launch results in wheelspin for the first 200 feet. a few things that are disconcerting to my as a 63er - My buddy's stock e55 has 2.07 60ft vs. my 1.97, he cuts a worse light, and his quarter is .12 quicker with a higher trap. That sounds to me like he is putting down more horsepower, right?
About the private track rental... it is way better and the track is way better prepped. Three caveats - 1. you have to call ahead to reserve a spot. 2. they do not let you race side by side. 3. With street tires they would not let me run in the right lane (the heavily VHT prepped lane), you may want to check if drag radials qualify for the right lane. If not, the left lane is no peach.
Weird night. First run, revved to 1200, off the brake roll onto the gas, and the track is sooo sticky the car bogs, I run a 12.59 @ 114. The track is still apparently wearing a fair amount of vht from the earlier private track rental session. My buddy in his stock e55 runs a 12.47. By the next run, though, there were so many f-ing cars there the track is rapidly getting looser. The problem is clowns in the waterbox. I know that sounds like a bad circus act, and in a way it is. Here is the scenario- guy in front of you drives straight through the box in his eagle gatorback equipped 1985 mustang gt, does a half *ssed burnout, drips all over the track, runs a 15.2. Thoroughly messes up the track, and my 1000 Rpm launch results in wheelspin for the first 200 feet. a few things that are disconcerting to my as a 63er - My buddy's stock e55 has 2.07 60ft vs. my 1.97, he cuts a worse light, and his quarter is .12 quicker with a higher trap. That sounds to me like he is putting down more horsepower, right?
About the private track rental... it is way better and the track is way better prepped. Three caveats - 1. you have to call ahead to reserve a spot. 2. they do not let you race side by side. 3. With street tires they would not let me run in the right lane (the heavily VHT prepped lane), you may want to check if drag radials qualify for the right lane. If not, the left lane is no peach.
This depends...
Were you side by side?
What time were the runs, your best vs. his?
I can answer you after you provide more detail.
Also are you phatter than he? I bet your car weighs MORE as well.
Does his 55 have Pano?
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Two things that absolutely suck on the E63:
1. There is no way around the 6200RPM in first. Even in manual mode, the car shuts down the gas at 6200RPM and then lunges back to 7000RPM's. It feels just like ESP interfering. IT SUCKS, I PAID FOR 7000RPM's IN ALL GEARS NOT JUST 2-6!!!
2. When running in dyno mode, the car automatically starts in second gear (unless you manually shift it down with the paddles). Nothing like getting a decent launch and then having the car downshift at 3000rpms to first.
Lesson learned: both of these methods result in low 13's.
Seems like E55's are both easier and more fun...Mmmm...
1. There is no way around the 6200RPM in first. Even in manual mode, the car shuts down the gas at 6200RPM and then lunges back to 7000RPM's. It feels just like ESP interfering. IT SUCKS, I PAID FOR 7000RPM's IN ALL GEARS NOT JUST 2-6!!!
2. When running in dyno mode, the car automatically starts in second gear (unless you manually shift it down with the paddles). Nothing like getting a decent launch and then having the car downshift at 3000rpms to first.
Lesson learned: both of these methods result in low 13's.
Seems like E55's are both easier and more fun...Mmmm...
And like Juicee mentioned, if you put the car in dyno mode from sport, then it should always start in 1st gear; mine does, and I've seen at least a dozen 63s that do the same
09-12-2008, 02:30 PM
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I'll keep an eye on the weather and firm up my wingman.
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I beg your pardon... I am hardly fat, but at 6' 7" at 225, I do weigh 20 lbs more than he does. We ran the same lane, him first, me next. I have Pano, he does not, true, but he ran a full tank and I ran less than half a tank.
09-13-2008, 08:13 AM
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Thanks bro..Dam you are a big one.
why on earth would you run your car on F?
The weight is the only difference.
Your Pano E63 with you in it and a half tank 4475 Lbs
Buddies E55 (non pano) with driver and a full tank 4285 lbs
.19 should be the difference between the two cars but your 60 ft was superior which allowed you to make up a bit in ET.
This same result would occur E55 pano vs E55 non pano, that roof is 175 lbs heavier than non.
As far as the fuel, you ran a 12.59 vs a 12.39 due to the weight of the fuel. You need to run em just under 1/4 tank. (5 gallons is plenty)
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Thanks bro..Dam you are a big one.
why on earth would you run your car on F?
The weight is the only difference.
Your Pano E63 with you in it and a half tank 4475 Lbs
Buddies E55 (non pano) with driver and a full tank 4285 lbs
.19 should be the difference between the two cars but your 60 ft was superior which allowed you to make up a bit in ET.
This same result would occur E55 pano vs E55 non pano, that roof is 175 lbs heavier than non.
