Ah dont feel bad VRP went through some of the same doubts and questioning. Keep on tuning and let your results speak for themselves.

Cool! I will check it out

I'm quoting my own reply since, regardless of how many times MHP has posted since I posed this question on the previous page (I count 10 replies), he keeps dodging the questions.

Doesn't make sense, since you're so cocky about everything why you wouldn't answer?

Well Shrinkage would only occur if you are inexperienced and dont know what you're doing. Which u would know if you knew what you were talking ab.
I think i see a pattern devolping here.

Refer to rule 1.

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I appreciate your response, there's no benefit to answering point by point.

I do understand bad air because my best run (12.06 at 116) corrects to 11.7 at 119 in a 4,650lb CL55.

I'm glad you will keep after it, that can only help all of us. I look forward to your record run when "correction" is not a factor.

Oh there's a way my friend! As a matter of fact, it's already been done! You do realize you just described some of the advantages of the M5/M6?!?

Don't worry Marcus, I blip the throttle for my (AMG) homies every now and then.

Interesting comment.

With all do respect Andy,

Regardless of your true knowledge--Your posts are making you appear like a boastful kid and really unprofessional.

Around here we have a saying....

"Let the car do the talking."

here's what I do if Im you.

1.Call rock(or some unbiased known board member)
2.Reset your car to base MB tune.
3.Record several video's of rock delmolishing ur car.
4.Swap out ecu tunes
5.Rerun the race on video.
6.Rent a track to yourself(whats another $3000 at this point)
7.Run with stock ecu 10 times on video
8.Swap ECU's and run 100000 times--until you get BEST possible ET/mph.
9.Make a nice video containing all these runs.
10.Post this video and "LET THE CAR DO THE TALKING"


I personally appreciate your enthusiasm----but all this--we're testing...wait till I run....the run sucked because a,b,c,....wait till I run car A,b,c next week....let me breakdown my own dyno...ect... It all makes you seem unprofessional.

I know ur excited---as is everyone---but get it all together then present. Peice meal sucks.

He's dodging the question because he cant answer it! he simply doesnt know about the durability, if you want an answer you should talk to dave casper the guy doing the tuning he should have a better idea of what will actually happen long term.

check out BGchrysler.com

andy why does MB tcm tuning cost so much more than chrysler they are the same trans and same tcm why the price difference?

We've looked over pretty much everyone's tunes so far, LOL, it's not like we build off them. I think you can figure out why.

What question have I dodged??

We've been over this before...First, it's Dave Kasper and although you're free to call him you aren't going to get anywhere trying to get anymore info than I post on this site directly from him. The only way to get Dave's tuning for MBs is through MHP, end of story.
The PCM/TCMs (even NAG1 is different from the WA580 it was based off of) for Chryco products are not even close to being the same as those used in MBs/AMGs. Your lack of knowledge is really shining through by making such an ignorant comment.
We've never lost a motor, including builds over 1700rwhp, and don't plan on it anytime soon. So I'm not sure what kinds of durability questions you have?

Because I didn't see the post before... I'm also not cocky, I'm confident, which happens when you have a quality product.

Because the same driveline is used in the E63s?

Do you even own a 63 variant or are you just here to be a PITA? I'm looking for an E63 example right now, guess what, he'll be running the same tune I am right now (with V2 ECU improvements) and he'll at least make the same power (actually more due to the chance that their motor is actually broken in) or more (IMO 440rw).
The stock dyno of the Renntech tuned C63 is so obviously manipulated it's pathetic. Find another C63 that dyno'd that low on a DJ SAE, the other 3 dynos (besides mine which laid down 373-376rw SAE stock) are all around 375rwhp SAE. If you don't realize that some tuners/shops often post low numbers pretune/part install to make themselves look better I don't know what to tell you.
Bring on a Renntech, Kleeman, Brabus tuned car and we can settle this at the strip, on the road, wherever. I'll put our tuning up against anyone else's anytime. Do you see any of them track testing their tuning? EXACTLY.
We're also the only shop to dyno in the correct gear (as far as C63s go) which makes our gains even more impressive.

What the hell are you talking about reg. longterm durability? Do you really think we're going to kick out a product that causes drivetrains to self destruct? There's no quicker way for an entity to put themselves out of business than by doing so.
The fact that no one else can tune a TCU has nothing to do with reliability. As I've already said countless times, we can make more power than other tuners MORE safely because we link the ECU/TCUs.
It's simple math, if they could do it they would, end of story.

LMAO. Nothing could be farther from the truth. You'll hear more about how refined the part throttle and WOT performance is (MUCH improved over stock) from other mbworld members in the next few days when they drive my car. I'm sorry but that was quite a stupid statement. The quarter mile is simply one measuring stick, and results were asked for by potential customers. It's unbelievable to me that you can sit here and attempt to spin the fact that we've posted quarter mile results--are actually testing what we sell.

For the record I never read over this post before (sorry I'm human) and to be honest I've already covered all your questions previously.

Thanks

Tell you what, when you have as much time and $ invested into this as we do you can call your own shots. The best part will be when you actually give people everything they ask for, they'll still find something to complain about.

ps--despite all the "excuses" the car did do the talking and has continued to do so by making more power on the dyno, running with cars that should have walked it, and running quicker/faster than any other C63 in the world that I know of. Not to mention it's just with tuning/filters.

Thanks

This has been my main question. Are you trying to do what others are trying to avoid? Ie. raking mb owners over the coals cause our cars cost more... pathetic. Ill stay stock than let this puke take me for 6K.

Thanks

..........again if you look at all of the guys bashing Andy........strange,,,,they all run "55's".........guys,,,this is unreal....Andy comes in here confident on what he has,,,he proves it,,,,and you still say it ain't so....again these are mods for the "63" enignes NOT the "55" engines....so why do "55" guys come on here to bash what he is doing for us!! We are supposed to be a group of guys that have something in common,,,and yet some of us grill him as to what he is doing, hoping he might slip up and say something we "know" is not true. Give the guy some slack!!!

First of all...not all 55ers have bashed him. Second...he has shown some data and hasn't proven anything YET...time will tell and more drag/dyno/real world customer install data is needed before you can say such an absolute statement as "he proves it".

I appreciate your enthusiasm but ease up on trying to shove this down our throats like we are too ignorant to see the second coming...I hope MHP succeeds (i.e. my 55 could be quicker/faster) but like a lot of other "55ers" I'm just being patient and cautious, especially for $6000 or $3-4 just for TCU. I've already been through the blown engine route so I have to be cautious.

Just my .02.

This Puke? Now he's a puke (whtvr the hell that is) because he has a product, that produces results, and wants to charge a certain amount of money for it???
This is amazing. Do any of you know how much he has spent on R&D - how much he has spent on the equipment or the computers to read these ECU's? How much time he has invested in this? HOw much he Pays Dave to do this?
Who are any of you to decide for him, how much he should charge? Go buy your wife a Chanel bag see if you find one for less than 3k. Is that worth it?
But ... if your wife wants a Chanel bag well thats how much it costs. If you deem its to expensive you dont buy it. Simple.
It would stand to reason by simple logic that the reason it costs more to tune a ECU/TCU from MB than Chrysler would be because the core market for such a tune is alot less for MB's than for Chryslers. So if you invested say 100k in this and the potential number of customers is perhaps 1% of all 63 owners how many could you possibly sell?
Now apply that same 1% to Chryslers the numbers would undoubtedly be higher because there are more Chryslers made than 63 MB's.
The same goes for Headers and everything else. Evosport charges 12k for the full exhaust. YOU can buy a full exhaust for a Mustang for probably 2k. (just guessing) I don't hear anyone screamin ab Evosport and their prices or any of the other tuners.
This is a free market fellas - if you don't like what he has to offer than dont buy it and shut the hell up already. This is the most ridiculous thread ever on this board and thats saying something. Some of you just won't let this go and one more thing if Andy is as tireless at tuning as he is at answering all these absurd attacks - he will eventually be the best tuner in the world.

I'm sure Marcus blips his brake lights right back in appreciation (for those M5/M6 "homies" close enough to see them).

Enjoy the stocker.

I'm not saying we don't have more to prove at this point but I think we've laid a solid foundation so far, enough to eliminate doubt from a good number of members minds, and on this forum that's saying a lot
If there's a quicker/faster C63 out there right now, I'm not aware of it. I also don't know of anyone that's made as much power with just tuning/filters.

One day we're all going to look back on this and laugh.

The BDD and insomnia works in my favor sometimes.

Just keep the data coming and all should work itself out......Just don't take any of this stuff personally even if it does get personal...staying above it will go a long way to getting MORE customers. Your current peanut gallery is actually hurting you more than helping.

I do want you to succeed because competition in a free market will only breed more and better options for everybody.

Just to add for comparison sake

My car ran nearly identical numbers . I have a bunch of 12.1X@116 that correct to 12.0 @ 117.4-117.5. My car was beaten easily by chiromikey's E55.

I think we should offer mikey and Andy a bit more RESPECT. I realize they are both going at it but it is miguided wasted energy.

Sorry guys I say stick to facts and mutual respect, anything other than that is childs play.


Andy I think our cars heads up with yer current V1 tune would be door to door, and a true heads up masterpiece. kinda like my races with little rickey