As far as the fuel, you ran a 12.59 vs a 12.39 due to the weight of the fuel. You need to run em just under 1/4 tank. (5 gallons is plenty)
why on earth would you run your car on F?
The weight is the only difference.
Your Pano E63 with you in it and a half tank 4475 Lbs
Buddies E55 (non pano) with driver and a full tank 4285 lbs
.19 should be the difference between the two cars but your 60 ft was superior which allowed you to make up a bit in ET.
This same result would occur E55 pano vs E55 non pano, that roof is 175 lbs heavier than non.
As far as the fuel, you ran a 12.59 vs a 12.39 due to the weight of the fuel. You need to run em just under 1/4 tank. (5 gallons is plenty)
09-13-2008, 04:14 PM
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This was only his second time to the track with his E55, and we spent some time arguing about the benefit of the weight of fuel over the rear of the car on the launch vs. the added weight through the rest of the run... He figured that he had such a hard time hooking up his first time, he'd try the full tank and see what happened. Thanks for the calculations, though, I'll pass them along. And maybe I'll take off my pano and tape a garbage bag to my roof... that'll look hot!
LOL!!
You simply should empty your trunk, and try to do the runs with near equal fuel.
I would be interested in seeing the slips to see the splits for both cars as well as compare the two E63's that ran.
My car modded at 4120 lbs vs 4450 lbs was .4 quicker and 3 mph faster.
My car modded at 4450 lbs was about as fast as a stock E 55 or 63 but once the weight was shed it became equal to a stage 1- stage 2 55.
You guys as usual impress me by heading out and tracking the luxo sedans!
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LOL!!
You simply should empty your trunk, and try to do the runs with near equal fuel.
I would be interested in seeing the slips to see the splits for both cars as well as compare the two E63's that ran.
My car modded at 4120 lbs vs 4450 lbs was .4 quicker and 3 mph faster.
My car modded at 4450 lbs was about as fast as a stock E 55 or 63 but once the weight was shed it became equal to a stage 1- stage 2 55.
You guys as usual impress me by heading out and tracking the luxo sedans!
You simply should empty your trunk, and try to do the runs with near equal fuel.
I would be interested in seeing the slips to see the splits for both cars as well as compare the two E63's that ran.
My car modded at 4120 lbs vs 4450 lbs was .4 quicker and 3 mph faster.
My car modded at 4450 lbs was about as fast as a stock E 55 or 63 but once the weight was shed it became equal to a stage 1- stage 2 55.
You guys as usual impress me by heading out and tracking the luxo sedans!
09-13-2008, 09:27 PM
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I know it doesn't seem like much, but it works. I've witnessed it at the track many times. This is what he did:
- Removed spare, pump, tools, and whatever else that was in the trunk (not sure how much this saved, but I'd guess 40 lbs).
- Swapped the 60 lbs battery with 5 lbs racing battery.
- Swapped AMG rims with RennTech's Champion rims (reduced 24 lbs per wheel - rotational weight).
- Use 1/8th tank of gas.
- Not sure what else
- Removed spare, pump, tools, and whatever else that was in the trunk
(not sure how much this saved, but I'd guess 40 lbs).- Swapped the 60 lbs battery with 5 lbs racing battery.
- Swapped AMG rims with RennTech's Champion rims (reduced 24 lbs per wheel - rotational weight).
- Use 1/8th tank of gas.
- Not sure what else
09-14-2008, 01:41 AM
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I know it doesn't seem like much, but it works. I've witnessed it at the track many times. This is what he did:
- Removed spare, pump, tools, and whatever else that was in the trunk (not sure how much this saved, but I'd guess 40 lbs).
- Swapped the 60 lbs battery with 5 lbs racing battery.
- Swapped AMG rims with RennTech's Champion rims (reduced 24 lbs per wheel - rotational weight).
- Use 1/8th tank of gas.
- Not sure what else
- Removed spare, pump, tools, and whatever else that was in the trunk
(not sure how much this saved, but I'd guess 40 lbs).- Swapped the 60 lbs battery with 5 lbs racing battery.
- Swapped AMG rims with RennTech's Champion rims (reduced 24 lbs per wheel - rotational weight).
- Use 1/8th tank of gas.
- Not sure what else
Sorry guys it was 230
4350 to 4120.
Spare= 39
Tools= 11 lb
battery 62 lb
mats and covers, 8 lb
Pulley 1 lb
lug nuts 3 lb
wheels 100
fluids 7
Car picked up 3-4/10th and 2-3 mph
12.70 to 12.30's 111-114
The 330 foot DA got her to 12.1 @116.6
The battery and spare is 100 lbs.........this is easily worth .15 wheels really are the best mod .
